Yet another war, this time with Iran

[DrZoidberg]

What NATO countries has Russia recently invaded? What non-Nato countries has Russia recently invaded? Do you see a pattern?

Yes, I see a pattern starting from Yugoslavia of weakening Russia by NATO countries to Ukraine disturbance. European countries are part of the scheme. Why would not Russia react? Europe has been a slave to US.

You argument makes zero sense if you apply more than 5 seconds of thought.

Those countries you are alluding to (Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia) joined NATO in 2004. So Putin waited nearly 2 decades before "reacting"? Bullshit. And Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine was a direct cause for Finland and Sweden to join NATO. Russia is not the one "reacting". Everybody else is responding to Putin's Hitleresque naked aggression.

The simple truth is if Putin didn't act like a land grabbing cunt, his country wouldn't be sharing a border with NATO now. The blame is all on him.

Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia also joined NATO as soon as they fucking could, because all had been, in practice conquered, by USSR after WW2 and the Russians only left when they had to. They were all well aware how aggressive and imperialistic Russia is.

They joined. They weren't talked into anything.

BTW, Sweden and Finland, in practice, joined NATO on day one (1949). Officially out. But took part in all planning meetings and were all along counted on by other NATO countries to join in, if and when there's a war with Russia. Why did they do this? Becuase both Sweden and Finland were both afraid of how Russia might react if they joined NATO.

Russia has been acting as an aggressive bully since forever. Everyone, in these parts, knows exactly how insanely agressive they've historically been... and continue to be. Russia attacked Ukraine, completely unprovoked. The only reason Russia attacked is because Ukraine tried to shake off Russian dominance.

That's why NATO exists at all.

 

[ZiprHead]

Can you name any country NATO has invaded and tried to steal? Russia has done it plenty of times.

US has sanctions on Russia (in a war brought about by NATO),

Bullshit.

Iran (in a war brought about by Israel. You cannot take Hamas attack as the beginning of the conflict which goes 150 years before that, 1870-1897)

A conflict that started almost a hundred years before NATO was created Makes NATO responsible for it???

and Venezuelan oil and is threatening Cuba. Is not US the main actor in NATO? Why are the European countries silent about it?
"The organizations of Hovevei Zion (lit. 'Lovers of Zion'), held as the forerunners of modern Zionist ideals, were responsible for the creation of 20 Jewish towns in Palestine between 1870 and 1897." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zionism

You're making my case for me.

The bottom line is that just because Trump and Netanyahu do things you don't like doesn't mean that NATO is doing those things or even approves of them. Especially considering Trump's actions on Iran.

I'll ask this again since you dodged it the first time:

Can you name any country NATO has invaded and tried to steal? Russia has done it plenty of times.

 

[Harry Bosch]

What NATO countries has Russia recently invaded? What non-Nato countries has Russia recently invaded? Do you see a pattern?

Yes, I see a pattern starting from Yugoslavia of weakening Russia by NATO countries to Ukraine disturbance. European countries are part of the scheme. Why would not Russia react? Europe has been a slave to US.

Why do you think that Austria and Switzerland don't fear Nato? Both countries are surrounded by nato countries. And yet they aren't "weakened by nato border countries". Why is Russia?

 

[aupmanyav]

NATO was created in 1949 because USSR made every country they occupied a puppet state. It's just antisemitism.

But anyway... I wish we'd stop hating Jews, for no reason

USSR is gone. There is no need for NATO.
Actually, there is a need for nations to band against Trump's US policies. We need to say 'Enough is enough".
Indians have not hated Jews any time in 2,500 years. Netanyahu and Modi value each other.

 

[aupmanyav]

Those countries you are alluding to (Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia) joined NATO in 2004. So Putin waited nearly 2 decades before "reacting"? Bullshit. And Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine was a direct cause for Finland and Sweden to join NATO. Russia is not the one "reacting". Everybody else is responding to Putin's Hitleresque naked aggression.

The simple truth is if Putin didn't act like a land grabbing cunt, his country wouldn't be sharing a border with NATO now. The blame is all on him.

Putin came in 2008. in 2004, it was Yeltsin. Putin did not want a US stooge and a NATO base in Ukraine, but NATO wanted a proxy war. They were successful, but Ukrainians suffered. That seems to be OK with NATO. They can supply more arms to Ukraine. Their people are not dying. It is Ukrainians and Russians.

