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World War III started during the 2016 elections—and the United States lost the first battle

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I don't think anyone can win WW III, except perhaps cockroaches..

Make no mistake about it: the opening shots of World War III were fired upon the United States of America during the lead up to the 2016 presidential elections.
The battle raged on during the 2016 elections, and most of America had no idea it even happened. Russia was so skillful in opening up this war that there are wide swaths of Americans who either do not believe the attacks happened, or are siding with the Russians.
The attack on our presidential elections will have far greater implications than the attack on Pearl Harbor, and will end up being far worse than 9/11. It is an attack not on our naval fleet, not on our Army, and not on our financial centers. Instead, it was a strike right at the core of our democracy—the very fabric of our nation.
Retired Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling has impeccable credentials. Hewas the commanding general of U.S. Army Europe and Seventh Army, and had a 37-year career in the U.S. Army. When someone like him speaks out of the dangers of a foreign power—especially Russia—you listen. This past week, Gen. Hertling published a lengthy article in Politico summing up the danger Russia presents.
In 2016, our country was targeted by an attack that had different operational objectives and a different overarching strategy, but its aim was every bit as much to devastate the American homeland as Pearl Harbor or 9/11. The destruction may not send pillars of smoke into the sky or come with an 11-digit price tag, and there’s no body count or casualty statistics—but the damage done has ravaged our institutions and shaken our belief in our immovability. But two years on, we still haven’t put any boats or men in the proverbial water. We still have not yet acted—just today, President Donald Trump, a beneficiary of this attack, exonerated the man who ordered it: Russian strongman Vladimir Putin.
We know now that President Obama tried to sound the alarm about Russian interference into our elections. We know that President Obama warned the Russians not to interfere in our elections.
The White House confirmed in a statement on Wednesday that eight days before the presidential election, the United States “contacted the Russian government directly regarding malicious cyberactivity” that was “targeting U.S. state election-related systems.” It sent the message over a rarely used system: a hotline connecting the Nuclear Risk Reduction Centers in both countries, which they had agreed three years ago could also be employed to deal with major cyberincidents.
We also know that President Obama wanted a joint, bipartisan statement about the election hacking—one that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell watered down.

Yet more proof that the rethuglicans are traitors.
 
I don't think anyone can win WW III, except perhaps cockroaches..

[FONT=&]Make no mistake about it: the opening shots of World War III were fired upon the United States of America during the lead up to the 2016 presidential elections.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The battle raged on during the 2016 elections, and most of America had no idea it even happened. Russia was so skillful in opening up this war that there are wide swaths of Americans who either do not believe the attacks happened, or are siding with the Russians. [/FONT]
[FONT=&]The attack on our presidential elections will have far greater implications than the attack on Pearl Harbor, and will end up being far worse than 9/11. It is an attack not on our naval fleet, not on our Army, and not on our financial centers. Instead, it was a strike right at the core of our democracy—the very fabric of our nation. [/FONT]
[FONT=&]Retired Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling has impeccable credentials. Hewas the commanding general of U.S. Army Europe and Seventh Army, and had a 37-year career in the U.S. Army. When someone like him speaks out of the dangers of a foreign power—especially Russia—you listen. This past week, Gen. Hertling published a lengthy article in Politico summing up the danger Russia presents.[/FONT]
In 2016, our country was targeted by an attack that had different operational objectives and a different overarching strategy, but its aim was every bit as much to devastate the American homeland as Pearl Harbor or 9/11. The destruction may not send pillars of smoke into the sky or come with an 11-digit price tag, and there’s no body count or casualty statistics—but the damage done has ravaged our institutions and shaken our belief in our immovability. But two years on, we still haven’t put any boats or men in the proverbial water. We still have not yet acted—just today, President Donald Trump, a beneficiary of this attack, exonerated the man who ordered it: Russian strongman Vladimir Putin.
[FONT=&]We know now that President Obama tried to sound the alarm about Russian interference into our elections. We know that President Obama warned the Russians not to interfere in our elections.[/FONT]
The White House confirmed in a statement on Wednesday that eight days before the presidential election, the United States “contacted the Russian government directly regarding malicious cyberactivity” that was “targeting U.S. state election-related systems.” It sent the message over a rarely used system: a hotline connecting the Nuclear Risk Reduction Centers in both countries, which they had agreed three years ago could also be employed to deal with major cyberincidents.
[FONT=&]We also know that President Obama wanted a joint, bipartisan statement about the election hacking—one that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell [/FONT]watered down[FONT=&].[/FONT]

Yet more proof that the rethuglicans are traitors.

