THE INCREDIBLE WHITENESS OF BEING

[Jolly_Penguin]

This thread is a good comparison point to Axulus' current thread, in which his OP took the position that the high number of black shootings by police is because of black crime rates moreso than racist cops. He tried to back this up with data showing violent crime rates across races and police shootings across races. According to his data, black men are vastly over represented in murder and other violent crime. The immediate response to this observation was to brand Axulus as a racist, as if he has said everything is due to Blackness, even though Axulus and the articles he cited gave many alternative explanations, the poverty correlation being the biggest. He didn't go on about the incredible blackness of being.

Now here we have Athena casually trotting out the bold and racist claim that Whiteness is the cause of conservatives opposing banking regulations, universal health care, and wage protections, and we have the same people jumping to her defence. She cites articles (which lack any data or research as far as I can tell) that assert that white conservatives found their political ideology against wage protection, universal health care, and banking regulation on racism, and that white liberals do too, fearful that the norm will stop being that of whiteness. Apparently everything is about Whiteness and Whiteness is the focus and the problem. The incredible whiteness of being.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I do. I see many poor Indians in my community voting rep due to their religion. I think that minority democrat candidates tend to do a better job of pandering to religious voters on minority areas than in white districts (my opinion). White dems tend to be be less religious.

I mean that white democratic candidates tend to be less religious than democratic minority candidates - IMO. So dems don't fare as well in white areas.

 

[fromderinside]

Why is this OP?

If the attempt is to be a divining rod for white bigotry it is a heavy handed, mostly useless, device.

If it is a call to arms for those who believe racism threatens our social fabric here in the good ole U S of A identifies as causes effects.

Back to the obvious. Amplifying difference is the easiest way to keep control. We always fear so anything that can attach easily that fear is a great hammer. Racism exists as a mechanism for control by authority. The most obvious form is the easiest to amplify. Therefore blacks are front and center. If you don't think humans are animals that use the typical identifiers to organize their lives you are living before in a self deceptive pit.

So that.


Talking of things to which racism is associated is not talking about causes of racism its talking about uses by authority. It may not be possible to disconnect race from discrimination in human attempts to organize in great numbers successfully simply because we are discriminating things.

Racism is more than a control from authority.

It is a way of seeing, a way of believing, a way of living.

It is in the air, it is in the water, and the longer you live in it, the more it is in your soul. It is an existence where the machines not only build and control the Matrix, they are of the Matrix and as much dependent on the Matrix as their human batteries are. Without the Matrix, they not only have no sustenance, they have no purpose.

And like the Matrix, the only way for racism to work is to hide itself from the majority of people living within it.

The red pill is a motherfucker, but blue pill kills your soul.

You know, racism may be all the things you say, but, those things are not matters of rationality in the sense they cannot be divorced from urges and feelings even without authority. Humans like other beings use difference as a primary tool in protecting ourselves from other human beings our greatest threat. So a probable quirk arising from the need to control levels of vitamin D results in a marker which humans use to differentiate us from them.

Perhaps it is possible to bring this difference finding under conscious, therefore, social control with rationalizations and rules. It seems to me that such control is unlike, say, using etiquette to bring about the demise of knife carrying which is merely an object people may or may not carry. We'd need different mechanism to get rid of yellow racism and black racism. So the red pill may be the solution in one case where it is the problem in your scenario. I'm not sure the tactics can be brought together into a common formula.

The seeds of racism lie in first reactions. The control of racism need be personal and continuous and they need to be multi-pronged through social competition, economic competition, even to the point of denying first reactions. Given our wired response is to hit the different button it seems to me the beast way is for mankind to go brown which seems to be trending through our increased mobility.

I suggest we find social ways to encourage cross color joining, getting rid of difference cues, as a first priority rather than trying to rip out something that is, by wiring, linked to difference.

 

[laughing dog]

... which roughly translates to ... "White people oppose banking regulations, wage protection, and universal healthcare, because of whiteness".

No, it doesn't. That is a tremendously shallow and superficial reading the of OP. Substitute "dominant group" for "white people" and "dominance" for "white". Then try it.

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How are we supposed to that this stuff seriously?

By literate reading within context and using one's reasoning powers. Try it just this once.

 

[none]

laughing dog, how can we talk about a minority of white people when we are talking about all white people?

 

[George S]

My kid and I were having one of those rambling conversations people have when there is nothing on TV and raindrops do a soft shoe down window panes. We were speaking of many things and within those many things, the subject of race came up, but not the 'negro problem" but that Pearl of Great Price known as whiteness.

You know, whiteness is a powerful thing. So powerful in fact that it has managed to make slaves out of white people so desperate to hold onto a myth a supremacy that they would rather share whiteness with the white man kicking them in the ass day in and day out, than share better wages, better working conditions, and better benefits with someone who looks like me. Poor and working class white folk all over this country defend austere economic policies and vote for representatives who actively seek to remove any and all worker and wage protections on the books, all for a promise that people of color will get no "special treatment," nothing they have not earned and earned hard. They will depend on a contribution jar left on a convenience store counter and the change strangers get from a ten to pay for the healthcare of their children, rather than demand a broader and more comprehensive universal healthcare at a more affordable price because such a plan might be considered "reparations". They will lose their homes to sub prime mortgage scams rather than demand regulations that could save the limited assets of their families and their generations to come.

Damn strong drug, this whiteness. Blinds you, binds you, then it never minds you.

