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2023 House vote for speaker

 
 
 
The 20 radicals, though. I wonder what they picture happening. I guess I think they picture McCarthy giving in to every single one of their demands - destroying the speakership and giving those 20 complete control ovr congress. And I guess I picture McCarthy saying, “if that’s what it takes, then I’ll do it. I deserve to be speaker and I never cared about governing anyway, just the title.”
 
I meant a vote in the tally. Looks like he lost the third voter (compared to 1st vote for speaker) in the ninth vote for speaker.

CNN had Freedum Carcass Representative on, when asked about this lasting so long he said he could wait to July to finish this. Someone in the studio in background laughed.
 
Shouldn’t we be seeing reported that Jeffries doesn’t have the votes to be Speaker, seeing he won 11 times?
 
Supposing the rules are rewriten so any one representitive can call to remove a sitting Speaker of the House. Now suppose those GOP House members who supported the insurrection are found to have done so by the DOJ, and are removed as insurrectionists. Then a Democrat can call for removal of a GOP speaker and elect a Democrat as speaker while GOP House ranks are depleted. That would be so way cool!
 
So GOP compromise to give up for night. We need more of these sociopaths in office!
 
I hear that due to cost overruns MSNBC is going to air Groundhog Day all day tomorrow.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Shouldn’t we be seeing reported that Jeffries doesn’t have the votes to be Speaker, seeing he won 11 times?
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Now that Trump has been nominated, everyone should just agree to headline it as another election defeat for Trump.
 
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The seventh vote (#9, Jan 05, 2023, 01:16 PM): all D's for HJ, and one anti-KMC voter switching to endorsing Donald Trump:
  • Byron Donalds: 19: Biggs AZ, Bishop NC, Boebert CO, Brecheen OK, Cloud TX, Clyde GA, Crane AZ, Donalds FL, Good VA, Gosar AZ, Harris MD, Luna FL, Miller IL, Norman SC, Ogles TN, Perry PA, Rosendale MT, Roy TX, Self TX
  • Donald Trump: 1: Gaetz FL
  • "Present": 1: Spartz IL

The eighth vote (#10, Jan 05, 2023, 03:01 PM): two switch to Kevin Hern OK-01.
  • Byron Donalds: 17: Biggs AZ, Bishop NC, Cloud TX, Clyde GA, Crane AZ, Donalds FL, Good VA, Gosar AZ, Harris MD, Luna FL, Miller IL, Norman SC, Ogles TN, Perry PA, Rosendale MT, Roy TX, Self TX
  • Kevin Hern: 2: Boebert CO, Brecheen OK
  • Donald Trump: 1: Gaetz FL
  • "Present": 1: Spartz IL

The ninth vote (#11, Jan 05, 2023, 04:29 PM): MG switches from DT to KH, and one KMC voter decides not to vote.
  • Byron Donalds: 17: Biggs AZ, Bishop NC, Cloud TX, Clyde GA, Crane AZ, Donalds FL, Good VA, Gosar AZ, Harris MD, Luna FL, Miller IL, Norman SC, Ogles TN, Perry PA, Rosendale MT, Roy TX, Self TX
  • Kevin Hern: 3: Boebert CO, Brecheen OK, Gaetz FL
  • "Present": 1: Spartz IL
  • Not Voting: 1: Buck CO

The tenth vote (#12, Jan 05, 2023, 05:52 PM ): some more switch to KH.
  • Byron Donalds: 13: Bishop NC, Cloud TX, Clyde GA, Donalds FL, Good VA, Gosar AZ, Luna FL, Miller IL, Norman SC, Ogles TN, Perry PA, Roy TX, Self TX
  • Kevin Hern: 7: Biggs AZ, Boebert CO, Brecheen OK, Crane AZ, Gaetz FL, Harris MD, Rosendale MT
  • "Present": 1: Spartz IL
  • Not Voting: 1: Buck CO

