Who Are The Real Child Molesters

[Loren Pechtel]

I would think (guess) that a child victim of molestation would more likely report a stranger than an acquaintance, and that the profession of the person would not be particularly relevant to the child in the case of a stranger.... So it would seem that the numbers for Religious, education, and family are stunted by lower reporting, and the rando "drag queen" as a source numbers are closer to being right on. right?
If not, and the rate of reporting is actually consistent, then the story is still that the Church molests children more than anyone.

I don't think the child would care much about the profession of the person in any situation.

That's going to come from the news media.

 

[Politesse]

Whoever the real child molesters are, California democrats has their back;

Human trafficking victims reportedly sobbed after watching the California Assembly's Public Safety Committee block a bill that would make the trafficking of children a “serious felony.” All six Democrats and one Republican on the committee voted against it, putting it up for “reconsideration” next year, while two Republicans supported it.

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Not all California Democrats, it passed the State Senate with broad bipartisan support. I'm pretty upset about the sudden stalling of the bill, though.

 

[TSwizzle]

Whoever the real child molesters are, California democrats has their back;

Human trafficking victims reportedly sobbed after watching the California Assembly's Public Safety Committee block a bill that would make the trafficking of children a “serious felony.” All six Democrats and one Republican on the committee voted against it, putting it up for “reconsideration” next year, while two Republicans supported it.

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Not all California Democrats, it passed the State Senate with broad bipartisan support. I'm pretty upset about the sudden stalling of the bill, though.

Well, the ones that count.

And Liz Ortega is a fucking moron.

 

[Toni]

I wouldn’t build a model predicting rates from these data. I think they are sufficient for a less powerful hypothesis test for a difference in rates of pedophilic abuse between groups.

Child molestation is a rare crime. Being transgendered is another rare thing. Correlating two rare outliers statistically is a complete waste of time. Even if the numbers correlate, it tells us nothing. And who the fuck cares if they do? What are we supposed to do with that information? There's nothing here we can use to act on, no matter how much we want to protect children. A parent who cares about the safety of their children should perhaps focus on more immediate threats like keeping it away from live wires and traffic.

Sadly, horrifyingly, child molestation is not a rare crime.

If I were to take a guess, I would guess that people who molest children belong to every political party in existence, and in every occupation in existence, in both cases, including no religion and no employment.

We know that many people who sexually abuse children were themselves molested as children. We know that most people who were molested as children do not grow up to molest children,

On a certain level, I understand the denial on the part of parents if their child is found to have molested other kids. There’s a lot of denial and minimization. I get that. How many parents believe their little darling shoplifted or skipped school or smoked pot? And this is many multiple orders of magnitude worse. Obviously I’m talking about families, not necessarily just adults who molest.

I have a very difficult time understanding it.

 

[scombrid]

I wouldn’t build a model predicting rates from these data. I think they are sufficient for a less powerful hypothesis test for a difference in rates of pedophilic abuse between groups.

Child molestation is a rare crime.

Not according to the GOP. The entire woke agenda is aimed at "grooming" and the entire left are pedos right up to the president. Aside from that it is not rare enough to be unconcerned about it and the GOP campaign against "woke" is certainly counter-productive for anyone that actually cares about children's safety.

Being transgendered is another rare thing. Correlating two rare outliers statistically is a complete waste of time.

We can test the available data against the GOP claims even if we can't get a predictive model out of the data. Or is the media really hiding all the nefarious lefty pedophelia and adrenochrome harvesting?

. A parent who cares about the safety of their children should perhaps focus on more immediate threats like keeping it away from live wires and traffic.

Tell that to the GOP.

 

[TSwizzle]

Child molestation is a rare crime.

Are you serious? There’s a whole industry of child molesting going on in Thailand on an industrial scale. It’s everywhere.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Child molestation is a rare crime.

Are you serious? There’s a whole industry of child molesting going on in Thailand on an industrial scale. It’s everywhere.

It's rare to the extreme. Just because the media gives it a lot of attention doesn't mean its common.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I wouldn’t build a model predicting rates from these data. I think they are sufficient for a less powerful hypothesis test for a difference in rates of pedophilic abuse between groups.

Child molestation is a rare crime.

Not according to the GOP. The entire woke agenda is aimed at "grooming" and the entire left are pedos right up to the president. Aside from that it is not rare enough to be unconcerned about it and the GOP campaign against "woke" is certainly counter-productive for anyone that actually cares about children's safety.

Aha, yes. Lets now trust what politicians say. Are you high?

Politicians just push whatever buttons they need to push to make us scared and then they say they will fix it. Since parents are naturaly protective over their kids, it's pretty easy points to score.

Stop trusting politicians!
 

Being transgendered is another rare thing. Correlating two rare outliers statistically is a complete waste of time.

We can test the available data against the GOP claims even if we can't get a predictive model out of the data. Or is the media really hiding all the nefarious lefty pedophelia and adrenochrome harvesting?

The key word is "available" data. Its just too little for us to make intelligible inferences

. A parent who cares about the safety of their children should perhaps focus on more immediate threats like keeping it away from live wires and traffic.

