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[Ford]

Well, they aren't being punished. White people still control the vast majority of power and wealth in the US.

That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

I must have missed it, but perhaps you could explain how Robert E. Lee was one of the founders of this country?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/11/23/thomas-jefferson-statue-removed-nyc-slaveowner/

I'm sorry...you'll have to explain to me who this "Jefferson" person is. The only historical figures I'm aware of are the ones with statues. If this "Jefferson" guy had more statues then everyone would know his name. You know the old saying...history is written with statues, and once a statue is removed, the history of that person is erased. I mean...how are we supposed to learn history...from books?

 

[Elixir]

I mean...how are we supposed to learn history...from books?

The tragedy is that across the political spectrum, as one looks from left to right the likelihood of a person learning from books diminishes radically. The people who most need to learn, end up learning only whose statue was cancelled by lib’ruls, and never a whisper about why reaches their ears.

 

[Patooka]

I'm sorry...you'll have to explain to me who this "Jefferson" person is. The only historical figures I'm aware of are the ones with statues. If this "Jefferson" guy had more statues then everyone would know his name. You know the old saying...history is written with statues, and once a statue is removed, the history of that person is erased. I mean...how are we supposed to learn history...from books?

Or you could be like RVonse and mistake mythology as history.

 

[RVonse]

If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

What makes you think there are no white people who despise racism and slavery?
You’re not the only white person around.

If white people didn’t control this country, the US Senate wouldn’t be 89% white.

Why wouldn't it be? The US is 61% white with many small white population states getting more representation in the senate than would otherwise happen without the electorial college.

2020 Census Illuminates Racial and Ethnic Composition of the Country

Today’s release of 2020 Census data provides a new snapshot of the racial and ethnic composition of the country.

www.census.gov

I think you missed the point. Black 1%ers isn't a thing and white people hold the majority of political positions in this country. This goes for all three arms of our (yes I said our) government. Heck even when slavery was abolished it wasn't black people that did it. We just marched our asses off and got violently fucked around every corner. It was white people that agreed to and had the power to make amendments. Still the case today. I admit I don't care about some statue getting torn down (no matter whose statue it is) what I care about is America turning to tyranny out of fear and ignorance as a result of "we the people" putting self-centered simpletons in powerful positions.

I respect all what you have to say here.

But I still don't think 2 wrongs make a right. And no argument this country wasn't perfect and still isn't perfect. But all that needs to end when political activists attempts to indoctrinate all of the youth into hating and tearing down their own legacy.

Its just not healthy for anyone living today. It really is very much the beginning stages of exactly what happened to jews circa 1939 Germany.

I can agree we did (and sometimes do) some really bad shit without agreeing we should throw 1%er whites to the dogs. Even if they might deserve it.

 

[RVonse]

Now he's not responding... kinda like a certain creature from Norse mythology that dwells in caves, under bridges etc.

I enjoy coming here but I can't spend my whole day at the keyboard. Sorry.

 

[RVonse]

Well, they aren't being punished. White people still control the vast majority of power and wealth in the US.

That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

I must have missed it, but perhaps you could explain how Robert E. Lee was one of the founders of this country?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/11/23/thomas-jefferson-statue-removed-nyc-slaveowner/

I'm sorry...you'll have to explain to me who this "Jefferson" person is. The only historical figures I'm aware of are the ones with statues. If this "Jefferson" guy had more statues then everyone would know his name. You know the old saying...history is written with statues, and once a statue is removed, the history of that person is erased. I mean...how are we supposed to learn history...from books?

First it is their statues....and then it is their books and what they teach their youth. After more indoctrination they can be treated like animals and then thrown into the camps....

 

[RVonse]

That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders. It would be the act of an insane person to destroy their own legacy.

Perhaps white people do still have the most money. But what good did having money do for the jews in Germany?

Founders aren't automatically good guys. The left doesn't automatically worship people because of the position they held.

And note that most of the statues that have been torn down are Jim Crow era symbols of repression, not statues of founders anyway.

The founders might not have been nights in white shining armer but they were still the founders of this country. Good or bad, you can not just erase them.

 

[Ford]

Well, they aren't being punished. White people still control the vast majority of power and wealth in the US.

That's demonstratedly false. If white people still controlled this country, they would not be tearing down statues of their founders.

I must have missed it, but perhaps you could explain how Robert E. Lee was one of the founders of this country?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/11/23/thomas-jefferson-statue-removed-nyc-slaveowner/

I'm sorry...you'll have to explain to me who this "Jefferson" person is. The only historical figures I'm aware of are the ones with statues. If this "Jefferson" guy had more statues then everyone would know his name. You know the old saying...history is written with statues, and once a statue is removed, the history of that person is erased. I mean...how are we supposed to learn history...from books?

First it is their statues....and then it is their books and what they teach their youth. After more indoctrination they can be treated like animals and then thrown into the camps....

Yes, because nobody in the United States has ever heard of Benedict Arnold. He never even HAD a statue, so how can we possibly know anything about him?

 

[Jarhyn]

So, I'll point out here that I don't think anyone on the left is asking to ban books.

I wouldn't support the banning of Mein Kampf, as odious as that "work" is, nor the Bible.

I don't think the toppling of Hitler statues erased him, either.

 

[RVonse]

So, I'll point out here that I don't think anyone on the left is asking to ban books.

I wouldn't support the banning of Mein Kampf, as odious as that "work" is, nor the Bible.

I don't think the toppling of Hitler statues erased him, either.

