Merged Where the Women Are Strong, the Men Are Good-looking, And All of the Children Are Working Second Shift at the Plant.

[Politesse]

Lets make Lord of the Flies a reality for all those desperate middle-schoolers.

Whoa, I remember reading that one in high school. Was that this "grooming" thing I keep hearing about?

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Lets make Lord of the Flies a reality for all those desperate middle-schoolers.

Whoa, I remember reading that one in high school. Was that this "grooming" thing I keep hearing about?

Well, I was raised on the Little Rascals, Spanky and Our Gang. Hal Roach knew that kids were a lot smarter than adults and wasn't afraid to say it.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Pining for the good old days.

 

[Bronzeage]

I have done a lot of work teaching woodworking, with children, ages 5 to 18. It can be nerve wracking at times, because the supreme goal is to send the child home with no puncture wounds or trauma. The product is secondary. This intense emphasis on safe procedures requires close supervision. When compared to time consumed, very little actual work is done.

The bill is written specifically to relieve the employer of "in locus parentis", which is the burden of the school. Under this legal doctrine, the parent hands over the child to the school, who is now responsible for their safety and health, through all acts of commission and ommission.

In other words, if the school does something, or fails to do something, and the child suffers, the school system is legally liable for damages.

Take away this exemption from the bill and watch it evaporate.

 

[thebeave]

I have done a lot of work teaching woodworking, with children, ages 5 to 18. It can be nerve wracking at times, because the supreme goal is to send the child home with no puncture wounds or trauma. The product is secondary. This intense emphasis on safe procedures requires close supervision. When compared to time consumed, very little actual work is done.

The bill is written specifically to relieve the employer of "in locus parentis", which is the burden of the school. Under this legal doctrine, the parent hands over the child to the school, who is now responsible for their safety and health, through all acts of commission and ommission.

In other words, if the school does something, or fails to do something, and the child suffers, the school system is legally liable for damages.

Take away this exemption from the bill and watch it evaporate.

You reminded me of woodshop in high school in the mid '70's. The focus was on safety for the first couple of days before we even had a chance to turn on a saw. To get the point across the teacher had a small jar filled with clumps of hair where some long haired kid got his hair caught in a drill press. I thing there were some whole fingernails there too, that got yanked out somehow. On the radial arm saw table there was a spray paint outline of a hand with only 2 1/2 fingers, where a kid in a previous year accidently cut his hand pretty badly. He was a classmate of my older sister and she saw him getting rushed through the hallway with the shop teacher, dripping blood along the way. The spray painted hand was a reminder to the kids to pay attention to what you're doing. I don't recall any further accidents like that, so maybe that was an effective strategy.

 

[lpetrich]

The bill is written specifically to relieve the employer of "in locus parentis", which is the burden of the school. Under this legal doctrine, the parent hands over the child to the school, who is now responsible for their safety and health, through all acts of commission and ommission.

That's "in loco parentis", Latin for "in place of the parent".

 

[Toni]

Love the thread title but tiny point of order: the quote was mined from Garrison Kiellor’s Prairie Home Companion set in the fictional Lake Wobegone, Minnesota.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes Toni, we don't need you to remind us Minnesota is fictional.

 

[TomC]

Love the thread title but tiny point of order: the quote was mined from Garrison Kiellor’s Prairie Home Companion set in the fictional Lake Wobegone, Minnesota.

It didn't occur to me that the reference needed explaining. But, I suppose not everyone on IIDB is as old as we are.
Tom

 

[Derec]

This wonderful legislation is being brought to you by the same political party what doesn't want a drag performer reading books about Ruby Bridges to these same children in a public library because such an experience would scar a child for life. However, an after-school job on the killing room floor is just "participating in [a] work-based learning or a school or employer-administered, work-related program."

Aren't drag queen story times for small children? This legislation is about teenagers. Rather disingenuous to compare the two.

 

[laughing dog]

This wonderful legislation is being brought to you by the same political party what doesn't want a drag performer reading books about Ruby Bridges to these same children in a public library because such an experience would scar a child for life. However, an after-school job on the killing room floor is just "participating in [a] work-based learning or a school or employer-administered, work-related program."