 

[Patooka]

Those countries you are alluding to (Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia) joined NATO in 2004. So Putin waited nearly 2 decades before "reacting"? Bullshit. And Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine was a direct cause for Finland and Sweden to join NATO. Russia is not the one "reacting". Everybody else is responding to Putin's Hitleresque naked aggression.

The simple truth is if Putin didn't act like a land grabbing cunt, his country wouldn't be sharing a border with NATO now. The blame is all on him.

Putin came in 2008. in 2004, it was Yeltsin. Putin did not want a US stooge and a NATO base in Ukraine, but NATO wanted a proxy war. They were successful, but Ukrainians suffered. That seems to be OK with NATO. They can supply more arms to Ukraine. Their people are not dying. It is Ukrainians and Russians.

I know I'm going to regret asking but show me your working. Specifically the "US stooge" and the commander of the NATO base you are alluding to.

 

[aupmanyav]

Indians have not hated Jews any time in 2,500 years. Netanyahu and Modi value each other.

Just yesterday, on Remembrance Day, Netanyahu said that Indian love for Israel is "crazy".
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/israel-india-netanyahu-modi-idf-west-bank-b2985789.html, https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/top...s-netanyahu-amid-global-criticism/ar-AA24mban, https://ussanews.com/2026/05/28/netanyahu-names-country-with-crazy-love-for-israel/

Jews were part of the Indian people for more than 2,000 years. They were/are (the few that still remain in India) part of the family. You don't like when members of the family go. We understand that many of them went to Israel to move on to Europe and US. Other Indians too do that. Indians with Portugese citizenship in Goa also did that. Israel-Indian cooperation is beneficial to India in agriculture, defense, etc. So, it is not all that crazy, it is very practical.

 

[aupmanyav]

Becuase both Sweden and Finland were both afraid of how Russia might react if they joined NATO.

They were afraid of USSR, but USSR does not exist today. But they are still a part of NATO. Why blame Russia for what intentions USSR may have had?

The only reason Russia attacked is because Ukraine tried to shake off Russian dominance.

Shake off Russian dominance and accept US dominance?

 

[aupmanyav]

A conflict that started almost a hundred years before NATO was created Makes NATO responsible for it???

Where did I blame NATO for war in Iran? I blame US jumping in for Trump's greed for oil.

Can you name any country NATO has invaded and tried to steal? Russia has done it plenty of times.

What is NATO? The master of the house is . Other members are just pets wagging their tails. See sanctions on Russia, Venezuela, Iran and Cuba.
I see no reason why Europe and UK should sell their soul to US. If they leave NATO, they will have no conflict with Russia. It is just like joining a bully.

 

[aupmanyav]

Why do you think that Austria and Switzerland don't fear Nato? Both countries are surrounded by Nato countries. And yet they aren't "weakened by nato border countries". Why is Russia?

Because they do not have 4,000+ bombs. They are nonentities as far as muscle power goes. Russian, Chinese and N. Korean bombs and missiles threaten US dominance. That is what US is concerned about. If it was not for them, Trump would have declared himself the Emperor of the World.

 

[aupmanyav]

I know I'm going to regret asking but show me your working. Specifically the "US stooge" and the commander of the NATO base you are alluding to.

My information is limited to Wikipedia. I could not find the name of the US stooges but there must have been some to initiate the Maidan Revolution. But removal of Yanukovych caused the Russian attack on Ukraine. Yanukovych may have been a criminal and corrupt, but he was acceptable to Russians. It is not necessary that stooges get power. They may just be petty criminals. They work for money and when the task is completed they get paid. I do not know who all got paid by NATO. The power went to Turchynov and later to Poroshenko.

 

[ZiprHead]

NATO was created in 1949 because USSR made every country they occupied a puppet state. It's just antisemitism.

But anyway... I wish we'd stop hating Jews, for no reason

USSR is gone. There is no need for NATO.

A fine example of Aupy not paying attention.

Actually, there is a need for nations to band against Trump's US policies. We need to say 'Enough is enough".

I might actually agree with you on that except that it would get more Americans killed.

Indians have not hated Jews any time in 2,500 years. Netanyahu and Modi value each other.

