barbos
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No, your media makes crazy claims. I merely point out and explain why they are crazy.
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zorq
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So you explain things? That's what you do? Prove it.
In 2016 an Alfabank computer tried to make THOUSANDS of connection attempts to a Trump marketing firm computer. Show us where you posted your EXPLANATION of why this is NOT suspicious in the least and totally undeserving of a cursory investigation.
barbos
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I did explain it, long time ago. You choose to ignore it.
barbos
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Yes I explained why this is normal behavior and there is absolutely nothing suspicious about that.
Moreover, people who are behind this hoax were not mistaken, they knew perfectly well what they were doing and they were almost certainly paid by Clinton campaign.
They need to be hunted down.
Russian authorities need to start arresting and if necessary kidnapping people (like US does) and bringing them to justice
with accordance to current laws of Russian Federation.
Rachel Maddow is the first one who should be arrested then questioned about her sources and these sources should be arrested and questioned. Every single asshole who took part in propagation of this story should be dragged into FSB offices in Moscow. That includes that author of DNS protocol who went to MSNBC and did not outright call it BS.
Their accomplices who sold them DNS logs should be arrested.
If I was Putin I would order involving UN into this, as well.
Moreover, people who are behind this hoax were not mistaken, they knew perfectly well what they were doing and they were almost certainly paid by Clinton campaign.
They need to be hunted down.
Russian authorities need to start arresting and if necessary kidnapping people (like US does) and bringing them to justice
with accordance to current laws of Russian Federation.
Rachel Maddow is the first one who should be arrested then questioned about her sources and these sources should be arrested and questioned. Every single asshole who took part in propagation of this story should be dragged into FSB offices in Moscow. That includes that author of DNS protocol who went to MSNBC and did not outright call it BS.
Their accomplices who sold them DNS logs should be arrested.
If I was Putin I would order involving UN into this, as well.
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zorq
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It's stuff like this that makes me agree with Dr.Zoidberg when he insists that there is a problem with the quality of the character of Russian people. You think some people who notice and report some unusual internet traffic need to be "hunted down." What kind of psycho thinks that noticing something out of the ordinary merits being "hunted down" , "kidnapped", and "FSB should arrest him the first chance they get and send him to Russian prison to the rest of his worthless life." ?
I agree with Zoidberg now more than ever. Hundreds of thousands of thinking and moral Russians have left your shithole country which is doubtless now even more concentrated with horrible people like you who want to destroy the lives of some dude for the DIRE CRIME of noticing some weird internet traffic.
How it is that you do not see how over the top and crazy this sounds is beyond my ability to understand.
The internet traffic detected was A: unusual and B: suspicious
A: Unusual because if it wasn't unusual it a) wouldn't have been noticed and b) would have happened before and after.
B: Suspicious because a) big banks like Alfa-Bank usually spend lots of money to make sure their computer systems don't screw up in ways like this so that they can maintain security. and b) Trump is a criminal slimeball with a notorious history of doing dirty deals in general and doing deals with dirty Russians in particular.
But noticing something unusual and suspicious is innocent, and the actual internet traffic itself could easily have been completely non malicious. But your reaction to it is so dark and revealing.
barbos
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People in Ukraine are dying because of lies propagated by scum like Rachel Maddow and Hillary Clinton, and yes Joe Biden.
Nothing was detected. it's a complete hoax.
How many times do I need to repeat that to you?
PizzaGate was a complete hoax, and so is AlfaBankGate.
barbos
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I have shown the evidence.
And yes, this is how propaganda works. After all you believe in this hoax, don't you?
You repeat this claim over and over again without addressing arguments.
zorq
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A: What evidence? If you have shown the evidence before it should be EASY for you to do it again. But you don't. You never do. People ask you and you refuse. You hand wave it away like you did -->Here<-- If you are too fucking lazy to do something easy like show the evidence (you say) you already have shown then you are too fucking lazy for any of us to bother with. We can't take you seriously. You sound like a school yard liar.
B:What Hoax?
I wouldn't even know about this Alfa-Bank investigation if you didn't keep bringing it up all the time. The only repetition I'm seeing is from YOU! It's thanks to YOUR propaganda that I now know ANYTHING about this.