Tell that to the GOP.

I don't care about American politics

 

[TSwizzle]

Child molestation is a rare crime.

Are you serious? There’s a whole industry of child molesting going on in Thailand on an industrial scale. It’s everywhere.

It's rare to the extreme.

Male bovine excrement it is.

Just because the media gives it a lot of attention doesn't mean its common.

It doesn't get enough attention.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Child molestation is a rare crime.

Are you serious? There’s a whole industry of child molesting going on in Thailand on an industrial scale. It’s everywhere.

It's rare to the extreme.

Male bovine excrement it is.

What are you basing that on? The number of tabloid press articles on it?

Just because the media gives it a lot of attention doesn't mean its common.

It doesn't get enough attention.

How would that even by humanly possible? It gets an extreme amount of attention. If we'd give it more attention we'd have to dismantle every other concern humanity has.

 

[TSwizzle]

Child molestation is a rare crime.

Are you serious? There’s a whole industry of child molesting going on in Thailand on an industrial scale. It’s everywhere.

It's rare to the extreme.

Male bovine excrement it is.

What are you basing that on? The number of tabloid press articles on it?

What are you basing your claim that "it's rare to the extreme" on exactly?

Just because the media gives it a lot of attention doesn't mean its common.

It doesn't get enough attention.

How would that even by humanly possible? It gets an extreme amount of attention. If we'd give it more attention we'd have to dismantle every other concern humanity has.

Eh? I don't think so. The media coverage of the so called "climate crisis" (a non problem) and Trump (an ex president) way, way more than any coverage I have seen of child molestation and child sex trafficking.

The only explanation for your claims that child molestation is "rare to the extreme" is probably because of the lack of coverage.

 

[scombrid]

I wouldn’t build a model predicting rates from these data. I think they are sufficient for a less powerful hypothesis test for a difference in rates of pedophilic abuse between groups.

Child molestation is a rare crime.

Not according to the GOP. The entire woke agenda is aimed at "grooming" and the entire left are pedos right up to the president. Aside from that it is not rare enough to be unconcerned about it and the GOP campaign against "woke" is certainly counter-productive for anyone that actually cares about children's safety.

Aha, yes. Lets now trust what politicians say.

I'm not sure how you conclude that from what I have written. Quite the opposite. GOP are lying for political gain and nowhere in any post does my writing suggest trusting them.

. A parent who cares about the safety of their children should perhaps focus on more immediate threats like keeping it away from live wires and traffic.

Tell that to the GOP.

I don't care about American politics

This thread is about American politics; specifically the "war on woke" and the fact that it has become mainstream for GOP to label all that aren't christofascists as "pedo groomers". The stuff that was limited to Alex Jones' shitty little corner of the internet has gone mainstream.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I wouldn’t build a model predicting rates from these data. I think they are sufficient for a less powerful hypothesis test for a difference in rates of pedophilic abuse between groups.

Child molestation is a rare crime.

Not according to the GOP. The entire woke agenda is aimed at "grooming" and the entire left are pedos right up to the president. Aside from that it is not rare enough to be unconcerned about it and the GOP campaign against "woke" is certainly counter-productive for anyone that actually cares about children's safety.

Aha, yes. Lets now trust what politicians say.

I'm not sure how you conclude that from what I have written. Quite the opposite. GOP are lying for political gain and nowhere in any post does my writing suggest trusting them.

You referred to the opinions of GOP to back up a claim. Did you not? If it was sarcasm, you need to work better on it

. A parent who cares about the safety of their children should perhaps focus on more immediate threats like keeping it away from live wires and traffic.

Tell that to the GOP.

I don't care about American politics

This thread is about American politics; specifically the "war on woke" and the fact that it has become mainstream for GOP to label all that aren't christofascists as "pedo groomers". The stuff that was limited to Alex Jones' shitty little corner of the internet has gone mainstream.

I went back and read the OP again. There's nothing suggesting it's specifically about USA

 

[TomC]

I went back and read the OP again. There's nothing suggesting it's specifically about USA

It wasn't specified in the OP.
But in the linked article the author was clear. She was referring only to stats in the US.
Tom

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Child molestation is a rare crime.

Are you serious? There’s a whole industry of child molesting going on in Thailand on an industrial scale. It’s everywhere.

It's rare to the extreme. Just because the media gives it a lot of attention doesn't mean its common.

Global prevalence of child sexual abuse - The Journalist's Resource

2009 metastudy from the University of Barcelona published in Clinical Psychology Review analyzing 65 research studies across 22 countries to estimate an “overall international figure” for such abuse.

journalistsresource.org

And you have hundreds a year:

Denmark: sexual offences against children 2021 | Statista

Both the number of reported and charged cases of sexual offence against children below 15 years in Denmark peaked in 2018, when 435 cases were reported and 363 resulted in a charge.

www.statista.com

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Child molestation is a rare crime.

Are you serious? There’s a whole industry of child molesting going on in Thailand on an industrial scale. It’s everywhere.

