Mississippi Passes "More Dead Kids Please" bill. Texas responds w/ "hold my beer"

[Jarhyn]

Obligation here is intended to mean something to do with duty rather than something to do with what we want.

That's where we have a disconnect; I was referring to a biological imperative, something of which most people subject to its influence are unaware.

Yeah, the biological imperative here is about making us WANT something not making us feel chained to it.

This is where I was going with obligation and the conflicted relationship between a particular class of "breeders" and those who do not, in fact, "breed".

 

[Elixir]

This is where I was going with obligation and the conflicted relationship between a particular class of "breeders" and those who do not, in fact, "breed".

Heh... as always, conflicted feelings that originate with unconscious drives, are the most dangerous kinds.

 

[Toni]

Anybody else out there feel that the term breeder is somewhat offensive?

 

[Elixir]

Anybody else out there feel that the term breeder is somewhat offensive?

I think Jarhyn did that intentionally, referring to “a particular class of” all humans who procreate.

 

[Toni]

Anybody else out there feel that the term breeder is somewhat offensive?

I think Jarhyn did that intentionally, referring to “a particular class of” all humans who procreate.

I know that he did. I understand why, or at least I think I do. That doesn't make it any less derisive or ugly, just as terms directed at other groups are ugly. Some have carried more power than others--a vast understatement! But they are all designed to reduce actual human beings to one characteristic or trait or way of being rather than being actual human beings. Easier to deal with someone who is merely a stereotype, I suppose. In theory. I think it does the opposite. Anyway, further discussion would become a derail and I really am trying to not do that (as much, anymore).

I think using such terms shuts down discussion rather than furthers understanding.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I know that he did. I understand why, or at least I think I do. That doesn't make it any less derisive or ugly, just as terms directed at other groups are ugly. Some have carried more power than others--a vast understatement! But they are all designed to reduce actual human beings to one characteristic or trait or way of being rather than being actual human beings. Easier to deal with someone who is merely a stereotype, I suppose. In theory. I think it does the opposite. Anyway, further discussion would become a derail and I really am trying to not do that (as much, anymore).

I think using such terms shuts down discussion rather than furthers understanding.

Such a typical thing for a breeder to say.

But enough about that. Let's talk about how the alt-right should be parenting, doctoring, and counseling all of our children, from a distance or knowing any of them, because they know best!

 

[Elixir]

Anybody else out there feel that the term breeder is somewhat offensive?

I think Jarhyn did that intentionally, referring to “a particular class of” all humans who procreate.

Easier to deal with someone who is merely a stereotype ....

I think using such terms shuts down discussion rather than furthers understanding.

To some extent I think stereotyping is a useful sort of shorthand... especially when it actually fits the type.
But your point is also well-taken - it's a trap that is easy to fall into, turning a communicative shortcut into a hotbed of misunderstanding.

 

[Toni]

Anybody else out there feel that the term breeder is somewhat offensive?

I think Jarhyn did that intentionally, referring to “a particular class of” all humans who procreate.

Easier to deal with someone who is merely a stereotype ....

I think using such terms shuts down discussion rather than furthers understanding.

To some extent I think stereotyping is a useful sort of shorthand... especially when it actually fits the type.
But your point is also well-taken - it's a trap that is easy to fall into, turning a communicative shortcut into a hotbed of misunderstanding.

Please forgive my use of a vulgar, ugly, bigoted term here: I see breeder in the same way I see the word faggot. And about half a step above all of the racial epithets, except, of course, the n word, which is probably the worst of the lot.

You are correct: using such terms, even the now perhaps fading from the height of its popularity: Karen, is a trap. It reduces individuals to a single stereotypical characteristic. It does the opposite of promoting understanding of meaning, of people, of issues. It is intended to insult and belittle. No one listens after they’ve been insulted.

 

[Jarhyn]

Anybody else out there feel that the term breeder is somewhat offensive?

I think Jarhyn did that intentionally, referring to “a particular class of” all humans who procreate.

Easier to deal with someone who is merely a stereotype ....

I think using such terms shuts down discussion rather than furthers understanding.

To some extent I think stereotyping is a useful sort of shorthand... especially when it actually fits the type.
But your point is also well-taken - it's a trap that is easy to fall into, turning a communicative shortcut into a hotbed of misunderstanding.

Please forgive my use of a vulgar, ugly, bigoted term here: I see breeder in the same way I see the word faggot. And about half a step above all of the racial epithets, except, of course, the n word, which is probably the worst of the lot.

