How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Half measures? Russia can't fight a war with an army of conscripts. They can continue shelling and they could bomb as well. It is all Russia has.

What are you trying to say here?

Yeah, and a physicist says the WTC Towers were demo'd. A physicist!

And? I am not following you here.

 

[Politesse]

This is the shit Barbos has been fed.

Everyone in Ukraine is a nazi and must be eradicated along with the whole entire country.

It’s an amazing statement on human nature that a plurality of Russians actually eat this shit up.
Basically, we are fucked.

It's how you manufacture a genocide. This has been seen over and over in history. We never learn.

 

[Elixir]

It's how you manufacture a genocide. This has been seen over and over in history. We never learn.

It is tempting to blame folks like barbos for not only endorsing but actively advocating for mass murderers, but IMO the "fault" is quite evenly spread among all of us who comprise the seething masses whose collective insanity leads us to these atrocities.

 

[barbos]

You do realize that "defenders" of Mariupol, "battalion" or rather regiment called Azov was designated as a neo-nazi organization by US Congress? Maybe they changed it already. But it is what it was.
According to latest data, Azov has 2000-3000 men in Mariupol, plus 200-300 western mercenaries. Regular (not-quite-nazi) ukrainian marines surrendered yesterday, 260 of them I understand.

 

[laughing dog]

I don’t have him on speed-dial.
Wha do you mean?

I mean someone should take better care of your senile president.

Putin is not our President.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You do realize that "defenders" of Mariupol, "battalion" or rather regiment called Azov was designated as a neo-nazi organization by US Congress? Maybe they changed it already. But it is what it was.

Yeah, this who neo-nazi bullshit is well... bullshit. Anti-Semitism is more like a fashion trend in Eastern Europe. It is employed in Russia as much as in Ukraine, so enough of 'but those people are neo-nazis'. Yes, some of those fighting are. But Ukraine and Russia have a lot of neo-nazis... and Russia's actions against Ukraine has nothing to do with "nazis".

According to latest data, Azov has 2000-3000 men in Mariupol, plus 200-300 western mercenaries. Regular (not-quite-nazi) ukrainian marines surrendered yesterday, 260 of them I understand.

Kind of handwaving the destruction of Mariupol, but I can understand why. You say the nazis are responsible for the destruction, yet say the nazis are defending the place. You really are all over the place, but when you don't have a viable position to defend Russia's actions with, that is kind of what you are left with.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That helps justify Russians killing Slavs

I am fine with killing terrorists.

Yup. That is the key. Dehumanize the opponent. Call them terrorists, and that'll justify anything you do against them.

Russia lacks the capabilities to shell/bomb Ukraine and just take out the "terrorists" and "nazis". Hospital, theater, train station... don't worry, only terrorists and nazis were there.

 

[barbos]

Yeah, this who neo-nazi bullshit is well... bullshit.

US Congress is bullshit? Got it.

Russia lacks the capabilities to shell/bomb Ukraine and just take out the "terrorists" and "nazis". Hospital, theater, train station... don't worry, only terrorists and nazis were there.

What part of "Ukrainians bombed train station" don't you understand?

Now, according to your own damn generals, russian army is extremely careful in selecting their targets. So please stop this garbage you copy past from your garbage neocon media.

 

[ZiprHead]

This is the shit Barbos has been fed.

Everyone in Ukraine is a nazi and must be eradicated along with the whole entire country.

I don't read that particular site at all. I mostly follow youtube bloggers.
But yeah. that "shit" seems to be consistent with my own conclusion based on available data I trust. "too late for half measures" consensus is starting to form in Russia and .... Ukraine. And no. I am not being fed shit, it is you who is being fed shit.

And by youtube bloggers I mean neutral to pro-russian sane people from Ukraine.
Some initially neutral are slowly drifting to pro-russia now. They are literally fed up with shit nazis are pulling.

It confirms the genocidal nature of the Russian attack.

