YouTube deletes Alex Jones' channel

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Alex Jones has rights but Colin Kapernick doesn't?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

... which websites to delete ...

I disagree with your wording. His website was not deleted. I think you should rewrite your post to say what actually happened.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Alex Jones has rights but Colin Kapernick doesn't?

No. Alex Jones is a dangerous asshole but Kap is not. They both certainly have rights.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Alex Jones has rights but Colin Kapernick doesn't?

No. Alex Jones is a dangerous asshole but Kap is not. They both certainly have rights.

What I seem to be hearing from conservatives is that Alex Jones's first amendment rights are somehow being violated but the same did not apply to Colin Kapernick from the same people.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Odd, but it seems this doesn't include Twitter.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Alex Jones has rights but Colin Kapernick doesn't?

No. Alex Jones is a dangerous asshole but Kap is not. They both certainly have rights.

What I seem to be hearing from conservatives is that Alex Jones's first amendment rights are somehow being violated but the same did not apply to Colin Kapernick from the same people.

They'll be sending Jones tons of money. Then he'll fade like Palin. People will remember more about his personal failures, like they do with Palin than anything of conservative merit.

But for certain, he'll be cashing in on his persecution. Probably has a book deal in the making. I work with assholes who will pay for signed copies.

 

[repoman]

Twitter even still has David Duke. But they banned Jared Taylor, because he does not come across as a madman.

I wonder if there is a calculation to who they boot and don't. A crazed asshole will discredit his position, but a calm guy (who at base may be as wrong, or non-pc) will make his ideology look attractive.

In some ways Alex Jones makes a good target to laugh at and this strengthens causes Jones opposes. But he does have an earnest following.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

What I seem to be hearing from conservatives is that Alex Jones's first amendment rights are somehow being violated but the same did not apply to Colin Kapernick from the same people.

They'll be sending Jones tons of money. Then he'll fade like Palin. People will remember more about his personal failures, like they do with Palin than anything of conservative merit.

But for certain, he'll be cashing in on his persecution. Probably has a book deal in the making. I work with assholes who will pay for signed copies.

That is interesting. I bet you're right.

I think there's also a chance of something else, such as someone getting an idea to create a conservative Internet because, you know, the real Internet is biased.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Alex Jones has rights but Colin Kapernick doesn't?

No. Alex Jones is a dangerous asshole but Kap is not. They both certainly have rights.

What I seem to be hearing from conservatives is that Alex Jones's first amendment rights are somehow being violated but the same did not apply to Colin Kapernick from the same people.

Kapernick was protesting against the US Military and wanted them to all die. Alex Jones is just a satirist...

*sigh*

 

[Underseer]

Was there a meeting or backchannel communication for all of these companies to do this on the same day? (Think GameJournoPros and "Gamers are dead")

Or just Youtube took the lead and these other companies thought this fucker was a crazy liability and now they could cut him loose like they wanted to for a long while.

YouTube didn't take the lead. Spotify, Apple and even Facebook acted before YouTube.

Erm, Spotify dragged their feet on this one.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Was there a meeting or backchannel communication for all of these companies to do this on the same day? (Think GameJournoPros and "Gamers are dead")

Or just Youtube took the lead and these other companies thought this fucker was a crazy liability and now they could cut him loose like they wanted to for a long while.

YouTube didn't take the lead. Spotify, Apple and even Facebook acted before YouTube.

Erm, Spotify dragged their feet on this one.

Sandy Hook was 4 years ago... they all dragged their feet on this.

 

[repoman]

Who wants private businesses to do some or all of the following?

* Cloudflare to not do business with Infowar's (Alex Jones')
* Their hosting service dump them
* Paypal and Visa/Amex/Mastercard/Discover to not be a passthrough for Jones
* Whoever owns or registered his domains (if not Jones) revoke them

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Who wants private businesses to do some or all of the following?

* Cloudflare to not do business with Infowar's (Alex Jones')
* Their hosting service dump them
* Paypal and Visa/Amex/Mastercard/Discover to not be a passthrough for Jones
* Whoever owns or registered his domains (if not Jones) revoke them

All of the above... go back to newsletters.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Who wants private businesses to do some or all of the following?

* Cloudflare to not do business with Infowar's (Alex Jones')
* Their hosting service dump them
* Paypal and Visa/Amex/Mastercard/Discover to not be a passthrough for Jones
* Whoever owns or registered his domains (if not Jones) revoke them

I recognize the right of private businesses to decline to do business, and I'm not going to say 'except if you are a baker'. However, I don't want anyone to be deplatformed.

 

[J842P]

Too bad YouTube couldn't just delete Alex Jones.

YouTube can't but parent company Alphabet probably has the resources required too...

...nevermind. I don't want to get too caught up in a fantastical irony of Alex Jones' death being part of an actual conspiracy.

Jesus. Do you realize the damage that would cause in the long term?

Although, it might be worth it just for the irony.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Too bad YouTube couldn't just delete Alex Jones.

YouTube can't but parent company Alphabet probably has the resources required too...

...nevermind. I don't want to get too caught up in a fantastical irony of Alex Jones' death being part of an actual conspiracy.

Jesus. Do you realize the damage that would cause in the long term?

Alphabet's stock would​ recover.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Geez, I'm certainly no fan of Alex Jones, but why stop with him? What about religious websites, creationist websites, psychics, BigFoot websites, anit-vaxxers, holocaust deniers, chemtrails, alternative medicine crap, etc, etc. Just kinda wondering how we're going to pick and choose which websites to delete that propagate harmful bullshit.

If I ran a publishing platform, I'd blacklist all of those. These services ought to take some responsibility for the content that they allow to be published on their platform, just as book publishers must do.

On the other hand, if I ran a web indexing/search service, I wouldn't blacklist anything I wasn't legally required to. However, any algorithm that considers Alex Jones relevant to news, current affairs, or any other search for factual information, is a broken algorithm.

Why should these guys be driven from the web?

 

[RVonse]

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/20...onstitution-free-speech-and-american-liberty/

Before you stupidly, as so many insouciant Americans will do, jump on the anti-Alex Jones bandwaggon, remember and think about the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemoller’s observation of his time under the Nazis:


“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

This time they are starting with Alex Jones.

Are Americans so stupid that they do not see what is unfolding in front of their eyes?

Yes.

 

[Patooka]

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/20...onstitution-free-speech-and-american-liberty/

Before you stupidly, as so many insouciant Americans will do, jump on the anti-Alex Jones bandwaggon, remember and think about the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemoller’s observation of his time under the Nazis:


“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

This time they are starting with Alex Jones.

Are Americans so stupid that they do not see what is unfolding in front of their eyes?

Yes.

At first they went after Alex Jones, and I did not speak out,
Because fuck Alex Jones.
Then I slept peacefully.

The end.

Comparing Alex Jones to Nazi persecution isn't even apples and oranges; it's just downright moronic.

 

[zorq]

“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist....

So by "coming for" Alex Jones you mean that they declined to do business with Jones based on the quality of his character. That quality being that he is a compulsive (if also ignorantly innocent) liar who doesn't care how much evidence exists to contradict his imagined reality.

Oh heaven forbid that someday they decline to do business with ME based on the quality of MY character. Honestly, I'm not too worried about it. I'm not anywhere near as nutso as Alex Jones (I think) and I'm not a Youtuber, Podcaster, Tweeter, or even a Facebooker. I think I'll survive.

This has been a thing forever. When Christians organize a boycott of company X for selling "objectionable" product Y, it is the same sort of thing. The US has freedom of association. Get over it.