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Arctish said:
RavenSky said:
There is no evidence Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman, you mean. We have evidence Zimmerman assault Trayvon - the bullet hole in Trayvon's chest
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We also have the fact that armed pursuit of a fellow citizen, approaching them in a hostile, confrontational manner likely to cause a person to fear for their life or safety, and attempts to physically restrain someone while not being duly authorized by law to do so is assault, and we have evidence all three occured. But I doubt that makes any difference to the die-hard pro-Zimmerman faction.
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Actually we don't have any evience that Z tried to restrain or tough M first unless you have an eyewitness to the event that saw their first interaction.
 
Mumbles said:
At this point...

If a person seriously thinks that Zimmerman, the guy known to be violent to strangers, coworkers, and family, who recorded himself following Martin in his car, and then getting out of his car and chasing him on foot, just suddenly said "never mind", and then Martin, who was running away from Zimmeerman, suddenly came running back and attacked him...

I simply have nothing to say, that's ridiculous on it's face.
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And Martin was Mary Poppins? He wasn't sent to be with his dad in neighborhood because of his fighting and other behavioral problems?
 
coloradoatheist said:
Arctish said:
We also have the fact that armed pursuit of a fellow citizen, approaching them in a hostile, confrontational manner likely to cause a person to fear for their life or safety, and attempts to physically restrain someone while not being duly authorized by law to do so is assault, and we have evidence all three occured. But I doubt that makes any difference to the die-hard pro-Zimmerman faction.
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Actually we don't have any evience that Z tried to restrain or tough M first unless you have an eyewitness to the event that saw their first interaction.
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I didn't say anything about who made the first grab, swipe, or shove, although now that you mention it I think it's important to point out that the only evidence Martin may have assaulted Zimmerman is the evidence Martin defended himself from Zimmerman. When you consider the evidence Martin attempted to avoid Zimmerman at first and flee from him later it becomes clear who was seeking a confrontation and who wasn't, which in turn is evidence of who was assaulting whom.
 
No surprise for the judgement. Can we say that SYG doesn't always mean you can just shoot anyone at anytime?
 
coloradoatheist said:
No surprise for the judgement. Can we say that SYG doesn't always mean you can just shoot anyone at anytime?
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There are several cases in Florida of people standing their grounds while chasing someone. So I guess you don't have to be standing and it doesn't have to be the same ground where your life was in danger.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
coloradoatheist said:
No surprise for the judgement. Can we say that SYG doesn't always mean you can just shoot anyone at anytime?
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There are several cases in Florida of people standing their grounds while chasing someone. So I guess you don't have to be standing and it doesn't have to be the same ground where your life was in danger.
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We have at least one boundary here.
 
coloradoatheist said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
There are several cases in Florida of people standing their grounds while chasing someone. So I guess you don't have to be standing and it doesn't have to be the same ground where your life was in danger.
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We have at least one boundary here.
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The guy being shot at lived, and was able to tell his version of events to the police and the court. The point about the importance of ambiguity in how Florida's SYG laws work still stands.

You employed ambiguity in your defense of Zimmerman. The only person besides Zimmerman who knew if Martin struck first* didn't live long enough to give us his version of events. That single bit of ambiguity has been stretched to cover the entire encounter, so that nothing Zimmerman said during the recorded call indicating his state of mind, nothing he did to ensure a face-to-face encounter with the teenager he was pursuing, and nothing in his police record or personal history matters. All that matters to the Zimmerman apologists is we can't say with certainty that Zimmerman grabbed Martin before Martin stopped running and started fighting.

Ambiguity ftw.

(* as he was allowed to do under Florida's SYG laws, or at least would have been if he wasn't a black person resisting a white authority figure)
 
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coloradoatheist said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
There are several cases in Florida of people standing their grounds while chasing someone. So I guess you don't have to be standing and it doesn't have to be the same ground where your life was in danger.
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We have at least one boundary here.
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We have a couple, actually. You can only "stand your ground" against black people, and you'd better make sure they are dead.

Of course, it also helps if your daddy is a retired judge.
 
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