Two questions:

1. Are you claiming that all Republicans are traitors?
2. Given that you think no one will survive, what do you think the Russian plan is? Surely, WW3 is against Putin's own interests, and he knows that.
 
I don't think anyone can win WW III, except perhaps cockroaches..

[FONT=&]Make no mistake about it: the opening shots of World War III were fired upon the United States of America during the lead up to the 2016 presidential elections.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The battle raged on during the 2016 elections, and most of America had no idea it even happened. Russia was so skillful in opening up this war that there are wide swaths of Americans who either do not believe the attacks happened, or are siding with the Russians. [/FONT]
[FONT=&]The attack on our presidential elections will have far greater implications than the attack on Pearl Harbor, and will end up being far worse than 9/11. It is an attack not on our naval fleet, not on our Army, and not on our financial centers. Instead, it was a strike right at the core of our democracy—the very fabric of our nation. [/FONT]
[FONT=&]Retired Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling has impeccable credentials. Hewas the commanding general of U.S. Army Europe and Seventh Army, and had a 37-year career in the U.S. Army. When someone like him speaks out of the dangers of a foreign power—especially Russia—you listen. This past week, Gen. Hertling published a lengthy article in Politico summing up the danger Russia presents.[/FONT]
In 2016, our country was targeted by an attack that had different operational objectives and a different overarching strategy, but its aim was every bit as much to devastate the American homeland as Pearl Harbor or 9/11. The destruction may not send pillars of smoke into the sky or come with an 11-digit price tag, and there’s no body count or casualty statistics—but the damage done has ravaged our institutions and shaken our belief in our immovability. But two years on, we still haven’t put any boats or men in the proverbial water. We still have not yet acted—just today, President Donald Trump, a beneficiary of this attack, exonerated the man who ordered it: Russian strongman Vladimir Putin.
[FONT=&]We know now that President Obama tried to sound the alarm about Russian interference into our elections. We know that President Obama warned the Russians not to interfere in our elections.[/FONT]
The White House confirmed in a statement on Wednesday that eight days before the presidential election, the United States “contacted the Russian government directly regarding malicious cyberactivity” that was “targeting U.S. state election-related systems.” It sent the message over a rarely used system: a hotline connecting the Nuclear Risk Reduction Centers in both countries, which they had agreed three years ago could also be employed to deal with major cyberincidents.
[FONT=&]We also know that President Obama wanted a joint, bipartisan statement about the election hacking—one that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell [/FONT]watered down[FONT=&].[/FONT]

Yet more proof that the rethuglicans are traitors.

Two questions:

1. Are you claiming that all Republicans are traitors?
2. Given that you think no one will survive, what do you think the Russian plan is? Surely, WW3 is against Putin's own interests, and he knows that.

I think that Putin simply wants to weaken Nato and the US. That could allow him to take a few new countries. Plus it could show that western style democracy is not working. Just my opinion...
 
Two questions:

1. Are you claiming that all Republicans are traitors?
2. Given that you think no one will survive, what do you think the Russian plan is? Surely, WW3 is against Putin's own interests, and he knows that.

I think that Putin simply wants to weaken Nato and the US. That could allow him to take a few new countries. Plus it could show that western style democracy is not working. Just my opinion...
But that would not be WW3. He's not trying to start that. So, if that's the plan, I'd say WW3 has not started.
 
Give me a break.

This is insanity.

The Russians certainly tried to influence the election but there is no evidence they did.

Ignorant and hateful Americans voted for Trump with their own free will. The US is a very disturbed nation.

