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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Does it surprise you that Finland and Sweden are seeing the nature of the Russians and are moving towards the west?
First of all, they don't. Second, I don't fucking care. Reality is, for all intents and purposes both of them are in NATO already. Ukraine was technically in NATO too, just without benefits :)
I'm not sure that I understand you here. When western countries send conveys into foreign countries it is usually in the form of aid, or sports teams, or products to trade. Personally, I've dreamed of a big ski trip with friends/family to Sweden for many years. Russians send conveys of death of destruction to foreign countries. Which do you think Finland and Sweden would prefer? American tourists or Russian convoys?
 
Which do you think Finland and Sweden would prefer? American tourists or Russian convoys?

The Ukrainians are having so much fun mass murdering themselves and bombing all their own hospitals, churches, daycare centers and residential districts… the Swedes are probably jealous. Who needs those Americans and their worthless dollars?

Also, this morning there are reports of chemical weapons used in Mariupol. How much fun is that? Who wouldn’t welcome those nice Russian terrorists into their communities?
 
Does it surprise you that Finland and Sweden are seeing the nature of the Russians and are moving towards the west?
First of all, they don't. Second, I don't fucking care. Reality is, for all intents and purposes both of them are in NATO already. Ukraine was technically in NATO too, just without benefits :)
I'm not sure that I understand you here. When western countries send conveys into foreign countries it is usually in the form of aid, or sports teams, or products to trade.
Go tell that to Serbians, Iraqi, Syrians, Libyans, .....
 
You sound desperate.
Even their piece of shit president Ze started complaining about European diplomats asking for evidence about ukraine not being responsible for that crap.
Privately they simply don't believe that garbage.
Ukrainians are filthy liars, nazis and simply terrorists.
Even German right and left parties are united in their distrust of Ukrainian government. Imagine that! German left and right!
Desperate? You seem to think name calling is a viable argument.
Are you going to address any problems I (and a lot of western journalists) raised?
You have raised a lot of stuff. Much like people that dispel evolution, the 9/11 attacks, and a lot of other stuff you'd typically consider BS via fallacy of authority ("western journalists" in this case). The argument you are making is that Ukrainian nazis are waging war on Ukraine. A lot of it. And the premise is ridiculous.
No, you don't get to use "fallacy of authority". Not after you (meaning your side) accused all russians being victims of propaganda and simply russian government trolls. Answer the damn questions! Don't try to use 9/11 falacy.


This is ignoring the accusations or rape and indiscriminate murder of civilians.
We will get to that later. After you answer the questions which were asked first.
But that's a lie, in case you can't wait.
 
You sound desperate.
Even their piece of shit president Ze started complaining about European diplomats asking for evidence about ukraine not being responsible for that crap.
Privately they simply don't believe that garbage.
Ukrainians are filthy liars, nazis and simply terrorists.
Even German right and left parties are united in their distrust of Ukrainian government. Imagine that! German left and right!
Desperate? You seem to think name calling is a viable argument.
Are you going to address any problems I (and a lot of western journalists) raised?
You have raised a lot of stuff. Much like people that dispel evolution, the 9/11 attacks, and a lot of other stuff you'd typically consider BS via fallacy of authority ("western journalists" in this case). The argument you are making is that Ukrainian nazis are waging war on Ukraine. A lot of it. And the premise is ridiculous.
No, you don't get to use "fallacy of authority". Not after you (meaning your side) accused all russians being victims of propaganda and simply russian government trolls. Answer the damn questions! Don't try to use 9/11 falacy.
Your claims are beholden to "western journalists". Western journalists are almost entirely unison in the reporting that 'Russia invaded Ukraine' and 'Russia is indiscriminately killing civilians' and parts of 'Eastern Ukraine are in ruin'. Your attempt to reference "western journalists" when about all western journalists are reporting on the crimes being committed by Russia is much like someone citing a single Physicist in proving the WTC Towers couldn't have fallen down without an intended demolition, because that Physicist says so.

Both are Argument from Authority fallacies.
 
You are ignoring my arguments and post some random esoteric crap.
Anyway, about Bucha.
Apparently video of staging itself surfaced. In it, ukrainians are moving real corpses to make better shot for the camera. So Pallywood of them.
And there are clear signs that euro-critters are trying to forget about this incident.
Europians have attention span of the of encephalitic cat, it had to be, news circle is so short nowadays.
Indeed, I noticed that ukrainian fake-makers don't really care about their fakes lasting any measurable time. I mean, why not try at least remove serial number from the rocket for example? Of course it could be that people who launched the rocket did not even try to hide the fact that they are ukrainians and the idea about fake came later to different people who had no control over videos from the ground.