Aren't drag queen story times for small children? This legislation is about teenagers. Rather disingenuous to compare the two.

Only to GOP apologists. The obvious point is that same party that is worried about children in a public library are not worried about children in a dangerous or traumatic workplace.

 

[Derec]

Only to GOP apologists. The obvious point is that same party that is worried about children in a public library are not worried about children in a dangerous or traumatic workplace.

No. To all sane people. Teenagers are different than children.
And that is regardless of what we might think about story times with drag queens or what work should be allowable for teenagers.

Even as the laws stand now, teenagers can do paid work although there are restrictions. Note that actual children can't. So the law already makes distinctions you do not want to acknowledge.

 

[Jarhyn]

This wonderful legislation is being brought to you by the same political party what doesn't want a drag performer reading books about Ruby Bridges to these same children in a public library because such an experience would scar a child for life. However, an after-school job on the killing room floor is just "participating in [a] work-based learning or a school or employer-administered, work-related program."

Aren't drag queen story times for small children? This legislation is about teenagers. Rather disingenuous to compare the two.

Only to GOP apologists. The obvious point is that same party that is worried about children in a public library are not worried about children in a dangerous or traumatic workplace.

This more than anything sums up the reality.

There are a few ways to approach any task of administration and leadership:
-you treat it as a machine to enrich yourself.
-you treat it as a machine to maximize sustainable satisfaction in the machine in a way adaptable to change (like a thing to watch grow and live).

I'll let you decide which avenue each primary party is interested in pursuing.

 

[laughing dog]

Only to GOP apologists. The obvious point is that same party that is worried about children in a public library are not worried about children in a dangerous or traumatic workplace.

No. To all sane people. Teenagers are different than children.

To rational people, teenagers are children. Of course teenagers are different from preteens, five year olds and infants, but that they are still children. Its like saying trucks are different that sedans so trucks are not automobiles.

If you bothered to read the OP article instead of kneejerk reactions, the bill allows for exemptions from banned jobs and eliminates employer liability.

 

[TomC]

And that is regardless of what we might think about story times with drag queens or what work should be allowable for teenagers.

That's not the big difference.

The big difference is that a story teller wearing clothes you find inappropriate isn't the risk of young people being maimed by unsafe work conditions.
That's the biggest difference.
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

Only to GOP apologists. The obvious point is that same party that is worried about children in a public library are not worried about children in a dangerous or traumatic workplace.

No. To all sane people. Teenagers are different than children.

To rational people, teenagers are children. Of course teenagers are different from preteens, five year olds and infants, but that they are still children. Its like saying trucks are different that sedans so trucks are not automobiles.

If you bothered to read the OP article instead of kneejerk reactions, the bill allows for exemptions from banned jobs and eliminates employer liability.

I think you make an error in trying to categorize things quite like that.

"Child" is a very weak classifier.

What they are, or the idea that sits behind this idea of childhood and which IS correct, is that a certain number of years are required for development of motor controls and kinesthetic senses.

More years still are required to parse social operations, especially since so much of being social is innate rather than explicitly educated and studied in a teachable way.

It requires the experience of being ignorant in a population of ignorant peers and having to just deal with that for a long, long time because that's really how the world is shaped too.

This is what makes people children.

24 year olds are children to me these days.

 

[Politesse]

Yes Toni, we don't need you to remind us Minnesota is fictional.

I'm assuming her point was more that Minnesota is not Iowa?

 

[Derec]

Yes Toni, we don't need you to remind us Minnesota is fictional.

Nope. Not on the list.

Wyoming is though. So does that mean Dick Cheney doesn't exist either? So who really shot that lawyer?

 

[laughing dog]

Yes Toni, we don't need you to remind us Minnesota is fictional.

I'm assuming her point was more that Minnesota is not Iowa?

That is the point to many Minnesotans. Garrison Keillor on his Prairie Home Companion had an annual show of Iowa jokes like "Why do all the trees in Minnesota lean south? Because Iowa sucks"

 

[Politesse]

My favorite:

Why hasn't the NFL given Iowa a professional team?

Because then Minnesota would want one.

Also:

Why does Minnesota encourage its interested citizens to move to Iowa?

Every time it happens, the IQ of both states improves.