How is it abusing science to refer to three mitochondrial DNA lineages L1 L2 L3 and speculate that this matches Ham, Shem and Japheth? (Noah's wife isn't recorded as having any other children after the Flood)
Because those three individuals are men, and so none of them could have passed on any mtDNA to anyone, even if they had existed.
I'm sorry, I don't know their wive's names.
I had been thinking about that graph of a mother-to-daughter lineage, with its title, “These were the sons of Noah and through them the world was populated” and I was thinking, I don’t think there is a better example of the meritless and abusive Christian patriarchy than this….
And then you came in with “I don’t know the wives names.”
Seriously.
You and your source are crowing about the incredible three lines of mtDNA (which, they draw, and you repeat, as all coming from one point, mangling the science,) and you don’t even
know their fucking names.. Because until mtDNA was discovered by humans, you never had any idea that women had any worth in the first place and the (in your story)
mothers of all humanity don’t even deserve any names.
Is there really ANY better example of the meritless and abusive patriarchy of Christianity?
I am genuinely curious if it makes you feel any shame or embarassment about your religion that no one in your religion cared enough about these three women - who, you claim - gave birth to all of humanity (replacing the mtDNA that Noah and his sons had, with their own in all subsequent humanity) to even remember their
names?
I feel that this says a lot about the toxic disregard for women that has endured throughout the writing of the bible, it’s selection of books as canon and the behavior of the Temple, Church and Mosque since its inception.
You are crowing about their contribution of mtDNA to the world, and instead of caring about them
at all, even by referring to them as “the wives,” you name the men who had not one atom to contribute to the entire chart you show.
I take you accept that mitochondrial DNA can't get passed on by Ham's wife unless she first gets pregnant.
I see that you still “accept” that he’s the important one here.
It could have been any man. She’s the one with the mtDNA. You don’t even know if she
was pregnant, by another man, prior to the flood, or if she lay with a brother, or even the drunken Noah.
And I assume you accept that generally involves someone of the opposite sex.
So pardon me for my unwoke heterosexist view of how we all got here.
It sounds like you are asking us to pardon you for continuing to consider him the important one to talk about
in your story of mtDNA being the evidence for your flood story.
Nope. No pardon if you choose to
continue to consider men the center of a story about mtDNA.
I will pardon your error if you fix it. But right now you have an F, and I’m not changing it to a passing C if you won’t even change your wrong answer. You still have an F. And I predict you will continue to use this graph in your life, never accepting any science that you have learned. That your title will still continue to reference Noah (that drunken bastard) instead of the three heroic women.
And all of that is before expecting you to understand the science flaws of your post including, but not limited to:
- There is no way mtDNA can diverge as much as it has in 6000 years. No. Way.
- There is no way this event that happened in the middle east spawned a branch into Africa. See funinspace’s chart that matches fossil evidence.
- There is no way those three women all had the same mtDNA unless there was an earlier bottleneck
- There is no way that three women could populate the earth without severe recessive allele damage
Your source, and you, are misusing this chart and making major embarassing errors in what it means and doesn’t mean. The chart itself makes major errors in what the science does and doesn’t mean. And the vile disregard for women is a putrid sauce over the whole.