Trying to blame Russia is insanity.
 
Give me a break.

This is insanity.

The Russians certainly tried to influence the election but there is no evidence they did.

Ignorant and hateful Americans voted for Trump with their own free will. The US is a very disturbed nation.

Trying to blame Russia is insanity.

Well, it was still an attack on your country by a hostile foreign government. The question of whether it succeeded, failed or had no effect is a separate one from that.

If Putin's plan had been to undermine the US electoral system in order to help get Clinton elected, the fact that Trump won anyways wouldn't make it less of an egregious act.
 
Give me a break.

This is insanity.

The Russians certainly tried to influence the election but there is no evidence they did.

Ignorant and hateful Americans voted for Trump with their own free will. The US is a very disturbed nation.

Trying to blame Russia is insanity.

Well, it was still an attack on your country by a hostile foreign government. The question of whether it succeeded, failed or had no effect is a separate one from that.

If Putin's plan had been to undermine the US electoral system in order to help get Clinton elected, the fact that Trump won anyways wouldn't make it less of an egregious act.

Of course people who committed crimes should be prosecuted.

This is just a way for some people to say that Trump is not an expression of the American people.

It is scapegoating.

Russian influence did not decide this election.

The Democrats electing Clinton did. A person with tons of negative baggage to overcome. When they had Bernie Sanders.

And the Democrats want to pretend it is not their fault.
 
Give me a break.

This is insanity.

The Russians certainly tried to influence the election but there is no evidence they did.

Ignorant and hateful Americans voted for Trump with their own free will. The US is a very disturbed nation.

Trying to blame Russia is insanity.

Finally. I get to read a post from someone who doesnt have their head completely up their ass. Thank you untermenche for showing me there is still some sanity left in this thread.
 
Give me a break.

This is insanity.

The Russians certainly tried to influence the election but there is no evidence they did.

Ignorant and hateful Americans voted for Trump with their own free will. The US is a very disturbed nation.

Trying to blame Russia is insanity.

Finally. I get to read a post from someone who doesnt have their head completely up their ass. Thank you untermenche for showing me there is still some sanity left in this thread.

Neither of you have been watching all the news and Guilty pleas by people who helped with the Russian interference, then? Even the few remaining borderline sane members of the gop admit that Russia swayed the result to prevent Hillary from an assured win. It looks from here more like you both have your heads well and truly anally inserted. <FACEPALM>
 
Give me a break.

This is insanity.

The Russians certainly tried to influence the election but there is no evidence they did.

Ignorant and hateful Americans voted for Trump with their own free will. The US is a very disturbed nation.

Trying to blame Russia is insanity.

Well, it was still an attack on your country by a hostile foreign government. The question of whether it succeeded, failed or had no effect is a separate one from that.

If Putin's plan had been to undermine the US electoral system in order to help get Clinton elected, the fact that Trump won anyways wouldn't make it less of an egregious act.

Of course people who committed crimes should be prosecuted.

This is just a way for some people to say that Trump is not an expression of the American people.

It is scapegoating.

Russian influence did not decide this election.

The Democrats electing Clinton did. A person with tons of negative baggage to overcome. When they had Bernie Sanders.

And the Democrats want to pretend it is not their fault.

Putin was actually figuring on a Hillary win just like the rest of us.

https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/2/22/14697718/trump-putin-helsinki-meeting-hillary-clinton

Mikhail Fishman

"He didn't believe Trump would win, so he was preparing to sell Clinton's victory as a fraud. And this is part of his broader message across the board, which is that democracy itself is flawed, broken, unjust. Putin actually believes this. He doesn't believe in democracy, and this is the worldview that he basically shares with Trump: that the establishment is corrupt and that the liberal world order is unjust."

Putin just happens to share the same worldview as trump deplorables:
1. The establishment is corrupt hence the narrative of fake news.
2. The liberal world was unjust when they let Hillary steal away the nomination from Bernie.
 
Give me a break.

This is insanity.

The Russians certainly tried to influence the election but there is no evidence they did.

Ignorant and hateful Americans voted for Trump with their own free will. The US is a very disturbed nation.

