SCOTUS - AA ... news from the future

[Oleg]

Okay. Do you agree that the use of any test that disadvantages any group is wrong?

Any subjective test, yes.

 

[Oleg]

Personality science is a thing.

What are the 16 Personality Types? By [Myer Briggs]

So Asians have bad personalities?

 

[laughing dog]

Okay. Do you agree that the use of any test that disadvantages any group is wrong?

Any subjective test, yes.

All tests are subjective to some degree. You need to be more specific.

 

[ZiprHead]

Personality science is a thing.

What are the 16 Personality Types? By [Myer Briggs]

So Asians have bad personalities?

Another straw man.

 

[Metaphor]

The value white America puts on sports.

Yes, all those Asians in the NFL and NBA. How did I forget those guys?

nd you keep strawmanning that bullshit. If it were about race, black students wouldn't need to fill out much on their applications.

They practically don't.

Strange. I did that same YouTube search and many white people came up along with black people. I suspect whomever compiled that YouTube list had somewhat of a... bias. And here you are spreading that... bias here.

Did you click on some of those 'many white people'? I clicked on one. She was an admissions officer, not a student.

Affirmative action discriminates by race. It would be better to say why discriminating by race is acceptable, instead of denying the mechanism by which it functions.

 

[Oleg]

Personality science is a thing.

What are the 16 Personality Types? By [Myer Briggs]

So Asians have bad personalities?

Another straw man.

Then why does Harvard use this to discriminate against Asians?

 

[Oleg]

Okay. Do you agree that the use of any test that disadvantages any group is wrong?

Any subjective test, yes.

All tests are subjective to some degree. You need to be more specific.

The SAT and ACT are not subjective. An admissions officer deciding that your skin color is undesirable is.

 

[ZiprHead]

Personality science is a thing.

What are the 16 Personality Types? By [Myer Briggs]

So Asians have bad personalities?

Another straw man.

Then why does Harvard use this to discriminate against Asians?

That has yet to be determined. Why would Harvard want to discrinate against Asians?

 

[Metaphor]

Personality science is a thing.

What are the 16 Personality Types? By [Myer Briggs]

So Asians have bad personalities?

Another straw man.

Then why does Harvard use this to discriminate against Asians?

That has yet to be determined. Why would Harvard want to discrinate against Asians?

Because Harvard has a ideological beliefs and untested premises about the desirable composition of its student body, and, if it relied solely on admission measures such as academic performance, academic aptitude, and extra-curriculars, there would be too many Asians in its student body.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Blacks in Jackson, Mississippi can't drink the fucking water! You don't think that has an impact on school performance?

And whose fault is that btw? The mayor of Jackson is a left-wing black Democrat. He is the son of the former mayor who was btw. a black supremacist. Five out of seven city council members are black, presumably Democrats.
Besides, a) the water issues would affect all residents of Jackson, MS, not just the black ones and b) the water problems were caused by flooding. They would not cause long-term issues with school performance.

It's convenient to blame the Democrat mayor, but the real blame lies with the Republican state government--they don't spend money on things in Democrat areas. The city doesn't have the budget authority to do the needed improvements.

 

[laughing dog]

Okay. Do you agree that the use of any test that disadvantages any group is wrong?

Any subjective test, yes.

All tests are subjective to some degree. You need to be more specific.

The SAT and ACT are not subjective.

Of course they are subjective - people have to make choices on what to ask and how to ask it. The multiple choice questions are objectively assessed but the questions are subjectively chosen. Furthermore, there are essays portions of the both tests which means that not only are the questions subjectively chosen but subjectively graded as well.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

1) As with most "discrimination" it's actually socioeconomic or political.

The word you are looking for is "INERTIAL".

No. That's what the left would have us believe.

At not point in our fucking history were whites held back from opportunities to play in professional sports, so that analogy is stupid.

Affirmative Action is about the chance at being given an opportunity. One that was stolen due to intentional multi-generational discrimination, theft, and restrictions.

Which is basically saying two wrongs make a right.

