DeSantis signs bill requiring FL students, professors to register political views with state

[Loren Pechtel]

Florida has citizen initiatives. Collect enough signatures and your proposal goes on the ballot. Get enough votes and the Florida Constitution is amended.

I don't know specifically about Florida but many red states are trying to limit initiatives after they saw what happened in Kansas.

 

[Jarhyn]

Florida has citizen initiatives. Collect enough signatures and your proposal goes on the ballot. Get enough votes and the Florida Constitution is amended.

I don't know specifically about Florida but many red states are trying to limit initiatives after they saw what happened in Kansas.

Florida voters did that kind of thing TWICE in recent history and TWICE the legislature of Florida and DeSantis worked to thwart the will of the people. There's another thread on the front of the forum about DeSantis, the Florida GQP, and bad faith surrounding a Florida voters initiative!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Florida has citizen initiatives. Collect enough signatures and your proposal goes on the ballot. Get enough votes and the Florida Constitution is amended.

I don't know specifically about Florida but many red states are trying to limit initiatives after they saw what happened in Kansas.

Yeah, democracy and the will of the people means little when it comes to the GOP, especially if that includes an increased voter turnout.

 

[laughing dog]

Florida has citizen initiatives. Collect enough signatures and your proposal goes on the ballot. Get enough votes and the Florida Constitution is amended.

I don't know specifically about Florida but many red states are trying to limit initiatives after they saw what happened in Kansas.

Yeah, democracy and the will of the people means little when it comes to the GOP, especially if that includes an increased voter turnout.

Or gets Trump out of office.

 

[Gospel]

I was calling simply booting out elected officials and replacing them as anti-democratic. Normally you only get rid of elected officials by recall elections or them resigning or dying.

I get that; my point was that Florida is a democracy and what happens in Broward County is up to all the people of Florida to decide. Floridians elected DeSantis to a job that comes with the authority to boot out local officials. If the people of Florida want counties to have more autonomy than that, they're free to vote for state legislators who will pass a law to reduce the governor's authority over local government. So if the governor tries to simply boot out a state judge or a legislator, that would be anti-democratic; but doing it to a local official is just democracy in action. You and I may think what DeSantis did stinks, but it's up to Floridians to decide whether that's how they want their state to operate.

Breaking News!! Some woke Florida Governor suspended every local official registered to vote as a republican. Trump supporters and DeSantis (who is currently being investigated for staging a coup on Monroe St last November) has returned to the crime scene to demand justice! More at 11.

 

[ZiprHead]

Ron DeSantis's "Don't Say Gay" law is even preventing teachers from giving bandaids to students

When a student in Angela’s first grade class developed a hacking cough one morning early last week, her first instinct as a teacher was to send the child off to the nurse’s office. It was muscle memory from a decade already spent in the classroom, the...

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Over the summer, the administrators of her well-regarded K-8 school sent staffers a series of memos outlining new protocols and precautions for the year to come. Among the changes was the stipulation that students would no longer be eligible to visit the nurse’s office or receive any kind of care from school staff unless their parents filled out a consent form.

“We’ve been instructed to not even give a bandaid to a child if they have a cut,” explains Angela, who is speaking under a pseudonym to maintain both her anonymity and her job. “Even if their arm is hanging off, we can’t call 911 unless the family has consented to their child being cared for.”

Further complicating matters was the fact that teachers are not permitted access to the database of consenting parents. Angela was thus obligated to call the nurse’s office to check whether the coughing student was eligible to receive care, a call she was forced to make over and over again as the inundated office proved unreachable.

Angela suggested that the student text her parents, but that too went unanswered. Time ticked by as the first grader sat coughing at her desk, with her teacher desperate to help but unable to do so without risking termination. Having spent 11 years working in schools attended by mostly low-income students, Angela was unsurprised by the lack of immediate response to the text.

 

[Bomb#20]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ing-teachers-from-giving-bandaids-to-students

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“We’ve been instructed to not even give a bandaid to a child if they have a cut,” explains Angela, who is speaking under a pseudonym to maintain both her anonymity and her job. “Even if their arm is hanging off, we can’t call 911 unless the family has consented to their child being cared for.”
...

I read the article to see if anything in it backed up the "preventing teachers from giving bandaids to students" claim. All it said was:

"The strict limitation on medical treatment was the county’s cautious interpretation of DeSantis’s infamous and purposely vague “Parental Rights in Education Act,” which he pushed through the legislature last spring."​

If the law says anything that implies teachers mustn't give bandaids to children, the anonymous Daily Kos journalist "Community member" elected not to point it out. Stipulating that DeSantis has his head up his ass, we might want to consider the possibility that whichever county official is in charge of interpreting Acts has the same topology.

