Woman rapes 14 year old boy, escapes conviction, bemoans she'll be seen as a sex offender anyway

[Metaphor]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ml?ito=push-notification&ci=57497&si=16592767

A mum who was cleared of having sex with a 14-year-old boy has told how she fears she will always be considered a sex offender.

Teah Vincent said she expected to be being shunned at the school gates by other mums – despite walking free from court.

The mum of three had admitted having sex with the teen but said she thought he was over the age of 16.
Teah said: 'I was cleared by the court but there will always be people who see me as a sex offender.
'I can see why people think what happened was wrong, but I did not break any law.'
Teah, 32, burst into tears after a jury at Gloucester Crown Court took just over an hour to find her not guilty of knowingly having under age sex.
She told the trial she believed the boy she had invited into her bedroom was at least 16 years old and was shocked to discover he was only 14.
Teah said she had lost two years of her life waiting for her trial to begin.
Her mum Helena said her daughter had been left devastated by the court case.
Speaking at the family home in Gloucester, she said her daughter was on anti-depressants and had not been able to sleep.

Helena said:' This case has wrecked my daughter and it is going to take a long time to get over.

'She is worried that people will consider her a sex offender even though she was cleared by the court. The jury took a few minutes over an hour to give their verdict.
'It is a great relief, but we are still angry that it came to this.'
Helena said she was so relieved at the verdict that she took a photo of her daughter with a friend outside the court.

This article gives some more details of the encounter.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/03/mom-who-had-sex-with-boy-14-was-angry-he-pretended-to-be-16/

“I don’t deny we had sex,” 32-year-old mother of three Teah Vincent told Gloucester Crown Court on Wednesday of the boy she invited into her home after watching him and a pal play soccer, according to a court report in the Sun.
“I didn’t force him, he happily responded on his own accord,” she told the hearing of the boy who told investigators that she suddenly appeared naked and mounted him when he had just expected to play video games.

“I’m sure he told me he was 16 and I felt he looked much older,” she told the court, referring to the legal age of consent in the UK.

“It didn’t occur to me that he might be underage. He definitely didn’t tell me he was … only 14 before we had sex,” she said, according to the court report.

I do wonder how a jury might have decided if a 32 year old man had invited two 14 year old girls into his home, then took one of them upstairs, stripped off, and mounted her.

 

[TSwizzle]

I do wonder how a jury might have decided if a 32 year old man had invited two 14 year old girls into his home, then took one of them upstairs, stripped off, and mounted her.

It depends on evidence, such as whether the 14 year old girls told the man they were 16 or older when the mounting took place. I just skimmed the link but the crux of the case seems to have been that the boy lied about his age to the woman, I don't think he told her he was only 14.

 

[Politesse]

I do wonder how a jury might have decided if a 32 year old man had invited two 14 year old girls into his home, then took one of them upstairs, stripped off, and mounted her.

It depends on evidence, such as whether the 14 year old girls told the man they were 16 or older when the mounting took place. I just skimmed the link but the crux of the case seems to have been that the boy lied about his age to the woman, I don't think he told her he was only 14.

He may not have, but that hardly absolves her of any guilt; I really feel that the burden of caution has to fall on the adult. And from the boy's description of what happened, it doesn't sound like she was all that committed to establishing consent, either. I certainly have little pity for the damage to her reputation. Luring someone upstairs with video games, then suddenly stripping down, makes a person sound pretty damn predatory even if her actions fall into the zone of technical legality.

 

[TSwizzle]

He may not have, but that hardly absolves her of any guilt;

Maybe but the issue is whether it was proved she knowingly broke the law and committed a crime. It's very difficult to prove in these situations.

I really feel that the burden of caution has to fall on the adult.

If she believed he was 16 or older then it's up to her (and the boy) what happens next.

And from the boy's description of what happened, it doesn't sound like she was all that committed to establishing consent, either. I certainly have little pity for the damage to her reputation. Luring someone upstairs with video games, then suddenly stripping down, makes a person sound pretty damn predatory even if her actions fall into the zone of technical legality.

If indeed it went down that way. These cases are always very difficult.

 

[laughing dog]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ml?ito=push-notification&ci=57497&si=16592767

A mum who was cleared of having sex with a 14-year-old boy has told how she fears she will always be considered a sex offender.

Teah Vincent said she expected to be being shunned at the school gates by other mums – despite walking free from court.

The mum of three had admitted having sex with the teen but said she thought he was over the age of 16.
Teah said: 'I was cleared by the court but there will always be people who see me as a sex offender.
'I can see why people think what happened was wrong, but I did not break any law.'
Teah, 32, burst into tears after a jury at Gloucester Crown Court took just over an hour to find her not guilty of knowingly having under age sex.
She told the trial she believed the boy she had invited into her bedroom was at least 16 years old and was shocked to discover he was only 14.
Teah said she had lost two years of her life waiting for her trial to begin.
Her mum Helena said her daughter had been left devastated by the court case.
Speaking at the family home in Gloucester, she said her daughter was on anti-depressants and had not been able to sleep.