I remember another fake video about purportedly hungry russian soldiers stealing food from the store. Cool video. Except that full version of it surfaces later where these soldiers ...... pay for the food. And before you ask, standard military ration they are given are crap, I have seen and tried it. They are designed to last long, not to taste good. Dry milk was pretty good though.


You guys are pathetic.
 
You are ignoring my arguments and post some random esoteric crap.
What arguments? You are providing anti-evolution like evidence.
Anyway, about Bucha.
Even if that didn't happen, even if the raping is a lie... that only means that Russia isn't executing and raping civilians, they are still killing them indiscriminately. Ukraine needs to continue selling western support, so they are quite capable of lying. Destroying a city, however, seems like a pretty stupid way of trying to elicit support from the west. A bit over the top.
I remember another fake video about purportedly hungry russian soldiers stealing food from the store. Cool video. Except that full version of it surfaces later where these soldiers ...... pay for the food.
You do realize that Russian soldiers purchasing food at a Ukrainian store doesn't fall in line with the a competent Russia invasion narrative, right?
You guys are pathetic.
Millions have fled Ukraine. Civilians are being killed. I suppose that is a bit worse than being called pathetic. So I can live with that.
 
You do realize that Russian soldiers purchasing food at a Ukrainian store doesn't fall in line with the a competent Russia invasion narrative, right?
Does it have to?
Are you OK? you seem to be incapable of reading comprehension.
Soldiers went and bought something they like to eat. What's your problem with that?
 
they are still killing them indiscriminately.
that's a lie too. Ukrainians are killing civilians indiscriminately.
And why would not they? most of the fighting is in pro-russian part of the former Ukraine.
and these are nazis, they have no problem with killing even their own people, forget about russians. They have been at it for the last 8 years.
And raping as well, yep, raping, that's what Tornado was known for.
 
I was told that that corpses moving is a standard practice to prevent boobie traps. But I have not seen the video itself

As for the satellite images. There is evidence of forgery there.
There is an image after russians left and 3 weeks prior to that. They look almost identical, the only difference is resolution. And during this 3 weeks there was rain and warm temperature. They suspect it's the same image but they changed resolution to hide the fact that bodies did not decompose at all.
 
This is the shit Barbos has been fed.

Everyone in Ukraine is a nazi and must be eradicated along with the whole entire country.
I don't read that particular site at all. I mostly follow youtube bloggers.
But yeah. that "shit" seems to be consistent with my own conclusion based on available data I trust. "too late for half measures" consensus is starting to form in Russia and .... Ukraine. And no. I am not being fed shit, it is you who is being fed shit.

And by youtube bloggers I mean neutral to pro-russian sane people from Ukraine.
Some initially neutral are slowly drifting to pro-russia now. They are literally fed up with shit nazis are pulling.
 
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they are still killing them indiscriminately.
that's a lie too. Ukrainians are killing civilians indiscriminately.
Ukraine isn't shelling Ukraine.
And why would not they? most of the fighting is in pro-russian part of the former Ukraine.
And the other parts too.
and these are nazis
You keep calling them names. That helps justify Russians killing Slavs.
they have no problem with killing even their own people, forget about russians. They have been at it for the last 8 years.
And raping as well, yep, raping, that's what Tornado was known for.
So, Mariupol... meh nazis.
 
This is the shit Barbos has been fed.

Everyone in Ukraine is a nazi and must be eradicated along with the whole entire country.
I don't read that particular site at all. I mostly follow youtube bloggers.
But yeah. that "shit" seems to be consistent with my own conclusion based on available data I trust. "too late for half measures" consensus is starting to form in Russia and .... Ukraine. And no. I am not being fed shit, it is you who is being fed shit.
Half measures? Russia can't fight a war with an army of conscripts. They can continue shelling and they could bomb as well. It is all Russia has.
And by youtube bloggers I mean neutral to pro-russian sane people from Ukraine.
Some initially neutral are slowly drifting to pro-russia now. They are literally fed up with shit nazis are pulling.
Yeah, and a physicist says the WTC Towers were demo'd. A physicist!
 
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