Antisemitism is on the rise in India.

The Blogs: Antisemitism in India: An unwelcome import

As global politics and conspiracy theories take hold, India must work to ensure that debates on Gaza, Palestine and Israel are grounded in facts and moral clarity

blogs.timesofisrael.com

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344194980_The_Delusion_of_the_Absence_of_Antisemitism_in_India

 

[Harry Bosch]

Why do you think that Austria and Switzerland don't fear Nato? Both countries are surrounded by Nato countries. And yet they aren't "weakened by nato border countries". Why is Russia?

Because they do not have 4,000+ bombs. They are nonentities as far as muscle power goes. Russian, Chinese and N. Korean bombs and missiles threaten US dominance. That is what US is concerned about. If it was not for them, Trump would have declared himself the Emperor of the World.

You are very "American centric". I actually think that the US is in decline. America is certainty moving away from Europe. The reason that Austria and Switzerland aren't threatened by Nato is that they have no intensions of invading any NATO country. They want to trade with the other NATO countries. They aren't led by maniacal dictator who wants to conquer land to establish his destiny.

 

[pood]

Those countries you are alluding to (Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia) joined NATO in 2004. So Putin waited nearly 2 decades before "reacting"? Bullshit. And Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine was a direct cause for Finland and Sweden to join NATO. Russia is not the one "reacting". Everybody else is responding to Putin's Hitleresque naked aggression.

The simple truth is if Putin didn't act like a land grabbing cunt, his country wouldn't be sharing a border with NATO now. The blame is all on him.

Putin came in 2008. in 2004, it was Yeltsin.

Factually wrong, [removed].

Putin did not want a US stooge and a NATO base in Ukraine, but NATO wanted a proxy war. They were successful, but Ukrainians suffered. That seems to be OK with NATO. They can supply more arms to Ukraine. Their people are not dying. It is Ukrainians and Russians.

Factually wrong,[removed]

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Why do you think that Austria and Switzerland don't fear Nato? Both countries are surrounded by Nato countries. And yet they aren't "weakened by nato border countries". Why is Russia?

Because they do not have 4,000+ bombs. They are nonentities as far as muscle power goes. Russian, Chinese and N. Korean bombs and missiles threaten US dominance. That is what US is concerned about. If it was not for them, Trump would have declared himself the Emperor of the World.

You are very "American centric". I actually think that the US is in decline. America is certainty moving away from Europe. The reason that Austria and Switzerland aren't threatened by Nato is that they have no intensions of invading any NATO country. They want to trade with the other NATO countries. They aren't led by maniacal dictator who wants to conquer land to establish his destiny.

The U.S., despite so many who wish for it to be, is not in economic decline nor is its influence around the globe.

As for Austria, whatever. They're buffered from Russia by four different nations, so their concerns are nowhere near as great as the countries that directly border Russia.

And fuck Switzerland. Its geography makes it worthless in terms of hostile military occupation, which, unlike every other European nation allows it to insulate itself from the real problems in Europe all while patting itself on the back for its bullshit high-minded neutrality. It's the money laundering capital of the western world, and its hands are as bloody as any other nation with respect to turning away Jews during the Holocaust.

Oh, but they have yodeling, elaborately decorate their cows, and have a famous Disneyland ride named after a geographical feature! Yay Switzerland!

 

[Harry Bosch]

From Colonel Sanders:

The U.S., despite so many who wish for it to be, is not in economic decline nor is its influence around the globe.


As for Austria, whatever. They're buffered from Russia by four different nations, so their concerns are nowhere near as great as the countries that directly border Russia.

And fuck Switzerland. Its geography makes it worthless in terms of hostile military occupation, which, unlike every other European nation allows it to insulate itself from the real problems in Europe all while patting itself on the back for its bullshit high-minded neutrality. It's the money laundering capital of the western world, and its hands are as bloody as any other nation with respect to turning away Jews during the Holocaust.

Oh, but they have yodeling, elaborately decorate their cows, and have a famous Disneyland ride named after a geographical feature! Yay Switzerland!