It's rare to the extreme.

Male bovine excrement it is.

Just because the media gives it a lot of attention doesn't mean its common.

It doesn't get enough attention.

Your side sees it everywhere--projection, as many of your top people are molesters.

Furthermore, a lot of the noise is really about trying to present government having the power to snoop on your communications as a good thing. The real molesting isn't on the phones, it's in the homes and the churches.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I went back and read the OP again. There's nothing suggesting it's specifically about USA

It wasn't specified in the OP.
But in the linked article the author was clear. She was referring only to stats in the US.
Tom

What has that to do with American politics? It's sociology. USA isn't another planet. Americans are also humans. Stats for USA on this will be relevant elsewhere

 

[DrZoidberg]

Child molestation is a rare crime.

Are you serious? There’s a whole industry of child molesting going on in Thailand on an industrial scale. It’s everywhere.

It's rare to the extreme.

Male bovine excrement it is.

What are you basing that on? The number of tabloid press articles on it?

What are you basing your claim that "it's rare to the extreme" on exactly?

First off, statistics on this is so loaded and messy we have to be extremely careful what it is we are measuring when we're looking at the numbers. Usually it's just people convicted of it. Which is only part of the story. Or it's self reporting, another pitfall, or it's accusations. All of these have statistical problems, making the true numbers dubious.

Pedophilia is rare to the extreme. Adults who are attracted to pre-pubesents is so rare and so low that the numbers are unreliable. There's also so much stigma around it that study of it is hard. It's similar to studying psychopathy. Those suffering from the diagnosis have zero incentives to allow themselves to be studied. The only pedophiles we know anything about are those who got caught. Well, that's a special self selected group. They also want to get out of jail. Which will warp the answers they give. That will warp the statistic. For all we know, most pedophiles might never act on their desires and just suffer in silence their whole lives. We really don't know.

In the media pedophiles are habitually conflated with hebophiles. Hebophiles are attracted to pubescents, ie teenagers. Which is completely normal. We (adult men) don't avoid flirting with teenagers because we find them unatractive, but because it's inapropriate. This habitual conflation makes medias reporting on this, pretty much, worthless. And in some countries, like the country I am living in, hebophilia is completely legal. I could legally date and 15 year old in Denmark. It's barely even frowned upon. Denmark is extremely liberal when it comes to sex.

And lastly, desperate people might do things they wouldn't if they weren't desperate. We often develop an attraction to people we have access to. This is the Catholic church dilemma. The sex drive is powerful. If priests are not having sex at all, but have access to all these children, then our brains are likely to start warping towards that we have access to. So the problem isn't that they started out as pedophiles but that they live in celibacy. But they're made pedophiles by the cultures. This is also an incredibly easy problem to solve. Stop letting your kids be with priests unsupervised or let them start dating like normal people. It's the same psychological mechanic behind homosexuality in prison.

The most common form of child molestation, ie drunk step dad, isn't the result of pedophlia, but other factors.

"There are motives for child sexual abuse that are unrelated to pedophilia,[78] such as stress, marital problems, the unavailability of an adult partner,[95] general anti-social tendencies, high sex drive or alcohol use.[2]: 4 "

Pedophilia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

When those other factors are solved, the child molestation stops. So we should perhaps focus on that instead? Ie in general making life more bareable for everybody. Win - win.

Basically, the enemy is social problems in general, not some special predator class we have to be on the lookout for. Pedophilia is extremely rare.

 

[TomC]

What has that to do with American politics? It's sociology. USA isn't another planet. Americans are also humans. Stats for USA on this will be relevant elsewhere

I don't think you understand the point to this particular exercise. It isn't about sociological research into an ugly problem. It isn't about supporting an action plan to combat that problem.

It's about contradicting the common claims from mostly right-wing politicos, here in the USA, that liberals and queers are a big danger to children. We aren't. Far bigger dangers are found in much more prosaic groups. Family(especially step family), clergy, and school staff presents far more threat of child abuse.
Tom

 

[DrZoidberg]

What has that to do with American politics? It's sociology. USA isn't another planet. Americans are also humans. Stats for USA on this will be relevant elsewhere

I don't think you understand the point to this particular exercise. It isn't about sociological research into an ugly problem. It isn't about supporting an action plan to combat that problem.

It's about contradicting the common claims from mostly right-wing politicos, here in the USA, that liberals and queers are a big danger to children. We aren't. Far bigger dangers are found in much more prosaic groups. Family(especially step family), clergy, and school staff presents far more threat of child abuse.
Tom

This is an international forum. If you're bothered by "foreigners" chipping in, then why are you having the conversation on a forum like this?

Our far-right extremists are also going on about the dangers of transgenderism and drag-queens. One of Sweden's main political issues the last couple of years have been a project where drag-queens go around to public libraries to read fairy tales to children. This is somehow being framed as a threat to western civilisation. And they also like to try to equate homosexuality with pedophilia. Far-right extremists are painfully predictable that way.

So I think it's relevant to see this as more than just relevant to internal US party politics.