Why the Constitution is now null and void

[ZiprHead]

...I'm not necessarily 100% in the MAGA camp but I can at least see some benefit to the reduction of the federal government. It is painful today but may give this country life tomorrow so that we can compete with China again.

Everyone would like to see parts of the government that they don't like disappear and keep the parts that they do like. MAGAs want to keep the parts that impose their ideals on those who don't share them and defund projects that they feel they get no benefit from. Most aren't looking to reduce the Pentagon budget, and that is why Musk is trying to make deep cuts in social programs and almost none in the bloated military budget. He'll fire humanitarian aid workers but keep the huge budgets that fund the industries making himself wealthy. You are deluding yourself to think that they are really going to shrink the government. That is just a pretense to get rid of the parts that conservatives have long wanted to get rid of but could not convince others to agree to--primarily all of the social programs that have been put into place by Democrats since the FDR administration. It is not going over well with the public, but there is little anyone seems to be able to do about it in the short term. Trump and his gang of plutocrats are pulling off a coup in broad daylight.

I would be happy if they made large cuts to the military and closed down the useless bases too. And you are correct about pet projects for special interests....on either side But if people want something for nothing (say Lindsey Graham or Mitch McConnel) at least those kind of projects should be paid for by their own local or state governments so that the people nearest to the project are the same people who benefit from that project. We should be able to agree that the federal government should not be in the business for senator pet projects no matter who wants them. I pledge that when the Democrats get in next time they can and should get rid of all the Republican pet projects in next election cycle. And I for one will have no problem with that whatsoever even if George Soros does it.

Let the federal government get smaller so that it can be solvent and still carry out federal programs that are not pet projects. Let the federal government get smaller so that the middle class (not just the uber wealthy) can pay less federal tax. I want less from the federal government and to pay less too.

You should not be objecting to Musk getting rid of a charity pet program that gives away money to the rest of the world. A program that does not even directly benefit our own country. The federal government is nearly bankrupt and not in a position for a charity pet program right now. Let Bill Gates keep it going for now since he is able to afford it.

You seem to be very keen on lowering the budget deficit. How about instead of cutting off aid to the poor and middle class, how about we tax the billionaires? Musk gave 288 million to Trump's campaign.

 

[ZiprHead]

BTW, another Russian celebrity just "jumped" from his tenth floor apartment building.

Yes, Putin has nothing better to do than go around and push celebrities off the buildings

No one said Putin personally did it. "Push him out of a window" takes all of about a second and a half to say. I think Putin could squeeze that into his busy day.

You need to see a doctor.

You need to grow a spine and tell Putin to fuck of. Oh, you would be killed for doing so???

 

[barbos]

BTW, another Russian celebrity just "jumped" from his tenth floor apartment building.

Yes, Putin has nothing better to do than go around and push celebrities off the buildings

No one said Putin personally did it. "Push him out of a window" takes all of about a second and a half to say. I think Putin could squeeze that into his busy day.

You need to see a doctor.

You need to grow a spine and tell Putin to fuck of. Oh, you would be killed for doing so???

No, it's you.

 

[ZiprHead]

How about this....for decades I heard "it's not a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. We ow trillions and the interest on that debt is approaching a trillion. SO....how about we give it two years before we have any additional talk about cutting taxes. Let's SEE the debt drop. Use the savings to pay the debt, not to cover the tax cut. Bring it down first and THEN reward the upper class with a tax cut. THen...in THAT tax cut, require that the debt NOT increase. If it goes up, even a little bit that first year after a cut - revoke it until lawmakers can learn to spend within their means.

I agree with you. This is not yet the time for a tax cut.

How about something really radical? Tax the hell out of billionaires.

 

[Patooka]

How about this....for decades I heard "it's not a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. We ow trillions and the interest on that debt is approaching a trillion. SO....how about we give it two years before we have any additional talk about cutting taxes. Let's SEE the debt drop. Use the savings to pay the debt, not to cover the tax cut. Bring it down first and THEN reward the upper class with a tax cut. THen...in THAT tax cut, require that the debt NOT increase. If it goes up, even a little bit that first year after a cut - revoke it until lawmakers can learn to spend within their means.

I agree with you. This is not yet the time for a tax cut.

How about something really radical? Tax the hell out of billionaires.

Or maybe, just maybe only tax billionaires their fair share. That alone would significantly increase revenue.

 

[ZiprHead]

BTW, another Russian celebrity just "jumped" from his tenth floor apartment building.

Yes, Putin has nothing better to do than go around and push celebrities off the buildings

No one said Putin personally did it. "Push him out of a window" takes all of about a second and a half to say. I think Putin could squeeze that into his busy day.

You need to see a doctor.

You need to grow a spine and tell Putin to fuck of. Oh, you would be killed for doing so???

No, it's you.

I would be killed if I told Trump to fuck off???

Donald Trump. Fuck off! And take that bitch of a wife along with you.

Oh, look. I'm still here and will be for a very long time.

Are you willing to do the same? C'mon, Babs. Put your life where your mouth is.

There's been huge protest demonstrations all across the country here against Trump and Musk. As far as I know, no one has even been arrested, let alone killed.

I remember when this stupid war was started by Putin people protesting in Russia were immediately arrested and rushed off to police vans. So take your stupid "No, it's you." and flush it. Oh, you can't cuz most of your country still uses outhouses? They'll work too.

 

[Elixir]

I can assure you that few people have the slightest inkling of how difficult it is to improve the efficiency of a supply chain, or of a logistics operation. Or even to prevent the existing level of efficiency from degrading due to external influences.

But if someone did have those skills I would believe Musk would be having a pretty decent resume at business efficiency management.