This, my friend, is a racist rant. Shame on you.

 

[fromderinside]

laughing dog, how can we talk about a minority of white people when we are talking about all white people?

... because they aren't talking about all white people from their perspective. Their error is that racism arises from rational bases so it can be rationally addressed. It doesn't and, really, it can't.

 

[laughing dog]

laughing dog, how can we talk about a minority of white people when we are talking about all white people?

... because they aren't talking about all white people from their perspective. Their error is that racism arises from rational bases so it can be rationally addressed. It doesn't and, really, it can't.

That is obvious from a number of responses in this thread.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

My kid and I were having one of those rambling conversations people have when there is nothing on TV and raindrops do a soft shoe down window panes. We were speaking of many things and within those many things, the subject of race came up, but not the 'negro problem" but that Pearl of Great Price known as whiteness.

You know, whiteness is a powerful thing. So powerful in fact that it has managed to make slaves out of white people so desperate to hold onto a myth a supremacy that they would rather share whiteness with the white man kicking them in the ass day in and day out, than share better wages, better working conditions, and better benefits with someone who looks like me. Poor and working class white folk all over this country defend austere economic policies and vote for representatives who actively seek to remove any and all worker and wage protections on the books, all for a promise that people of color will get no "special treatment," nothing they have not earned and earned hard. They will depend on a contribution jar left on a convenience store counter and the change strangers get from a ten to pay for the healthcare of their children, rather than demand a broader and more comprehensive universal healthcare at a more affordable price because such a plan might be considered "reparations". They will lose their homes to sub prime mortgage scams rather than demand regulations that could save the limited assets of their families and their generations to come.

Damn strong drug, this whiteness. Blinds you, binds you, then it never minds you.

This, my friend, is a racist rant. Shame on you.

No dear, it isn't. But you already know that. You won't admit that. But you know it.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

No, it doesn't. That is a tremendously shallow and superficial reading the of OP. Substitute "dominant group" for "white people" and "dominance" for "white". Then try it.

So you have to imagine she wrote something other than what she actually wrote, so you can see her as not a racist? Why do you read explicitly racist text out of Athena's OP and read it into Axulus' OP?

This phenomenon on this forum is fascinating.

 

[fromderinside]

... because they aren't talking about all white people from their perspective. Their error is that racism arises from rational bases so it can be rationally addressed. It doesn't and, really, it can't.

That is obvious from a number of responses in this thread.

Let me put it another way. "No shit Red Rider".

 

[fromderinside]

No, it doesn't. That is a tremendously shallow and superficial reading the of OP. Substitute "dominant group" for "white people" and "dominance" for "white". Then try it.

So you have to imagine she wrote something other than what she actually wrote, so you can see her as not a racist? Why do you read explicitly racist text out of Athena's OP and read it into Axulus' OP?

This phenomenon on this forum is fascinating.

The problem is in what she wrote, but, not in the way you are suggesting. Racism is a virus and she is talking about treating symptoms.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

The problem is in what she wrote, but, not in the way you are suggesting. Racism is a virus and she is talking about treating symptoms.

Nowhere does she mention racism as something we should treat. She mentions Whiteness. The irony is that in her attempt to speak against racism, she engages directly in racism.

Damn strong drug, this whiteness. Blinds you, binds you, then it never minds you.

 

[none]

Nowhere does she mention racism as something we should treat. She mentions Whiteness. The irony is that in her attempt to speak against racism, she engages directly in racism.

Can we bring Michael Steele to the conversation? would that help you?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Nowhere does she mention racism as something we should treat. She mentions Whiteness. The irony is that in her attempt to speak against racism, she engages directly in racism.

Damn strong drug, this whiteness. Blinds you, binds you, then it never minds you.

Are you really this slow?

 

[George S]

This, my friend, is a racist rant. Shame on you.

No dear, it isn't. But you already know that. You won't admit that. But you know it.

To group by race we have agreed is immoral on its face. Yet you do it. Try the above rant substituting some racial pejorative for the word "whiteness."

You are grouping by skin color. Yet we have agreed that skin color grouping is racist.

Why, again, is this not a racist rant?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

You are grouping by skin color. Yet we have agreed that skin color grouping is racist.

Why, again, is this not a racist rant?

You must have missed the thread where she redefined "racist" so only white people can be that. It can't be a racist rant because it is by a black lady against white people. Perhaps you are like me, and too slow to see this.

 

[George S]

AA,

Imagine a post like this:

You know, blackness is a powerful thing. You can get special advantage over non-blacks through affirmative action. You have the presidency. One of the leading astrophysicists in the world (Neil DeGrasse Tyson), a credit to the black race. You have the attorney general of the United States.

Is the above a racist rant? Of course it is. So was the OP.

 

[Davka]

It's too easy. Might as well just holler "OK, all you racists and narrow-minded bigots, please raise your hands!" Then we could identify them by the ones who complain that it's not nice to force narrow-minded bigots to identify themselves.

 

[none]

AA,

Imagine a post like this:

You know, blackness is a powerful thing. You can get special advantage over non-blacks through affirmative action. You have the presidency. One of the leading astrophysicists in the world (Neil DeGrasse Tyson), a credit to the black race. You have the attorney general of the United States.

Is the above a racist rant? Of course it is. So was the OP.

blackness is a mentality. are you saying your use of "non-blacks" is ideology based?