Sure, the US has the most powerful military and the largest most profitable economy in the world. But in relative terms, there are many signs of decline. I don't think that it will take long for China to overtake it. Some subtle signs that I see: 1) wall street. It's always been a rule of thumb that people invest 90% of their portfolio in the US, 10% foreign. Most experts today advise that investors only keep 75% in the US. Investors are finding better long term returns overseas. 2) We are dramatically losing our soft power. This has dire effect on foreign policy today and will be a big problem in the future. I'm trying to not be too political, as this started a little before Trump. But Trump has greatly accelerated this problem. This means that future military operations that the US undertakes to secure its interests will be very painful and expensive. For example: Russia has zero soft power. The only way that they can keep friendly relations with their direct neighbors is to threaten and bully. Then they have to extend 1,000,000 troops and years' worth of armaments. We'll never have as little soft power as Russia, but it is growing problem for us. We're losing Europe. Canada hates our guts (don't blame them); they are now buying arms from other nations. Much of Asia thinks that we idiots. This is not going to be easy to reverse in the future. 3) It seems to me that our military hasn't adapted to the new military needs of today. Trump wants to build more ships?? Why. I think that we need to be more like Ukraine. Dramatically increase our drone technology. We are struggling in Iran, that should be unacceptable. 4) Our government debt and personal consumer debt is at unsustainable levels. China has problems here also. I could add a few more, but I've probably lost you anyway! We peaked at the end of WW2. IMO, there has been a steady decline ever since. No country in history remains on top forever. Our time is coming.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Why do you think that Austria and Switzerland don't fear Nato? Both countries are surrounded by Nato countries. And yet they aren't "weakened by nato border countries". Why is Russia?

Because they do not have 4,000+ bombs. They are nonentities as far as muscle power goes. Russian, Chinese and N. Korean bombs and missiles threaten US dominance. That is what US is concerned about. If it was not for them, Trump would have declared himself the Emperor of the World.

You are very "American centric". I actually think that the US is in decline. America is certainty moving away from Europe. The reason that Austria and Switzerland aren't threatened by Nato is that they have no intensions of invading any NATO country. They want to trade with the other NATO countries. They aren't led by maniacal dictator who wants to conquer land to establish his destiny.

The U.S., despite so many who wish for it to be, is not in economic decline nor is its influence around the globe.

As for Austria, whatever. They're buffered from Russia by four different nations, so their concerns are nowhere near as great as the countries that directly border Russia.

And fuck Switzerland. Its geography makes it worthless in terms of hostile military occupation, which, unlike every other European nation allows it to insulate itself from the real problems in Europe all while patting itself on the back for its bullshit high-minded neutrality. It's the money laundering capital of the western world, and its hands are as bloody as any other nation with respect to turning away Jews during the Holocaust.

Oh, but they have yodeling, elaborately decorate their cows, and have a famous Disneyland ride named after a geographical feature! Yay Switzerland!

Colonel: my point above is that Aupmanyav is trying to claim that Russia should fear Nato. My counter point is that Austria and Switzerland are surrounded by NATO countries and yet they have no fear of NATO.

 

[Shadowy Man]

NATO was created in 1949 because USSR made every country they occupied a puppet state. It's just antisemitism.

But anyway... I wish we'd stop hating Jews, for no reason

USSR is gone. There is no need for NATO.

A fine example of Aupy not paying attention.

Perfect logic. Like “polio is gone. There is no need for vaccines”.

 

[aupmanyav]

I might actually agree with you on that except that it would get more Americans killed.

How is that?

Antisemitism is on the rise in India.

We have no problem with Jews or Israel, but we do not like atrocities and killing of Palestinians.
Of course, Indian Muslims, just like Muslims anywhere hate Jews and Israel for that.
Christians too will not like if Christians are persecuted and killed somewhere.

 

[aupmanyav]

The reason that Austria and Switzerland aren't threatened by Nato is that they have no intentions of invading any NATO country.

Is not that funny? Do they have the wherewithal. Whom would they attack? France, Germany?

My point above is that Aupmanyav is trying to claim that Russia should fear Nato. My counter point is that Austria and Switzerland are surrounded by NATO countries and yet they have no fear of NATO.

Russians have reasons for that. Three atomic powers with one comparable/better than them, putting trade sanctions on them.
Just as Austria and Switzerland have not joined NATO and do not fear Russia, other European countries too have no reason to fear Russia and join NATO. As I said, it is banding together with a bully that creates all the problems.