You are correct: using such terms, even the now perhaps fading from the height of its popularity: Karen, is a trap. It reduces individuals to a single stereotypical characteristic. It does the opposite of promoting understanding of meaning, of people, of issues. It is intended to insult and belittle. No one listens after they’ve been insulted.

The fact is I don't like the term much more than you do, but I have no better term with which to refer to an individual who takes "be fruitful and multiply" as a "command" rather than "a suggestion that sounds like fun".

 

[TomC]

fact is I don't like the term much more than you do, but I have no better term with which to refer to an individual who takes "be fruitful and multiply" as a "command" rather than "a suggestion that sounds like fun".

Pretty much this.

My partner has 4 children. He's an above average breeder. Every now and then when I'm annoyed by him I'll say, "Shut up breeder."
Tom

 

[Toni]

Anybody else out there feel that the term breeder is somewhat offensive?

I think Jarhyn did that intentionally, referring to “a particular class of” all humans who procreate.

Easier to deal with someone who is merely a stereotype ....

I think using such terms shuts down discussion rather than furthers understanding.

To some extent I think stereotyping is a useful sort of shorthand... especially when it actually fits the type.
But your point is also well-taken - it's a trap that is easy to fall into, turning a communicative shortcut into a hotbed of misunderstanding.

Please forgive my use of a vulgar, ugly, bigoted term here: I see breeder in the same way I see the word faggot. And about half a step above all of the racial epithets, except, of course, the n word, which is probably the worst of the lot.

You are correct: using such terms, even the now perhaps fading from the height of its popularity: Karen, is a trap. It reduces individuals to a single stereotypical characteristic. It does the opposite of promoting understanding of meaning, of people, of issues. It is intended to insult and belittle. No one listens after they’ve been insulted.

The fact is I don't like the term much more than you do, but I have no better term with which to refer to an individual who takes "be fruitful and multiply" as a "command" rather than "a suggestion that sounds like fun".

I guess I just think of them as zealots. Their fanaticism ( or faith or bigotry) is not limited to reproduction. I’m not certain—well, I take that back: I am certain that calling such people zealots isn’t terribly helpful, either.

Please don’t take me too seriously on this knee jerk reaction to a particular word. I think I’m just in a funny kind of mood. I’m feeling really burnt out re: all of the hyperbolic angst political nonsense. I just need to take myself on a break.

 

[Toni]

fact is I don't like the term much more than you do, but I have no better term with which to refer to an individual who takes "be fruitful and multiply" as a "command" rather than "a suggestion that sounds like fun".

Pretty much this.

My partner has 4 children. He's an above average breeder. Every now and then when I'm annoyed by him I'll say, "Shut up breeder."
Tom

That’s gross.

 

[Elixir]

I guess I just think of them as zealots. Their fanaticism ( or faith or bigotry) is not limited to reproduction. I’m not certain—well, I take that back: I am certain that calling such people zealots isn’t terribly helpful, either.

Even calling them "such people" is ... something.

Please don’t take me too seriously on this knee jerk reaction to a particular word. I think I’m just in a funny kind of mood. I’m feeling really burnt out re: all of the hyperbolic angst political nonsense. I just need to take myself on a break.

Don't worry - I don't think anyone here is going to fault you for pointing out the fringes of bigotry.

 

[Oleg]

fact is I don't like the term much more than you do, but I have no better term with which to refer to an individual who takes "be fruitful and multiply" as a "command" rather than "a suggestion that sounds like fun".

Pretty much this.

My partner has 4 children. He's an above average breeder. Every now and then when I'm annoyed by him I'll say, "Shut up breeder."
Tom

That’s gross.

Nah. It’s funny.

 

[Jarhyn]

Anybody else out there feel that the term breeder is somewhat offensive?

I think Jarhyn did that intentionally, referring to “a particular class of” all humans who procreate.

Easier to deal with someone who is merely a stereotype ....

I think using such terms shuts down discussion rather than furthers understanding.

To some extent I think stereotyping is a useful sort of shorthand... especially when it actually fits the type.
But your point is also well-taken - it's a trap that is easy to fall into, turning a communicative shortcut into a hotbed of misunderstanding.

Please forgive my use of a vulgar, ugly, bigoted term here: I see breeder in the same way I see the word faggot. And about half a step above all of the racial epithets, except, of course, the n word, which is probably the worst of the lot.

You are correct: using such terms, even the now perhaps fading from the height of its popularity: Karen, is a trap. It reduces individuals to a single stereotypical characteristic. It does the opposite of promoting understanding of meaning, of people, of issues. It is intended to insult and belittle. No one listens after they’ve been insulted.

