George Zimmerman Arrested On Domestic Violence And Weapons Charge

[RavenSky]

From Wikipedia:
In Florida, stand-your-ground law states that an individual has no duty to retreat from any place they have lawful right to be and may use any level of force, including lethal, if they reasonably believe they face an imminent and immediate threat of serious bodily harm or death.

Martin had the right to use force in this situation.

He would have a huge burden to get that.

Apparently not. Look what Zimmerman got away with.

 

[RavenSky]

Once again, no evidence of pounding.

Once again, downward motion of arms and wounds on back the head consistent with a pounding.

Also consistent with trying to get the fuck away from the asshole who just grabbed you and dragged you both to the ground.

Stronger evidence for zero "pounding" is no injuries consistent with a beating anywhere on Zimmerman

 

[Deepak]

He would have a huge burden to get that.

Apparently not. Look what Zimmerman got away with.

Of all the statements made about Martin by Zimmerman supporters, Martin having a huge burden to avail himself to SYG protection is probably the least disagreeable.

 

[RavenSky]

A man was stalking him. Men rape other men. Men beat up and rob other men. Men stalk and kill other men. The gated community was not actively gated. He could go to the store to get his purple dank ingredients and come back without going through a guarded gate.

Not high priorities on a 17 year old male. Fearing that he was a narc would be much higher on his list.

Funny how we aren't supposed to speculate that Trayvon was in fear for his life because we can't possibly know what he was thinking, but Zimmerman's defenders all seem to be quite comfortable with assuming they know what Trayvon was thinking.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There was abundant physical evidence of a ground pounding and no injuries on Martin other than the gunshot wound.

You mean the FATAL one?

If Zimmerman stays in the vehichle, does any of this happen?

Zimmerman ignores police advice
Zimmerman arms himself
Zimmerman gets out of his truck and follows Martin
Zimmerman puts himself in a situation his actions created
Zimmerman gets himself involved with a physical altercation with a kid smaller than himself, but evidently he can only successful fight females.
Zimmerman shoots and kills unarmed youth who's only crime that day was doing a favor for his kid brother.

Trayvon doesn't do a beatdown for the crime of reporting him, nothing bad happens.

 

[RavenSky]

It's interesting that by using that term you confirm Zimmerman was a threat to Martin, and that Martin was right to view him that way. But why apply it to this situation, when neither Zimmerman nor Martin was engaged in a military action? And even if your use of a military term to describe the actions of two civilians is appropriate, how would Martin have known when he got to a place where Zimmerman couldn't shoot him? Martin suspected Zimmerman wasn't stationary, and he was right about that, too.

Zimmerman was a threat to Martin--if the cops showed up Martin's identity was exposed.

Exposed as what? the innocent teenager he was.

Did I tell you that I recently met Trayvon's parents and brother? His brother was incredibly soft-spoken and looked like a baby himself, though I know he's in college.

I really wish that you could have met them, and talked with them for a little while like I did. Maybe then you would start to think of Trayvon as an actual human being, a teenaged boy who was gunned down by a thug. Maybe then you wouldn't make up such vile shit about an innocent dead teenager.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And how would Martin know that this wouldn't lead to a bunch of guys running up in his house? This is Urban Rule #1 - you don't lead any strangers to where you live, and particularly not if they're acting strangely. And Zimmerman was acting very strangely, as we heard on his own 311 call.

That's a movie rule. He should have gone in his house and called 911. The two fears that Martin would have had, Zimmerman was a narc or Zimmerman was a gang banger.

And note that Martin didn't do the thing he should have if he was actually in fear of harm: Call 911. He had a phone. His behavior adds up to someone in fear of exposure of their crime.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That'd he be exposed as Nick Fury?

Exposed as a burglar.

 

[RavenSky]

Martin "might've been" or "probably was" or "likely felt" or "would've run,"

Meanwhile
Zimmerman DID say, he DID do he DID have a record of and he HAS continued to,


Be we should probably say the best of Zimmerman and assume the worst of the other guy, because...

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No "because." I can't think of any reason why a thoughtful person would promote the maybes that might justify over the certains that don't justify. No reasonable reason at all. I don't get it and I can't wrap my head or my heart around the hate and fear exuding from the statements made about this case. It blows my mind and hurts my heart. Peace out.

Still can't rep you, but agree with every word you wrote. Part of me gets so very angry at the way they slander this boy. The other part of me hurts so bad I just want to cry. The worst part is imagining how Trayvon's parents must feel reading this type of vile vicious false rot about their son.

 

[RavenSky]

You mean the FATAL one?

If Zimmerman stays in the vehichle, does any of this happen?