This smells a bit like a 'we are all sinners' fallacy. To suggest that generational wealth theft and blatant to violent discrimination was somehow a "wrong" and providing a path to a small number of potentially successful college students a bit more weight outside the bare metrics as "wrong" and being "two wrongs don't make a right" is a bald equivalence fallacy.

No. Continuing to harp on generational wealth doesn't make it relevant. Most people do not inherit a meaningful amount of money. What is important is what they learn about handling money.

And you completely missed my point about two wrongs. You still fail to comprehend that people are individuals, not groups. All actions involve individuals. In the past we advantaged Adam over Ann. You seem to believe that advantaging Bethany over Bob somehow fixes this, but in reality it simply creates another case of discrimination. You can't have a negative quantity of discrimination, any discrimination done for the purpose of offsetting prior discrimination actually adds, not subtracts.

Hint: The benefits of AA go to people who weren't harmed by the past discrimination.

How the heck not? My Grandfather benefitted from the GI bill... which made a huge difference for his family (and father). Which then I become a benefactor of. The generational wealth is quite possibly one of the least appreciated wrongs done to blacks in America. We aren't talking about AA making up for people getting dogs lashed at them. We are talking about Plessy v Ferguson, wealth restrictions, home owner restrictions holding several generations of blacks back, keeping them from being able to build legacies for their following generations to build off of. AA doesn't come close to fixing that, but we have to start somewhere... or just tell blacks, it'll work out in another 3 or 4 generations.

Keeping talking of generational wealth doesn't make it so.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How the heck not?

It's an open secret that the black admits overwhelming come from high income families, are biracial, or are children of African or Carrbbean immigrants.

I don't know about the overwhelming part of it but fundamentally this is what happens--AA is easy street for those who would have made it anyway, it does almost nothing for those it's supposed to be helping.

 

[laughing dog]

Keeping talking of generational wealth doesn't make it so.

Generational wealth is an observable fact. Families pass assets. It is delusional to deny the existence of generational wealth.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

To get around the SAT scores of Asian applicants, Harvard uses a personallity score. If Harvard is to be believed, Asians are just too boring to have on campus.

You got that from less than a page and a half of testimony???

The lack of any defense says all we need to know. It's a fudge factor to get the desired results.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Keeping talking of generational wealth doesn't make it so.

Generational wealth is an observable fact. Families pass assets. It is delusional to deny the existence of generational wealth.

How much meaningful inheritance is there??

The fact is that most wealth is passed from parent to child. Those children generally have already established themselves by the time that happens, any wealth inherited at that point isn't going to make much difference in their lives.

Far, far more important is the parenting. That's passed to every child.

 

[laughing dog]

To get around the SAT scores of Asian applicants, Harvard uses a personallity score. If Harvard is to be believed, Asians are just too boring to have on campus.

You got that from less than a page and a half of testimony???

The lack of any defense says all we need to know. It's a fudge factor to get the desired results.

Huh? Clearly the defendants have made a successful defense, otherwise the plaintiffs would have not asked to move the case to the SCOTUS.

 

[laughing dog]

Keeping talking of generational wealth doesn't make it so.

Generational wealth is an observable fact. Families pass assets. It is delusional to deny the existence of generational wealth.

How much meaningful inheritance is there??

The fact is that most wealth is passed from parent to child. Those children generally have already established themselves by the time that happens, any wealth inherited at that point isn't going to make much difference in their lives.

Far, far more important is the parenting. That's passed to every child.

Ah, you conflate your opinion with fact.

 

[ZiprHead]

Personality science is a thing.

What are the 16 Personality Types? By [Myer Briggs]

So Asians have bad personalities?

Another straw man.

Then why does Harvard use this to discriminate against Asians?

That has yet to be determined. Why would Harvard want to discrinate against Asians?

Because Harvard has a ideological beliefs and untested premises about the desirable composition of its student body, and, if it relied solely on admission measures such as academic performance, academic aptitude, and extra-curriculars, there would be too many Asians in its student body.

Do you have proof of this or is this something you removed from your hind quarters?

 

[Playball40]

Why do I bother? The same MAGA racists are here dominating the thread as they do on every interesting topic.