The eleventh vote (#13, Jan 05, 2023, 07:32 PM ): one more BD voter goes over to KH, and MG reverts to DT
  • Byron Donalds: 12: Bishop NC, Cloud TX, Clyde GA, Donalds FL, Gosar AZ, Luna FL, Miller IL, Norman SC, Ogles TN, Perry PA, Roy TX, Self TX
  • Kevin Hern: 7: Biggs AZ, Boebert CO, Brecheen OK, Crane AZ, Good VA, Harris MD, Rosendale MT
  • Donald Trump: 1: Gaetz FL
  • "Present": 1: Spartz IL
  • Not Voting: 1: Buck CO

There is a slow trend of these right-wing insurgents switching from Byron Donalds to Kevin Hern, but they neither gain nor lose members.

Adjournment (#14, Jan 05, 2023, 08:03 PM): passes 219 - 213, with every Democrat voting against it and one Republican also.
That R: Burchett TN
Two R's did not vote: Brecheen OK, Buck CO
 
Swammerdami said:
Procedural questions:
(1) Do Representatives have assigned seats, or do they move around at will?
(2) A few decades ago, did they not vote with buttons at their seats? Am I misremembering? Or was that system torn out?
(3) The Constitution says only that "The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers." Why can't Jeffries (or anyone) stand up and move that Members be sworn in without a Speaker?
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jonatha said:
Re: 3 - At present there are no Representatives in the House, only Representatives-Elect. They don't become Representatives until they're sworn in, and (apparently) only the Speaker can do that...

Or so I gather...
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Am I not correct that any deliberative body (e.g. the 118th House of Reps) can set its own rules, subject to the formative by-laws (in this case the U.S. Constitution)?

The only Constitutional mention of the House Speaker (outside Amendment XXV, irrelevant here) is that "The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers." Why can't a Member rise and move to defer the chusing of Speaker, to vacate any contrary rules, and to ask the outgoing Speaker, Pelosi of California, to swear in the Members-Elect?

Another question:
(4) McCarthy has already agreed to Gaetz-Boebert demands that the House Rules be emasculated, that business be conducted only with difficulty, and that chaos like this will become the norm. If Scalise is now chused as Speaker, will those concessions apply to his reign?
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
Supposing the rules are rewriten so any one representitive can call to remove a sitting Speaker of the House. Now suppose those GOP House members who supported the insurrection are found to have done so by the DOJ, and are removed as insurrectionists. Then a Democrat can call for removal of a GOP speaker and elect a Democrat as speaker while GOP House ranks are depleted. That would be so way cool!
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So you are advocating that Democrat attorney general remove members of Congress for the express purpose of seizing the Speakership? You don't find anything wrong with that scheme?
 
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ZiprHead said:
[Ted Lieu with a bag of popcorn]
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You know, the Speaker is elected by the whole House. To me, that means that the whole House has the responsibility to find a candidate that can gather a majority behind him. Instead of stuffing their pieholes with popcorn and reveling in Schadenfreude, maybe Dems should reach across the aisle to find some sort of compromise.
 
Ford said:
Now that paradigm is all upside down. The GOP is a hot mess, while the Democrats are disciplined and marching in lockstep. [
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No kidding. Dems have been goose stepping to the Left for years now. It is only a few principled Dems like Manchin and Sinema (now ex Dem) who dared resist the new conformity.
In an odd twist, Trump may have been the best thing to ever happen to the Democratic Party.
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I am not sure this march to the left is going to prove advantageous to the Democratic Party. Right now they are benefiting from the clusterfuck Republicans are in.
 
Derec said:
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ZiprHead said:
[Ted Lieu with a bag of popcorn]
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You know, the Speaker is elected by the whole House. To me, that means that the whole House has the responsibility to find a candidate that can gather a majority behind him. Instead of stuffing their pieholes with popcorn and reveling in Schadenfreude, maybe Dems should reach across the aisle to find some sort of compromise.
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It's not the Democrats fault the Republicunts are so fucking dysfunctional. Kindly spare us your Tucker Carlson-esque sophistry.
 
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