Helena said:' This case has wrecked my daughter and it is going to take a long time to get over.

'She is worried that people will consider her a sex offender even though she was cleared by the court. The jury took a few minutes over an hour to give their verdict.
'It is a great relief, but we are still angry that it came to this.'
Helena said she was so relieved at the verdict that she took a photo of her daughter with a friend outside the court.

This article gives some more details of the encounter.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/03/mom-who-had-sex-with-boy-14-was-angry-he-pretended-to-be-16/

“I don’t deny we had sex,” 32-year-old mother of three Teah Vincent told Gloucester Crown Court on Wednesday of the boy she invited into her home after watching him and a pal play soccer, according to a court report in the Sun.
“I didn’t force him, he happily responded on his own accord,” she told the hearing of the boy who told investigators that she suddenly appeared naked and mounted him when he had just expected to play video games.

“I’m sure he told me he was 16 and I felt he looked much older,” she told the court, referring to the legal age of consent in the UK.

“It didn’t occur to me that he might be underage. He definitely didn’t tell me he was … only 14 before we had sex,” she said, according to the court report.

I do wonder how a jury might have decided if a 32 year old man had invited two 14 year old girls into his home, then took one of them upstairs, stripped off, and mounted her.

First, this woman definitely has at least one screw loss. I am sure she is upset about being viewed as a sex offender but she is one.

Second, the reported victim's story is a little scanty. Unless the boy was naked while playing the video, I don't see how that mounting took place.

As for wondering about the jury, it is quite possible that if the genders are reversed, that an acquittal would occur. All one has to do is Google "Jury acquits rapist of 14 year old girl" to find
ttps://products.kitsapsun.com/archive/2003/07-04/193428_jury_acquits_sailor_accused_of_.html

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171111/frenchman-acquitted-of-raping-11-year-old-schoolgirl

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Sex offender bemoans being considered a sex offender. News at 11.

Meanwhile, if I had a dime for every an adult woman tried to lure me to their home to play video games....??? This was a big problem in the 70s. Teenaged boys being lured with promises of pong.

What I can't find is how this got reported in the first place, which could provide important context on the situation, though in no way negating the actions of the adult.

 

[J842P]

Sex offender bemoans being considered a sex offender. News at 11.

Well, no, she actually isn't a sex-offender. That's sort of the point?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Sex offender bemoans being considered a sex offender. News at 11.

Well, no, she actually isn't a sex-offender. That's sort of the point?

Yes, and OJ Simpson didn't kill his ex-wife.

She had sex with the teen, that isn't up for debate at all. She isn't legally guilty of rape, but at best, she was straddling the gray zone, using ignorance for protection.

 

[krypton iodine sulfur]

I do wonder how a jury might have decided if a 32 year old man had invited two 14 year old girls into his home, then took one of them upstairs, stripped off, and mounted her.

The important thing is that we leverage the unsuccessfully prosecuted statutory rape of a 14-year-old into some sort of half-assed statement on double standards against men.

Question, but is this hypothetical man a really good swimmer?

 

[TomC]

Sex offender bemoans being considered a sex offender. News at 11.

Well, no, she actually isn't a sex-offender. That's sort of the point?

Around here, southern Indiana, she would be. Doesn't matter how the older perp justifies it, birthdays are birthdays.
I've got a relative who was convicted of having sex with a 14 y/o when he was 19. He was easy to convict, he never claimed differently. He was "in love", and going to marry her. Which he eventually did. But he still can't pick up his kids at school or anything because he's a sex offender.
Tom

 

[J842P]

Sex offender bemoans being considered a sex offender. News at 11.

Well, no, she actually isn't a sex-offender. That's sort of the point?

Around here, southern Indiana, she would be. Doesn't matter how the older perp justifies it, birthdays are birthdays.
I've got a relative who was convicted of having sex with a 14 y/o when he was 19. He was easy to convict, he never claimed differently. He was "in love", and going to marry her. Which he eventually did. But he still can't pick up his kids at school or anything because he's a sex offender.
Tom

Damn, no "Romeo and Juliet" laws?

 

[laughing dog]

Sex offender bemoans being considered a sex offender. News at 11.

Well, no, she actually isn't a sex-offender. That's sort of the point?

Yes, and OJ Simpson didn't kill his ex-wife.

She had sex with the teen, that isn't up for debate at all. She isn't legally guilty of rape, but at best, she was straddling the gray zone, using ignorance for protection.

I am confident that the 14 year old victim would not care for his junk to be referred to as "the gray zone".

 

[ruby sparks]

Personally, I think there is a double-standard against men in this matter. That's my impression. Given the same ages of the two parties, I believe an adult male will be treated more harshly than an adult female. My guess is that the reasons for that (if it's the case) are varied.

 

[Trausti]

Around here, southern Indiana, she would be. Doesn't matter how the older perp justifies it, birthdays are birthdays.
I've got a relative who was convicted of having sex with a 14 y/o when he was 19. He was easy to convict, he never claimed differently. He was "in love", and going to marry her. Which he eventually did. But he still can't pick up his kids at school or anything because he's a sex offender.
Tom

Damn, no "Romeo and Juliet" laws?