 

[laughing dog]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ing-teachers-from-giving-bandaids-to-students

...
“We’ve been instructed to not even give a bandaid to a child if they have a cut,” explains Angela, who is speaking under a pseudonym to maintain both her anonymity and her job. “Even if their arm is hanging off, we can’t call 911 unless the family has consented to their child being cared for.”
...

I read the article to see if anything in it backed up the "preventing teachers from giving bandaids to students" claim. All it said was:

"The strict limitation on medical treatment was the county’s cautious interpretation of DeSantis’s infamous and purposely vague “Parental Rights in Education Act,” which he pushed through the legislature last spring."​

If the law says anything that implies teachers mustn't give bandaids to children, the anonymous Daily Kos journalist "Community member" elected not to point it out. Stipulating that DeSantis has his head up his ass, we might want to consider the possibility that whichever county official is in charge of interpreting Acts has the same topology.

We could, but anyone with any actual experience with public school administrations would expect them to act with extreme caution when it comes to such laws. In fact, a number of posters predicted just that. But their predictions were dismissed by other posters with same topology.

 

[Bomb#20]

If the law says anything that implies teachers mustn't give bandaids to children, the anonymous Daily Kos journalist "Community member" elected not to point it out. Stipulating that DeSantis has his head up his ass, we might want to consider the possibility that whichever county official is in charge of interpreting Acts has the same topology.

We could, but anyone with any actual experience with public school administrations would expect them to act with extreme caution when it comes to such laws. In fact, a number of posters predicted just that. But their predictions were dismissed by other posters with same topology.

A number of posters predicted administrations would act with "caution" so extreme they'd stop letting teachers give out bandaids?

If the possibility of misinterpretation by an idiot were a good reason not to pass a law then we'd have to abandon lawmaking altogether. "You cannot make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious".

 

[Jarhyn]

A number of posters predicted administrations would act with "caution" so extreme they'd stop letting teachers give out bandaids?

Yes. We all predicted this law would lead to stupidity such as people having difficulties with bringing kids to the bathroom.

This is in that same general ballpark of stupid.

Yes, we all pointed out that the purpose was to cripple school districts and teachers.

This is exactly what is happening: the crippling of school districts and teachers.

 

[laughing dog]

If the law says anything that implies teachers mustn't give bandaids to children, the anonymous Daily Kos journalist "Community member" elected not to point it out. Stipulating that DeSantis has his head up his ass, we might want to consider the possibility that whichever county official is in charge of interpreting Acts has the same topology.

We could, but anyone with any actual experience with public school administrations would expect them to act with extreme caution when it comes to such laws. In fact, a number of posters predicted just that. But their predictions were dismissed by other posters with same topology.

A number of posters predicted administrations would act with "caution" so extreme they'd stop letting teachers give out bandaids?

Just once would you try to see the forest instead of the bark on a tree?

If the possibility of misinterpretation by an idiot were a good reason not to pass a law then we'd have to abandon lawmaking altogether. "You cannot make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious".

True, but it is an additional reason to avoid passing stupid or poorly considered laws like the ones in question.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ing-teachers-from-giving-bandaids-to-students

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“We’ve been instructed to not even give a bandaid to a child if they have a cut,” explains Angela, who is speaking under a pseudonym to maintain both her anonymity and her job. “Even if their arm is hanging off, we can’t call 911 unless the family has consented to their child being cared for.”
...

I read the article to see if anything in it backed up the "preventing teachers from giving bandaids to students" claim. All it said was:

"The strict limitation on medical treatment was the county’s cautious interpretation of DeSantis’s infamous and purposely vague “Parental Rights in Education Act,” which he pushed through the legislature last spring."​

If the law says anything that implies teachers mustn't give bandaids to children, the anonymous Daily Kos journalist "Community member" elected not to point it out. Stipulating that DeSantis has his head up his ass, we might want to consider the possibility that whichever county official is in charge of interpreting Acts has the same topology.

The law prohibits medical care without parental consent and keeps teachers from knowing who has given consent. Thus even bandaids must go through the nurse--if available. Unintended consequences but that's what the law requires.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

If the law says anything that implies teachers mustn't give bandaids to children, the anonymous Daily Kos journalist "Community member" elected not to point it out. Stipulating that DeSantis has his head up his ass, we might want to consider the possibility that whichever county official is in charge of interpreting Acts has the same topology.

We could, but anyone with any actual experience with public school administrations would expect them to act with extreme caution when it comes to such laws. In fact, a number of posters predicted just that. But their predictions were dismissed by other posters with same topology.

A number of posters predicted administrations would act with "caution" so extreme they'd stop letting teachers give out bandaids?

If the possibility of misinterpretation by an idiot were a good reason not to pass a law then we'd have to abandon lawmaking altogether. "You cannot make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious".

Congratulations, you just got fired a second time. This time you gave a kid a latex bandaid who is allergic to latex. Soccer moms for Liberty are organizing against you in facebook groups and trying to sue the school. You can probably get a job in another state as an uber driver if you change your name.