Trying to blame Russia is insanity.

Finally. I get to read a post from someone who doesnt have their head completely up their ass.
Well, that's good to hear, but why did you quote a post from untermensche?
Thank you untermenche for showing me there is still some sanity left in this thread.
I don't see a quote or link in your quote of his post. Perhaps I missed it because I have him on ignore.
 
Give me a break.

This is insanity.

The Russians certainly tried to influence the election but there is no evidence they did.

Ignorant and hateful Americans voted for Trump with their own free will. The US is a very disturbed nation.

Trying to blame Russia is insanity.

Well, it was still an attack on your country by a hostile foreign government. The question of whether it succeeded, failed or had no effect is a separate one from that.

On that point, we (meaning us 'Muricans) have been fed the idea for quite some time now that war is a very specific kind of thing. "Support the troops" and all that. Thanks to propaganda and willful ignorance, we can't seem to wrap our minds around the concept of asymmetrical warfare. Maybe because we haven't had to employ it against a stronger adversary. Because there isn't one.

We just park an aircraft carrier off some coast, launch the equivalent of the entire GDP of Costa Rica in cruise missiles at "the enemy" and we're doing war right by the keen judgement of the folks back home.

The folks who - for the most part - don't have to fight in the war. And as the OP article indicates, most of them haven't realized yet that we really are already engaged in a war with Russia. They didn't just attack the election. And while maybe they didn't change the outcome, they got something that is nonetheless very valuable: A President who - like his supporters - has no idea that the first shots in the war have already been fired.
 
I don't think anyone can win WW III, except perhaps cockroaches..
[FONT=&]Make no mistake about it: the opening shots of World War III were fired upon the United States of America during the lead up to the 2016 presidential elections.[/FONT] ...
Yet more proof that the rethuglicans are traitors.
Over much of the twentieth century, the Right was obsessed with "Communist subversion". But now, some of the Right seem very willing to be subverted by the Russians in exchange for Russian money, Russian election support like Russian hacking and Russian trolling, and Russian sexual favors.

A common fear back in the Cold War days was "Finlandization", being nominally independent of the Soviet Union and the Soviet empire while avoiding doing anything that displeases the Soviet leadership. But now, some parts of the Right seem happy to become Finlandized.
 
Give me a break.

This is insanity.

The Russians certainly tried to influence the election but there is no evidence they did.

Ignorant and hateful Americans voted for Trump with their own free will. The US is a very disturbed nation.

Trying to blame Russia is insanity.

Well, it was still an attack on your country by a hostile foreign government. The question of whether it succeeded, failed or had no effect is a separate one from that.

It was an attack on a pretend democracy that is nothing but a sideshow.

The oligarchs stole the country.

They are the traitors and destroyers of US democracy.

Clinton/Trump?

Just a distraction as the oligarchs with their corporations march on, creating tougher times for more and more Americans as they go.

But all anybody talks about is the phony sideshow.

Because the oligarchs own the mass media.

Hermann and Chomsky explained it all, in terms of the corporate media, a long time ago.
 
I don't think anyone can win WW III, except perhaps cockroaches..