 

[laughing dog]

You do realize that "defenders" of Mariupol, "battalion" or rather regiment called Azov was designated as a neo-nazi organization by US Congress? Maybe they changed it already. But it is what it was.

Yeah, this who neo-nazi bullshit is well... bullshit. Anti-Semitism is more like a fashion trend in Eastern Europe. It is employed in Russia as much as in Ukraine, so enough of 'but those people are neo-nazis'. Yes, some of those fighting are. But Ukraine and Russia have a lot of neo-nazis... and Russia's actions against Ukraine has nothing to do with "nazis".

According to latest data, Azov has 2000-3000 men in Mariupol, plus 200-300 western mercenaries. Regular (not-quite-nazi) ukrainian marines surrendered yesterday, 260 of them I understand.

Kind of handwaving the destruction of Mariupol, but I can understand why. You say the nazis are responsible for the destruction, yet say the nazis are defending the place. You really are all over the place, but when you don't have a viable position to defend Russia's actions with, that is kind of what you are left with.

JImmy - the Russians are the "nazis".

 

[barbos]

It confirms the genocidal nature of the Russian attack.

In your mind maybe.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yeah, this who neo-nazi bullshit is well... bullshit.

US Congress is bullshit? Got it.

Man, you really have no argument when you have snip out context to try and score a web board point.

Russia lacks the capabilities to shell/bomb Ukraine and just take out the "terrorists" and "nazis". Hospital, theater, train station... don't worry, only terrorists and nazis were there.

What part of "Ukrainians bombed train station" don't you understand?

Ukrainian bombed train station, hospital, theater... yeah all of it. Except when Russia did it... and then there were only "nazis" and/or "terrorists" there. Mariupol was bombed heavily by Ukraine (or Russia when "nazis" were killed)... because that just makes sense!

Now, according to your own damn generals, russian army is extremely careful in selecting their targets. So please stop this garbage you copy past from your garbage neocon media.

No. Not according to our "own damn generals".

 

[ZiprHead]

It confirms the genocidal nature of the Russian attack.

In your mind maybe.

I'm sure you can read the words in whatever language you choose.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This is the shit Barbos has been fed.

Everyone in Ukraine is a nazi and must be eradicated along with the whole entire country.

I don't read that particular site at all. I mostly follow youtube bloggers.
But yeah. that "shit" seems to be consistent with my own conclusion based on available data I trust. "too late for half measures" consensus is starting to form in Russia and .... Ukraine. And no. I am not being fed shit, it is you who is being fed shit.

And by youtube bloggers I mean neutral to pro-russian sane people from Ukraine.
Some initially neutral are slowly drifting to pro-russia now. They are literally fed up with shit nazis are pulling.

It confirms the genocidal nature of the Russian attack.

The word "genocide" gets thrown around too liberally these days. Ukraine is the victim of a viscous and unethical (completely unnecessary) invasion by Russia. The odd part is that Russians are dying in high numbers. And barbos is having a hard time deciding whether the nazis are killing Russias or Ukrainians (both?). The nazis are very well stocked up on shells and bombs (air force?) too.

 

[steve_bank]

In the news Russia is massing new troops. I don't think Putin will stop until he is stopped or Ukraine is destroyed.

The new general in chrge has a history in Syria of levelng towns. No moral restraints. Kill and destroy.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In the news Russia is massing new troops. I don't think Putin will stop until he is stopped or Ukraine is destroyed.

The new general in chrge has a history in Syria of levelng towns. No moral restraints. Kill and destroy.

Putin wants the east half of Ukraine... well, he wanted it all, but it became apparent he didn't have the army to pull that off when Ukraine refused to fold. And Ukraine has been bombing Mariupol for a while now too... because... umm...

... line?

 

[barbos]

Yeah, this who neo-nazi bullshit is well... bullshit.

US Congress is bullshit? Got it.

Man, you really have no argument when you have snip out context to try and score a web board point.

