Public schools have no legitimate case for treating it as a fact.
It's a fact that public schools aren't teaching the "white people are bad" doctrine (I call it that because CRT doesn't do that).
How does that follow? People keep assuring us that public schools aren't teaching CRT. Not teaching CRT hardly stops a teacher from teaching "white people are bad". Some folks were spreading the "white people are bad" meme decades before CRT was invented. Centuries, going by the "White man speak with forked tongue." trope.
CRT if at all being taught is done so in private "higher education" facilities.
People make that argument a lot. I don't see why they think this fact is pertinent. Among those higher education facilities where CRT is taught are ones that teach students how to become teachers. It's not as though what future teachers learn in college will have no impact on what and how they end up teaching to grade-school pupils.
Also, I disagree with your "we" vs "they" argument. There is no blanket we or they.
Yes, that's what I said: "But who we should identify with is not the sort of thing history can tell us." Who "we" is is a matter of viewpoint, not a matter of fact. My "we" is different from Elixir's "we". He can identify with people who likely were in one way or another involved in slavery if he wants because they're his ancestors ; I can identify with abolitionists if I want even though they're not my ancestors because I think like them. (I doubt my own antebellum ancestors had an opinion about it one way or the other, since they were subsistence farmers in backwater countries and probably never heard of America until their grandchildren started buying steerage tickets.) So I'm not grokking what you perceive us to be disagreeing about.
What I mean by this is, there were plenty of white people against slavery who helped throughout the civil rights movement. White people today have a right to say "we" if they identify with those brave white people in the past that were against slavery. White people who are ok with slavery today (or discrimination in general) can also rightfully say "we" if they identify with (for example) the Confederate States of America.
Yes, that's how I see it too.
When talking history "they" (which is how public schools teach it) is obviously denoting people in the past.
Well, that's how public schools ought to teach it. How they actually teach it surely varies from teacher to teacher.
What I see some white people doing is taking that "they" and then screaming "we aren't they!" out of nowhere as if responding to some sort of institutionalized proclamation to the contrary.
When Ms. Segal reads the 4% figure in the new curriculum and the first place her mind goes is "Which means we're not that bad.", it's a red-flag suggesting that she thinks like Elixir -- that to her, "we" is she and her fellow ethnic Europeans, so she thinks, yes, we were that bad, we owned "three darkies per person". Since she seems to feel she's being told to teach her pupils it means we're not that bad, that looks to me like evidence that communicating to pupils her point of view about who "we" are
is something she does. So it doesn't
need to be an institutionalized proclamation to the contrary in order to be teaching ideology instead of facts. A noninstitutionalized, spontaneous, one-progressive-teacher-at-a-time proclamation to the contrary is indoctrination too.
I can't speak for other white people who are screaming "we aren't they!". But the rabid pushback happened right after Covid hit, and kids stopped going to classrooms, and started getting taught Zoom lessons, which meant Mom for the first time had a front-row seat to hear what the teacher was saying to her kid. So I'm skeptical of the hypothesis that screaming "we aren't they!" is out of nowhere.
but that doesn't mean it's part of a school curriculum and/or is state-sanctioned discrimination. The same applies to teachers who cross the line. The US constitution and (I presume every) state constitution already had protections in place against that. What we have in Florida is damagingly idiotic at best & obstruction to progress at worst. Because again, CRT is not being taught in public schools while the amendments are affecting what has been getting taught in schools (which DeSantis' constituents don't seem to have had a problem with).