[FONT=&]Make no mistake about it: the opening shots of World War III were fired upon the United States of America during the lead up to the 2016 presidential elections.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The battle raged on during the 2016 elections, and most of America had no idea it even happened. Russia was so skillful in opening up this war that there are wide swaths of Americans who either do not believe the attacks happened, or are siding with the Russians. [/FONT]
[FONT=&]The attack on our presidential elections will have far greater implications than the attack on Pearl Harbor and will end up being far worse than 9/11. It is an attack not on our naval fleet, not on our Army, and not on our financial centers. Instead, it was a strike right at the core of our democracy—the very fabric of our nation. [/FONT]
[FONT=&]Retired Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling has impeccable credentials. Hewas the commanding general of U.S. Army Europe and Seventh Army, and had a 37-year career in the U.S. Army. When someone like him speaks out of the dangers of a foreign power—especially Russia—you listen. This past week, Gen. Hertling published a lengthy article in Politico summing up the danger Russia presents.[/FONT]
In 2016, our country was targeted by an attack that had different operational objectives and a different overarching strategy, but its aim was every bit as much to devastate the American homeland as Pearl Harbor or 9/11. The destruction may not send pillars of smoke into the sky or come with an 11-digit price tag, and there’s no body count or casualty statistics—but the damage done has ravaged our institutions and shaken our belief in our immovability. But two years on, we still haven’t put any boats or men in the proverbial water. We still have not yet acted—just today, President Donald Trump, a beneficiary of this attack, exonerated the man who ordered it: Russian strongman Vladimir Putin.
[FONT=&]We know now that President Obama tried to sound the alarm about Russian interference into our elections. We know that President Obama warned the Russians not to interfere in our elections.[/FONT]
The White House confirmed in a statement on Wednesday that eight days before the presidential election, the United States “contacted the Russian government directly regarding malicious cyberactivity” that was “targeting U.S. state election-related systems.” It sent the message over a rarely used system: a hotline connecting the Nuclear Risk Reduction Centers in both countries, which they had agreed three years ago could also be employed to deal with major cyber incidents.
[FONT=&]We also know that President Obama wanted a joint, bipartisan statement about the election hacking—one that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell [/FONT]watered down[FONT=&].[/FONT]

Yet more proof that the rethuglicans are traitors.

More than a little bit of hyperbole. What is happening would be more reasonably called Cold War II. And I don't think that Rethuglicans are traitors, at least most of them.

Putin and Russia certainly were successful in 2016. In a narrow, electoral college victory that hinged on less than 100,000 votes total in three states, it is hard to claim that the Russians didn't have any part in swinging the election to Donald Trump. But they didn't do anything to us that we weren't already doing to ourselves.

Putin wants to undermine our democracy to promote and make his authoritarian oligarchy more legitimate in the eyes of the world. We have been subject to internal forces who want to undermine our democracy in support of our own oligarchy.

We won Cold War I because of the strength of our economy and of the example of our democracy to the people under communism and because we were unified against communism. It is only natural that our oligarchy like Putin attacks these things to achieve their goals. The question is why do we let them succeed? To keep our guns? So that we can establish a theocracy? So that we can keep racism alive as a force in society? Because we are afraid of foreigners? Because we are afraid of change itself?

The idea that money equals free speech and therefore the rich have more of the right to free speech than the poor undermines our democracy. The idea that corporations that are 1/3 owned by foreigners on average are people and have a person's right to participate in our elections undermines our democracy. The idea that gerrymandering is protected by the constitution undermines our democracy.

There is nothing that Putin has done that we haven't done to ourselves twenty times over. We should start the defense of our democracy at home because we can't otherwise separate what we are appalled at what Putin is doing to us from the self-inflicted wounding of our democracy.
 
The US womn Cold War One because big business and the government saw to it that people in the US received wages allowing them to have a much better standard of living than we would have under a societ socialist system. Now that the supposed communist threat is gone living standards in the US are going way, way, down.
 
All 17 American intelligence agencies: America was attacked and will be attacked again in the next elections.

Republicans: SURRENDER! EVERYONE SURRENDER TO THE RUSSIANS! STOP INVESTIGATING ANY POSSIBLE CONSPIRACY WITH THE RUSSIANS! STOP FUNDING FOR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT ALLOW US TO DEFEND OURSELVES FROM THAT KIND OF ATTACK! SURRENDER! SURRENDER AS HARD AS YOU CAN!
 
When you have a system that has been thoroughly corrupted by money it doesn't matter who is paying the money.
 
Finally. I get to read a post from someone who doesnt have their head completely up their ass. Thank you untermenche for showing me there is still some sanity left in this thread.

2. The liberal world was unjust when they let Hillary steal away the nomination from Bernie.
Yeah, that is a sane observation.

Seems like someone is still under the influence of the Russian Sanders propaganda as well.

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When you have a system that has been thoroughly corrupted by money it doesn't matter who is paying the money.
They system has ALWAYS been corrupted by money.
 
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