Russia lacks the capabilities to shell/bomb Ukraine and just take out the "terrorists" and "nazis". Hospital, theater, train station... don't worry, only terrorists and nazis were there.

What part of "Ukrainians bombed train station" don't you understand?

Ukrainian bombed train station, hospital, theater... yeah all of it. Except when Russia did it... and then there were only "nazis" and/or "terrorists" there. Mariupol was bombed heavily by Ukraine (or Russia when "nazis" were killed)... because that just makes sense!

Now, according to your own damn generals, russian army is extremely careful in selecting their targets. So please stop this garbage you copy past from your garbage neocon media.

No. Not according to our "own damn generals".

Utter garbage.


Now about Bucha:
I've watched the video. You don't need to be a forensic expert to see that corpses absolutely can not be 3 weeks old. So satellite pictures are useless and irrelevant garbage. Some have white arm bands. One of the men says on camera "they were shot randomly for no reason", does not say by whom. I presume russians are implied, but he does not say that. And I get impression that event was recent not 3 weeks old.
Why mayor was not aware of that is beyond me.

Satellite images are not relevant because these bodies are not 3 weeks old.
Video was posted by April 8 but taken on April 2 it seems.

I am trying to devise scenario where russians started shooting people while leaving on march 30. But smiling Mayor just does not make sense, unless they were all shot after he recorded his smiling video. I guess it's possible Mayor recorded and posted video without actually checking his own damn town. But then waited 4 days even after ukrainian millitay entered city and discovered bodies. This does not make much sense.

 

[TV and credit cards]

With Putin holding fast to his commitment to destroying Ukraine, we should up the game to supplying and training if necessary Ukraine in tit for tat conventional weapons. That is, give them the precision munitions needed to destroy military/strategic targets within Russia.
Take the fight to Russian soil. For the children.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yeah, this who neo-nazi bullshit is well... bullshit.

US Congress is bullshit? Got it.

Man, you really have no argument when you have snip out context to try and score a web board point.

Russia lacks the capabilities to shell/bomb Ukraine and just take out the "terrorists" and "nazis". Hospital, theater, train station... don't worry, only terrorists and nazis were there.

What part of "Ukrainians bombed train station" don't you understand?

Ukrainian bombed train station, hospital, theater... yeah all of it. Except when Russia did it... and then there were only "nazis" and/or "terrorists" there. Mariupol was bombed heavily by Ukraine (or Russia when "nazis" were killed)... because that just makes sense!

Now, according to your own damn generals, russian army is extremely careful in selecting their targets. So please stop this garbage you copy past from your garbage neocon media.

No. Not according to our "own damn generals".

Utter garbage.

Wow... that was a thorough review. You make wild accusations about Ukraine attacking itself and when saying it sounds ridiculous, you say "utter garbage".

Now about Bucha:
I've watched the video. You don't need to be a forensic expert to see that corpses absolutely can not be 3 weeks old. So satellite pictures are useless and irrelevant garbage. Some have white arm bands. One of the men says on camera "they were shot randomly for no reason", does not say by whom. I presume russians are implied, but he does not say that. And I get impression that event was recent not 3 weeks old.
Why mayor was not aware of that is beyond me.

Satellite images are not relevant because these bodies are not 3 weeks old.

Nothing is relevant, all that matters is denial that Russia has committed wrongs by invading Ukraine.

 

[barbos]

Wow... that was a thorough review. You make wild accusations about Ukraine attacking itself and when saying it sounds ridiculous, you say "utter garbage".

Yes, you keep posting random word salad.
US Congress designated Azov as a neo-nazi orgabization and refused to give them money/training. Your comments please.

Nothing is relevant, all that matters is denial that Russia has committed wrongs by invading Ukraine.

4 days man, during which mayor was utterly oblivious. And actually the same with ukrainian government which posted a video of ukrainians patrolling the streets without any bodies lying around.