Zimmerman ignores police advice
Zimmerman arms himself
Zimmerman gets out of his truck and follows Martin
Zimmerman puts himself in a situation his actions created
Zimmerman gets himself involved with a physical altercation with a kid smaller than himself, but evidently he can only successful fight females.
Zimmerman shoots and kills unarmed youth who's only crime that day was doing a favor for his kid brother.

Trayvon doesn't do a beatdown for the crime of reporting him, nothing bad happens.

Trayvon didn't do a beat down on anyone. That is your speculation, with no basis in any facts. Stop slandering a long dead teenager, and just admit that Zimmerman is the real thug.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

That'd he be exposed as Nick Fury?

Exposed as a burglar.

Or as a black teen being a teen. (You gots to burgle to be a burglar.) The cops would have shown up, do a drive through and wiped it off their monitor. If he was around they would have asked him where he was going and sent him on his way. They have no reason to suspect him of anything.

 

[RavenSky]

That'd he be exposed as Nick Fury?

Exposed as a burglar.

More slanderous bullshit

 

[laughing dog]

There was abundant physical evidence of a ground pounding and no injuries on Martin other than the gunshot wound.

Yeah, you are not showing any bias by continually using the term "pounding".

 

[Deepak]

That's a movie rule. He should have gone in his house and called 911. The two fears that Martin would have had, Zimmerman was a narc or Zimmerman was a gang banger.

And note that Martin didn't do the thing he should have if he was actually in fear of harm: Call 911. He had a phone. His behavior adds up to someone in fear of exposure of their crime.

Now this may come as a shock, and most people don't know this, but many (most) black teenagers don't really feel that the police are willing to help them.

 

[Jayjay]

And note that Martin didn't do the thing he should have if he was actually in fear of harm: Call 911. He had a phone. His behavior adds up to someone in fear of exposure of their crime.

Now this may come as a shock, and most people don't know this, but many (most) black teenagers don't really feel that the police are willing to help them.

That would have been Martin's own fault then.

However, calling 911 wasn't feasible because he was already on the phone when he noticed Zimmerman again, and at some point dropped the phone as far as we know. At which point should Martin have called 911? When he thought he had evaded Zimmerman and was no longer in danger, and hence had no reason to call for help? Or after he was already on the ground grappling with Zimmerman?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

You mean the FATAL one?

If Zimmerman stays in the vehichle, does any of this happen?

Zimmerman ignores police advice
Zimmerman arms himself
Zimmerman gets out of his truck and follows Martin
Zimmerman puts himself in a situation his actions created
Zimmerman gets himself involved with a physical altercation with a kid smaller than himself, but evidently he can only successful fight females.
Zimmerman shoots and kills unarmed youth who's only crime that day was doing a favor for his kid brother.

Trayvon doesn't do a beatdown for the crime of reporting him, nothing bad happens.

If Zimmerman is in his truck, there is no way for Trayvon to do a "beatdown." There is no way this is not squarely and completely Zimmerman's fault. None.

Also no way to make it morally alright to shot unarmed black boys walking home from the corner store. No matter how much some here may want that to be the case.

 

[Mumbles]

That'd he be exposed as Nick Fury?

Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

 

[Arctish]

And how would Martin know that this wouldn't lead to a bunch of guys running up in his house? This is Urban Rule #1 - you don't lead any strangers to where you live, and particularly not if they're acting strangely. And Zimmerman was acting very strangely, as we heard on his own 311 call.

That's a movie rule. He should have gone in his house and called 911. The two four fears that Martin would have had, Zimmerman was a narc mugger, Zimmerman was a gang banger, Zimmerman was a rapist, Zimmerman was a dangerous psychotic.

FIFY

 

[ksen]

Well, if Martin were alive to tell hisversion and GZ was dead, who knows how it would have played out? Clearly, when only one person's story is presented, it tends to work to his/her advantage - just ask GZ.

Oh, btw, preemptive strikes are okay to a number of posters here as long as one has a "reasonable" fear of death.

There is a huge different between an escalation to physical violence prompted by a non-violent action and physical violence prompted by another violent escalation. You can always walk away from someone screaming in your face, yet it is certainly harder to accomplish that with someone on top of you and pounding. [Snark]Failing to make that distinction is revealing.[/Snark]

martin tried walking away and we see where that got him

 

[Arctish]

It's interesting that by using that term you confirm Zimmerman was a threat to Martin, and that Martin was right to view him that way. But why apply it to this situation, when neither Zimmerman nor Martin was engaged in a military action? And even if your use of a military term to describe the actions of two civilians is appropriate, how would Martin have known when he got to a place where Zimmerman couldn't shoot him? Martin suspected Zimmerman wasn't stationary, and he was right about that, too.

Zimmerman was a threat to Martin--if the cops showed up Martin's identity was exposed.

Wtf???