Statutory rape is statutory rape.

 

[TomC]

Around here, southern Indiana, she would be. Doesn't matter how the older perp justifies it, birthdays are birthdays.
I've got a relative who was convicted of having sex with a 14 y/o when he was 19. He was easy to convict, he never claimed differently. He was "in love", and going to marry her. Which he eventually did. But he still can't pick up his kids at school or anything because he's a sex offender.
Tom

Damn, no "Romeo and Juliet" laws?

I think that there are. I'm not sure. I'm quite the prude. Don't screw around with people you wouldn't marry.

But it doesn't extend to 5 years difference, for 14y/o children. And it doesn't matter if you are unaware of how young the victim is. The onus is on the competent adult to make sure what they're doing is legal. If not...

I don't have a problem with any of this. If y'all are "in love", y'all will still be in love when the sex is legal. Keep it in your pants until then.

And if a 14 y/o is competent to decide that they want sex, they're also competent to understand why such laws exist and are enforced. Because not all 14 y/o are so competent. So they aren't going to break the law and risk messing up their fuck buddy.
Tom

 

[Emily Lake]

I do wonder how a jury might have decided if a 32 year old man had invited two 14 year old girls into his home, then took one of them upstairs, stripped off, and mounted her.

The important thing is that we leverage the unsuccessfully prosecuted statutory rape of a 14-year-old into some sort of half-assed statement on double standards against men.

See, I'm inclined to view it as a definite double standard that harms children and adolescents below the age of consent. When the interpretation of it being bad or wrong is dependent on the sex of the adult involved, something is wrong with the justice system.

I feel that this woman's claim of "oh he looked older" shouldn't be sufficient. I view as a her getting off on a technicality... but also recognize that the same technicality is unlikely to have been acceptable were the older party male.

 

[Emily Lake]

Around here, southern Indiana, she would be. Doesn't matter how the older perp justifies it, birthdays are birthdays.
I've got a relative who was convicted of having sex with a 14 y/o when he was 19. He was easy to convict, he never claimed differently. He was "in love", and going to marry her. Which he eventually did. But he still can't pick up his kids at school or anything because he's a sex offender.
Tom

Damn, no "Romeo and Juliet" laws?

I don't think R&J laws cover that big a difference in ages when the younger party is 14.

 

[Politesse]

Personally, I think there is a double-standard against men in this matter. That's my impression. Given the same ages of the two parties, I believe an adult male will be treated more harshly than an adult female. My guess is that the reasons for that (if it's the case) are varied.

Even if that's the case, and I think it may be, the appropriate solution would be to treat female rapes of young men more seriously, and I think that has definitely been the general trend (at least here in the US, I cannot speak to Ireland of course). We have had some high-ish profile cases of this lately, and some films and tv series (such as FX's "A Teacher" which came out this year) raising awareness of the danger and harm faced by young men as a result of damaging conservative beliefs about their sexuality.

 

[ruby sparks]

Personally, I think there is a double-standard against men in this matter. That's my impression. Given the same ages of the two parties, I believe an adult male will be treated more harshly than an adult female. My guess is that the reasons for that (if it's the case) are varied.

Even if that's the case, and I think it may be, the appropriate solution would be to treat female rapes of young men more seriously, and I think that has definitely been the general trend (at least here in the US, I cannot speak to Ireland of course). We have had some high-ish profile cases of this lately, and some films and tv series (such as FX's "A Teacher" which came out this year) raising awareness of the danger and harm faced by young men as a result of damaging conservative beliefs about their sexuality.

Yes, I think, if anything, there have been some changes, and I think they have been in the direction of more equal treatment (and indeed some liberal Feminists encourage it).

It is in some ways an interesting topic, given how some young people (of any sex or gender) can be sexual earlier than others. I recall one fairly famous case where a physically well-developed (ie big for his age) but legally underage boy pursued an adult woman romantically to try to seduce her, for example. I believe that after the case, they had a child, and lived together (after he was of age).

And I think there is another related aspect. Girls may arguably need more protection, simply because the potential consequences for them are greater. I mean they can get pregnant.

 

[Terrell]

Personally, I think there is a double-standard against men in this matter. That's my impression. Given the same ages of the two parties, I believe an adult male will be treated more harshly than an adult female. My guess is that the reasons for that (if it's the case) are varied.

They would. Just look at the news coverage when a man gets caught molesting a girl, compared to when a woman gets caught molesting a boy. There have also been cases in the U.S. where underage boys were required to pay child support because the perpetrator got pregnant.

He was 14, she was 20.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/
https://lawpublications.barry.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1017&context=cflj


Both were underage in the case linked below. She was 16; he was 12.
https://law.justia.com/cases/kansas/supreme-court/1993/67-978-3.html

He was 15, she was 34.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1996-12-22-9612220045-story.html