 

[Jarhyn]

If the law says anything that implies teachers mustn't give bandaids to children, the anonymous Daily Kos journalist "Community member" elected not to point it out. Stipulating that DeSantis has his head up his ass, we might want to consider the possibility that whichever county official is in charge of interpreting Acts has the same topology.

We could, but anyone with any actual experience with public school administrations would expect them to act with extreme caution when it comes to such laws. In fact, a number of posters predicted just that. But their predictions were dismissed by other posters with same topology.

A number of posters predicted administrations would act with "caution" so extreme they'd stop letting teachers give out bandaids?

If the possibility of misinterpretation by an idiot were a good reason not to pass a law then we'd have to abandon lawmaking altogether. "You cannot make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious".

Congratulations, you just got fired a second time. This time you gave a kid a latex bandaid who is allergic to latex. Soccer moms for Liberty are organizing against you in facebook groups and trying to sue the school. You can probably get a job in another state as an uber driver if you change your name.

And let's be clear, Soccer Moms for Perfection don't really care about you, or Little Billy with a latex rash.

They were just trolling on the rule of large numbers, because their real target is suing the school any which way, either out of greed or hate or both: they are greedy and they see the school as something they want to destroy. Win-Win!

The law was passed knowing they were there waiting in the wings.

 

[IIDB Staff]

Derail on Pregnancy is moved to:

Split - Popuation Control and Pregnancy Insurance (was DeSantis survey)

I concur that it makes good sense to acknowledge the degree to which any person tried to minimize their moral shortcomings. IMO, there are no saints. I eat meat, but I acknowledge the moral issues it brings, as well as the environmental issues it leads to. If and when vat grown meat can be...

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Users are always welcome to start a new thread and leave a link when a discussion starts to diverge in a thread.

 

[Bomb#20]

I read the article to see if anything in it backed up the "preventing teachers from giving bandaids to students" claim. All it said was:

"The strict limitation on medical treatment was the county’s cautious interpretation of DeSantis’s infamous and purposely vague “Parental Rights in Education Act,” which he pushed through the legislature last spring."​

If the law says anything that implies teachers mustn't give bandaids to children, the anonymous Daily Kos journalist "Community member" elected not to point it out. Stipulating that DeSantis has his head up his ass, we might want to consider the possibility that whichever county official is in charge of interpreting Acts has the same topology.

The law prohibits medical care without parental consent and keeps teachers from knowing who has given consent. Thus even bandaids must go through the nurse--if available. Unintended consequences but that's what the law requires.

I found a link to the law. As far as I can see there's nothing in there prohibiting teachers from knowing who has given consent.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I read the article to see if anything in it backed up the "preventing teachers from giving bandaids to students" claim. All it said was:

"The strict limitation on medical treatment was the county’s cautious interpretation of DeSantis’s infamous and purposely vague “Parental Rights in Education Act,” which he pushed through the legislature last spring."​

If the law says anything that implies teachers mustn't give bandaids to children, the anonymous Daily Kos journalist "Community member" elected not to point it out. Stipulating that DeSantis has his head up his ass, we might want to consider the possibility that whichever county official is in charge of interpreting Acts has the same topology.

The law prohibits medical care without parental consent and keeps teachers from knowing who has given consent. Thus even bandaids must go through the nurse--if available. Unintended consequences but that's what the law requires.

I found a link to the law. As far as I can see there's nothing in there prohibiting teachers from knowing who has given consent.

Who has given consent is protected medical information.

 

[Bomb#20]

The law prohibits medical care without parental consent and keeps teachers from knowing who has given consent. Thus even bandaids must go through the nurse--if available. Unintended consequences but that's what the law requires.

I found a link to the law. As far as I can see there's nothing in there prohibiting teachers from knowing who has given consent.

Who has given consent is protected medical information.

I lost you. Do you mean some other law makes who has given consent protected medical information? If that's what you mean, then what are the grounds for the Daily Kos claiming the "Don't Say Gay" law is preventing teachers from giving bandaids to students? It's that other law, the one that makes who has given consent protected medical information, that's stopping teachers from giving out bandaids.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

"requiring school districts to notify parents of healthcare services and provide parents the opportunity to consent or decline such services;"

What does that do to in loco parentis?

 

[Jarhyn]

"requiring school districts to notify parents of healthcare services and provide parents the opportunity to consent or decline such services;"

What does that do to in loco parentis?

The law requires notification prior to consent.

Because it is notification of medical services rendered or offered, it is protected medical information, and the consent is immediate to the offer making it also protected medical information.

I get that some people don't have an occupational requirement to read this sort of stuff, but as a software engineer who has to code at times with a mind to protect such protected medical information yes, I do have to know what constitutes protected medical information.

The law is structured to legally bind the consent to the information, so only those authorized to handle protected medical information can seek, obtain, or access the fact of consent.