But the point is how everything happened before and is on track progressing to happen again. We have accumulated more technology, but human beings ourselves are basically the same animals with the same flaws, traits, and demeanor.

Many have wondered why the Jewish people did not leave their homes long before the rail cars came to pick them up, because they had that opportunity.

I'm guessing the Jews thought exactly as you do....

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Yes, because nobody in the United States has ever heard of Benedict Arnold. He never even HAD a statue, so how can we possibly know anything about him?

A minor quibble, but he does have a statue.

 

[Elixir]

The founders might not have been nights

Nights?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So, I'll point out here that I don't think anyone on the left is asking to ban books.

I wouldn't support the banning of Mein Kampf, as odious as that "work" is, nor the Bible.

I don't think the toppling of Hitler statues erased him, either.

But the point is how everything happened before and is on track progressing to happen again. We have accumulated more technology, but human beings ourselves are basically the same animals with the same flaws, traits, and demeanor.

Many have wondered why the Jewish people did not leave their homes long before the rail cars came to pick them up, because they had that opportunity.

I'm guessing the Jews thought exactly as you do....

Funny, because you supported the guy driving the train.

 

[ZiprHead]

Inside Trump '25: A radical plan for Trump’s second term

Allies want to empower him to purge potentially thousands of civil servants.

www.axios.com

The heart of the plan is derived from an executive order known as “Schedule F,” developed and refined in secret over most of the second half of Trump’s term and launched 13 days before the 2020 election.

The reporting for this series draws on extensive interviews over a period of more than three months with more than two dozen people close to the former president, and others who have firsthand knowledge of the work underway to prepare for a potential second term. Most spoke on condition of anonymity to describe sensitive planning and avoid Trump’s ire.

They intend to stack thousands of mid-level staff jobs. Well-funded groups are already developing lists of candidates selected often for their animus against the system — in line with Trump’s long-running obsession with draining “the swamp.” This includes building extensive databases of people vetted as being committed to Trump and his agenda.

The preparations are far more advanced and ambitious than previously reported. What is happening now is an inversion of the slapdash and virtually non-existent infrastructure surrounding Trump ahead of his 2017 presidential transition.

These groups are operating on multiple fronts: shaping policies, identifying top lieutenants, curating an alternative labor force of unprecedented scale, and preparing for legal challenges and defenses that might go before Trump-friendly judges, all the way to a 6-3 Supreme Court.

 

[Derec]

The tragedy is that across the political spectrum, as one looks from left to right the likelihood of a person learning from books diminishes radically. The people who most need to learn, end up learning only whose statue was cancelled by lib’ruls, and never a whisper about why reaches their ears.

The tragedy is that those on the left actually believe that.

 

[Politesse]

So, I'll point out here that I don't think anyone on the left is asking to ban books.

I wouldn't support the banning of Mein Kampf, as odious as that "work" is, nor the Bible.

I don't think the toppling of Hitler statues erased him, either.

But the point is how everything happened before and is on track progressing to happen again. We have accumulated more technology, but human beings ourselves are basically the same animals with the same flaws, traits, and demeanor.

Many have wondered why the Jewish people did not leave their homes long before the rail cars came to pick them up, because they had that opportunity.

I'm guessing the Jews thought exactly as you do....

The Jewish question began with attempts to remove statues of slavers from public squares? Citations, please.

 

[Bomb#20]

Yes, because nobody in the United States has ever heard of Benedict Arnold. He never even HAD a statue, so how can we possibly know anything about him?

A minor quibble, but he does have a statue.

You mean this one?

 

[Swammerdami]

The tragedy is that across the political spectrum, as one looks from left to right the likelihood of a person learning from books diminishes radically. The people who most need to learn, end up learning only whose statue was cancelled by lib’ruls, and never a whisper about why reaches their ears.

The tragedy is that those on the left actually believe that.

After controlling for other demographic factors, people voting D are, on average, better educated and better informed than people voting R. You really didn't know that?

 

[Ford]

The tragedy is that across the political spectrum, as one looks from left to right the likelihood of a person learning from books diminishes radically. The people who most need to learn, end up learning only whose statue was cancelled by lib’ruls, and never a whisper about why reaches their ears.

The tragedy is that those on the left actually believe that.

After controlling for other demographic factors, people voting D are, on average, better educated and better informed than people voting R. You really didn't know that?

It shouldn't be at all surprising, really. The right embraces ignorance as a matter of course. Bringing it back to Trump and January 6th, the hearings have shown us that people all up the GOP food chain knew there was no "widespread voter fraud," but they stuck with the narrative to the point of political violence. It is difficult to come to any conclusion other than that they consider their "base" to be gullible rubes.

Here in AZ, the outgoing governor is on the outs with Trump because he certified the election results despite Trump calling him literally while he was signing the papers. The GOP front-runner has her photo side by side with Trump on her campaign signs, and insists that the election was "stolen." I'm not certain, but I'd be willing to bet that she's well aware that the election was not stolen at all. Like Trump, I've got just a couple degrees of separation from Kari Lake. I knew her former TV co-host and his wife, and other people who worked at the local Fox affiliate. She is not stupid. She's running a grift.

 

[Elixir]

The tragedy is that across the political spectrum, as one looks from left to right the likelihood of a person learning from books diminishes radically. The people who most need to learn, end up learning only whose statue was cancelled by lib’ruls, and never a whisper about why reaches their ears.

The tragedy is that those on the left actually believe that.

Well, maybe we wouldn’t, if you didn’t keep providing evidence that it’s true.