The fact that weird internet traffic was detected is not a hoax. It is a fact because the evidence for it has been presented. DNS server logs aren't secrets.
but do you know how I know it is a fact? Because if it wasn't a fact, but rather a silly internet rumor or some easily dismissed fabrication then Alfa-Bank wouldn't fucking care. I don't get upset when someone photoshops a picture of my face onto the body of a donkey. Maybe it's because I know that I don't really look like that. So why the hell is Alfa-Bank and the Russian propaganda machine trying to send some random computer science nerds who noticed some weird internet traffic to the gulag for the rest of their lives?
And even if this were a hoax it has got to be one of the most pathetic hoaxes of all time. The connection logs in question don't reveal ANY illegal activity. They don't really reveal anything at all. What is there to believe that you think I would believe?
WHAT FUCKING ARGUMENTS? ugh. If ONLY I could get you to make an argument and not some stupid assertion backed by NOTHING. I would address your argument if you MADE ONE. Saying "Nuh-Uh, I already gave evidence" Isn't a fucking argument. Or saying "You guys are just brainwashed by lying MSM" isn't a fucking argument. These are bald, unsupported assertions that don't advance anything and only serve to try to hand wave away any confrontation you receive from people on this board.
barbos
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That's patently false. DNS logs are usually private. In our case clintonites paid russians to obtain them (that's what these scumbags appears to be saying)
The graph you posted can not be verified. To verify it you would have to ask AlfaBank to provide you with logs, good luck with that.
And even if the graph is 100% real and truthful it does not mean a squat.
DNS logs means nothing. Anyone with even basic understanding of internet knows that. I told you that years ago.
And I explained you why they have no meaning.
I can make your computer to do "suspicious" DNS requests and I actually have done so. The mere fact that you are not in CIA prison proves that they don't care because they are meaningless.
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barbos
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That's what you say. I always provide argument. You simply ignore it.
barbos
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Oh they care. They care about american scum smearing their good name. And they care about possible leak of any data, even utterly meaningless one, such as DNS logs.
Harry Bosch
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You provide argument, but no evidence. Not convincing.
barbos
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Evidence is the fact that FBI is not looking into it, in fact they have never looked into this, not during Trump term, not during Biden administration, not even now.
So, tell me why, Biden criminal administration which trumped up some 20 million charges against Trump, yet decided to avoid sticking AlfaBankGate to the Orange Menace running for POTUS?
Even utterly computer illiterate would find it way more suspicious than DNS mumbo-jumbo.
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As a minor reminder, it was FBI "sources" reporting that the Clinton Organization was being investigated by the FBI right before the 2016 election. It was also the Justice Department announcing reopening the email server investigation due to finding some information which amounted to nothing new... right before the 2016 election.
Meanwhile US intelligence was getting odd chatter picking up Trump people during surveillance of other foreign people. Trump would fire the acting Justice Department head and then the head of the FBI, after having a private dinner telling Comey to stop the investigation into the former Sec of State who had to resign almost immediately. There was a lot of weird shit happening all at the same time. Alfa was a tiny thing among a large pile of suspicious actions. Early in the Admin, the US Senate stepped in to prevent Trump from giving Russian assets back a building in Maryland after Sen. Cardin got wind of that plan. Trump's positions on Russia came out of the blue once Manafort came on board and his actions on Russia generally helped Putin much more than it helped the US. And of course, we had the secret tete a tete between the two, where Trump exited the meeting looking like he was gang banged.
barbos
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It is related to AlfaBankGate how ......?
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You mentioned smearing... I actually pointed out actual smearing from FBI sources that very likely impacted the 2016 election.
barbos
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James Comey was a democrat and he explained why he did what he did to Clinton.
So it was not smearing. In case of AlfaBankGate it was 100% pure smearing of Trump by Clinton campaign.
It was also smearing of Russia and Putin, and Alfa Bank of course.
In other words, you are 100% wrong.
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Crimea river. That was probably the first time any politician ever got smeared by an opposing politician. So sad. Poor Trumpy never smeared anyone - so why are democrats so mean to him?
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Comey was a Republican until 2016, then declared himself unaffiliated. He has never identified as a Democrat.
barbos
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I stand corrected.
I vaguely remember he could not stomach Orange Shit.
So it does not change anything, he was essentially Clinton supporter who thought she would win anyway.
And as I said, it's not related to AlfaBank hoax.
So I repeat the question. Why FBI have never pursued AlfaBank story?
Especially now?