In this case though (and as Musk himself tweeted) we aren't talking about a worm in the apple that needs to be removed. We are talking about a bowl of worms that is hopelessly beyond any repair or redemption.

You appear to know nothing. What experience or qualifications do you have that make you competent to pass these judgements on Musk's ability?

Trump said.
Gospel TROOF!

Rumpsuckers are stupid on average, but their outstanding and defining quality is not stupidity, but intellectual sloth.

 

[TomC]

Or maybe, just maybe only tax billionaires their fair share. That alone would significantly increase revenue

I believe that it was billionaire Warren Buffett who rather famously pointed out that his effective tax rate was a small fraction of his secretary's.
Tom

 

[abaddon]

Taxing the rich a little bit wouldn't be half enough.

"Fair share" taxing won't prevent billionaires trying to take over the country (and eventually the world). If anyone doesn't see that's what Musk is attempting to do, you've been successfully distracted by the culture war stuff. They're racist misogynists too but far and away the worst of it is that the billionaires want to FULLY own everything and everybody. Musk wants to be the king of the billionaire/trillionaire oligarchs. And everyone else will be their serfs (more-so than we were already).

 

[barbos]

Or maybe, just maybe only tax billionaires their fair share. That alone would significantly increase revenue

I believe that it was billionaire Warren Buffett who rather famously pointed out that his effective tax rate was a small fraction of his secretary's.
Tom

We have been over this, Warren Buffett is an idiot-savant bean counter, who does not understand anything else.

 

[barbos]

USAID was paying ...... Liz Cheney, BBC, Politico.

 

[unapologetic]

owes his freedom and probably his life, to the dictator of the world’s worst shithole.

Who dat? Kim Jong Un?
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Sorry, there are 12 pages of this thread since I was here last. I apologize for giving up after only reading the first 6.

What Democrats did felt more like a banana republic then the US.

Because it was already too late. The Repugs did already 'Make America Great Again' a banana republic.

I agree. Russia does it too. China does it. All major countries try to expand their influence. So... ?

First, Russia does not do that to any comparable degree. Second. Russia started doing it very recently looking at what you were doing.

Should we take your word for that? You being so much a part of Russia's efforts. Or is this more of your gaslighting.

Instead they acquiesce to an unelected, non-governmental civilian with massive economic and legal conflicts to simply storm the headquarters and kick out all the employees.

It is clumsy, yes. But is it fundamentally wrong?

YES! Fundamentally wrong.

I agree. Russia does it too. China does it. All major countries try to expand their influence. So... ?

First, Russia does not do that to any comparable degree.

I agree. They do it far more and more clandestinely. Russian troll farms are quite active in the US social media.

Second. Russia started doing it very recently looking at what you were doing.

You've been inserting yourselves in our elections through social media for many years.

A nation that prints its own money cannot go bankrupt.

Tell that to Zimbabwe.

If even half of what they say is true, USAID is about the most evil criminal organization I have ever heard of. Taking this CIA front down will not only benefit US citizens but the rest of the world.

A program that does not even directly benefit your own country.

Out of one side of your mouth you say it's a CIA front. Out of the other you say it doesn't benefit us.
You are wrong. Even if I mistrust the CIA. The USAID does work for our interests.

The ignorance continues to overwhelm. A primary purpose of USAID was NOT to help struggling foreigners but to ENHANCE American prestige and build friendships by displaying humanitarian and altruistic values. It is was money very well spent for U.S. interests.

Musk gave 288 million to Trump's campaign.

You have to admit that it was a more efficient use of the money than letting the IRS disburse it. NOT better ... efficient (but evil).

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Good night.

 

[barbos]

Should we take your word for that? You being so much a part of Russia's efforts. Or is this more of your gaslighting.

Well, we know for a fact that CIA has been pushing stories in "independent" Media since forever.
I would not be surprised if USAID being CIA outfit did the same.
I mean we know they paid 90% of Ukronazi-media, and we know BBC were copy-pasting them like crazy, so is it a stretch that they were paid to do that?

 

[barbos]

YES! Fundamentally wrong.

Should we take your word for that? You being so much a part of neocon's efforts. Or is this more of your gaslighting?

 

[barbos]

You are wrong. Even if I mistrust the CIA. The USAID does work for our interests.

Are you sure support of terrorists is in your interests?

 

[ZiprHead]

Rumpsuckers are stupid on average, but their outstanding and defining quality is not stupidity, but intellectual sloth.

Spent some time with one of my bro-in-laws yesterday who voted for Trump. He had no idea of what was going on with Trump and Musk.

 

[Elixir]

Spent some time with one of my bro-in-laws yesterday who voted for Trump. He had no idea of what was going on with Trump and Musk.

The RW bubble is a safe place, where they don’t have to worry about being told scary shit. Having no idea is the foundation of their faith.

 

[Axulus]

I mean we know they paid 90% of Ukronazi-media, and we know BBC were copy-pasting them like crazy, so is it a stretch that they were paid to do that?

"Putin or Putin aligned media says it, I believe it, that settles it."

 

[unapologetic]

I mean we know they paid 90% of Ukronazi-media, and we know BBC were copy-pasting them like crazy,

No we don't know that. We only know you keep saying it. One of Rump's tricks. Say an opinion loud enough and long enough, and people will believe it.

Rumpsuckers are stupid on average, but their outstanding and defining quality is not stupidity, but intellectual sloth.

Spent some time with one of my bro-in-laws yesterday who voted for Trump. He had no idea of what was going on with Trump and Musk.

My sister and bro-in-law is like that too. It's aggravating.

 

[Elixir]

Mister Musky needs to be subpoenaed by Congress like, yesterday.
I don't know why Dems aren't making more noise.