The fact is I don't like the term much more than you do, but I have no better term with which to refer to an individual who takes "be fruitful and multiply" as a "command" rather than "a suggestion that sounds like fun".

I guess I just think of them as zealots. Their fanaticism ( or faith or bigotry) is not limited to reproduction. I’m not certain—well, I take that back: I am certain that calling such people zealots isn’t terribly helpful, either.

Please don’t take me too seriously on this knee jerk reaction to a particular word. I think I’m just in a funny kind of mood. I’m feeling really burnt out re: all of the hyperbolic angst political nonsense. I just need to take myself on a break.

Whatever you want to call the mindset, I guess my point is that some people are going to resent those who are free from such feelings of obligation, and who can't be held to it.

 

[Elixir]

Whatever you want to call the mindset, I guess my point is that some people are going to resent those who are free from such feelings of obligation, and who can't be held to it.

That's about as politely as it can be said, methinks.

 

[TomC]

Whatever you want to call the mindset, I guess my point is that some people are going to resent those who are free from such feelings of obligation, and who can't be held to it.

This is true across the board.

I feel little to no obligation to use excruciatingly politically correct terminology. As a general rule, I avoid being offensive accidentally. But sometimes I mean it.
Tom

 

[Toni]

Anybody else out there feel that the term breeder is somewhat offensive?

I think Jarhyn did that intentionally, referring to “a particular class of” all humans who procreate.

Easier to deal with someone who is merely a stereotype ....

I think using such terms shuts down discussion rather than furthers understanding.

To some extent I think stereotyping is a useful sort of shorthand... especially when it actually fits the type.
But your point is also well-taken - it's a trap that is easy to fall into, turning a communicative shortcut into a hotbed of misunderstanding.

Please forgive my use of a vulgar, ugly, bigoted term here: I see breeder in the same way I see the word faggot. And about half a step above all of the racial epithets, except, of course, the n word, which is probably the worst of the lot.

You are correct: using such terms, even the now perhaps fading from the height of its popularity: Karen, is a trap. It reduces individuals to a single stereotypical characteristic. It does the opposite of promoting understanding of meaning, of people, of issues. It is intended to insult and belittle. No one listens after they’ve been insulted.

The fact is I don't like the term much more than you do, but I have no better term with which to refer to an individual who takes "be fruitful and multiply" as a "command" rather than "a suggestion that sounds like fun".

I guess I just think of them as zealots. Their fanaticism ( or faith or bigotry) is not limited to reproduction. I’m not certain—well, I take that back: I am certain that calling such people zealots isn’t terribly helpful, either.

Please don’t take me too seriously on this knee jerk reaction to a particular word. I think I’m just in a funny kind of mood. I’m feeling really burnt out re: all of the hyperbolic angst political nonsense. I just need to take myself on a break.

Whatever you want to call the mindset, I guess my point is that some people are going to resent those who are free from such feelings of obligation, and who can't be held to it.

OK, I'm belaboring my stupid point but it seems the opposite to me: It seems those who can't/won't/don't want to reproduce are projecting some kind of ugly feeling towards those who do have children with that particular term. I don't really quite get it. I have no angst towards those who are childless by choice or by biology. I'm glad I have my children. I'd do it all over again, in a heart beat. I'd have had more if it had been wise to do so. But that's me and my spouse and our choices. I figure those who choose not to have kids know their own lives better than I do. I figure those who don't have children because they cannot have children or made the decision in order to avoid passing along some illness know their lives better than I do and I have no right to burden anyone with any expectation of explanations, etc.

Again, don't mind me. I'm in an odd kind of mood.

 

[Toni]

Whatever you want to call the mindset, I guess my point is that some people are going to resent those who are free from such feelings of obligation, and who can't be held to it.

This is true across the board.

I feel little to no obligation to use excruciatingly politically correct terminology. As a general rule, I avoid being offensive accidentally. But sometimes I mean it.
Tom

I sometimes get really angry with my spouse--for good reasons, for bad reasons, and occasionally for no real reason. But insulting him? I don't understand people who do that. It's not about avoiding being offensive. It's about basic respect.

 

[TomC]

I sometimes get really angry with my spouse--for good reasons, for bad reasons, and occasionally for no real reason. But insulting him? I don't understand people who do that. It's not about avoiding being offensive. It's about basic respect.

Not everyone does what they do for the reasons you would do it if you did.
Tom