Is it time to finally move on from "Stopping Climate Change" and instead work on mitigating it?

[Jimmy Higgins]

Actually, you can live like a king in Youngstown, live like a Prince in Akron, live in a box in Medina.

 

[Gospel]

Thanks for the tip.

 

[Elixir]

Last I checked, anything on the east coast that’s west of Military Trail was still pretty cheap.

 

[ZiprHead]

Florida resident checking in. My bags are packed.

I've read the Great Lakes region is the place you wanna be; Cleveland, Milwaukee. Wait. You still have all those speakers?

True. Housing is cheap. Water is plentiful. Temperatures are moderate.

 

[RVonse]

Capitalism is having large banks use existing forests and selling them off as carbon offsets, when there nothing the like. Capitalism is using the same planted tree five times. Capitalism was lying about climate change for decades when we could have made an impact. Capitalism is always after the fact. At best capitalism is reactive by nature, at worst, amoral and apathetic. Relying on capitalism to be proactive at their own cost is nothing short of folly.

Then if you don't like capitalism, the government itself could and should be cleaning up its act and showing the rest of us capitalists with their elite example. For example, why do all the street lights have to be so dumb to make sure traffic needs to needlessly stop (less alone idle for minutes) for non existent traffic crossing the other way? Government's sure don't mind putting up camera's able to take the picture of your license plate for their own selfish interests.... yet they can't even manage a street light to save carbon? I see huge amounts of needless carbon wasted out idling tailpipes each day just in my metro area. Add it all up to a HUGE amount of carbon wasted just at the street lights!

Honestly I think its because our government (both federal and state) does not really give a shit about climate change. Not really. They might make big noises about solving climate change but they are really doing nothing themselves that they could be doing to solve any of our carbon emissions. So why be so surprised that many Republicans do not believe them that chicken little is ready to fall? They know that climate change is one more way the government can regulate us so they can have more control over our lives. That is all climate means for our government.

It takes people in the private sector.......someone like Musk to really do anything meaningful about climate change.

 

[Toni]

Florida resident checking in. My bags are packed.

I've read the Great Lakes region is the place you wanna be; Cleveland, Milwaukee. Wait. You still have all those speakers?

Erm, no. I live five blocks from beautiful Lake Erie, and we're going to resist any/all caravans. We're building a wall, and the Cotton Belt will pay for it.

Given the current housing market, even a pile of sticks in Tornado Alley is beyond my reach, let alone anywhere more expensive. Therefore, rest assured that your peaceful environs won't be disturbed by the thunderous volume of my concert-level speakers anytime soon.

My bags are packed for hurricane evac though. I know the big one is coming.

I'd say come north to my area but I am a bit afraid you'd never last a winter, although in my corner of the state, winters have been (relatively) minor the past few years. Still: snow, ice, lakes and rivers freeze over. We have real winters and they are long. We get a lot of snow but up north they really get a lot of snow. I hope the hurricane(s), big and small, miss you and cause as little damage, expense or inconvenience as possible.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Capitalism is having large banks use existing forests and selling them off as carbon offsets, when there nothing the like. Capitalism is using the same planted tree five times. Capitalism was lying about climate change for decades when we could have made an impact. Capitalism is always after the fact. At best capitalism is reactive by nature, at worst, amoral and apathetic. Relying on capitalism to be proactive at their own cost is nothing short of folly.

Then if you don't like capitalism, the government itself could and should be cleaning up its act and showing the rest of us capitalists with their elite example. For example, why do all the street lights have to be so dumb to make sure traffic needs to needlessly stop (less alone idle for minutes) for non existent traffic crossing the other way? Government's sure don't mind putting up camera's able to take the picture of your license plate for their own selfish interests.... yet they can't even manage a street light to save carbon? I see huge amounts of needless carbon wasted out idling tailpipes each day just in my metro area. Add it all up to a HUGE amount of carbon wasted just at the street lights!

Honestly I think its because our government (both federal and state) does not really give a shit about climate change. Not really. They might make big noises about solving climate change but they are really doing nothing themselves that they could be doing to solve any of our carbon emissions. So why be so surprised that many Republicans do not believe them that chicken little is ready to fall? They know that climate change is one more way the government can regulate us so they can have more control over our lives. That is all climate means for our government.

As a reminder, the OP was about managing the problems that are resulting due to climate change. The OP, if you bothered to read it, is comfortable with the realization that we aren't stopping climate change. Probably had a shot 40 years ago, but capitalism lied and swept it under the rug.

So we are past that point, we need to address the consequences of Climate Change. Reduced insurance coverage (hurricane / flooding), emergency service expansion for those susceptible to DIE from the heat (you know, the ones that didn't from Covid-19 no thanks to all those that tried to get them killed), how to manage working rules in the brutal heat, flood model management, etc...

 

[Toni]

Florida resident checking in. My bags are packed.

I've read the Great Lakes region is the place you wanna be; Cleveland, Milwaukee. Wait. You still have all those speakers?

True. Housing is cheap. Water is plentiful. Temperatures are moderate.

Eh, depends on where in the region you are. Cleveland area I hear has cheap land/housing prices. My state is cheaper than say, Chicago or anywhere on any coast but the big cities are much more expensive than the smaller ones.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Capitalism is having large banks use existing forests and selling them off as carbon offsets, when there nothing the like. Capitalism is using the same planted tree five times. Capitalism was lying about climate change for decades when we could have made an impact. Capitalism is always after the fact. At best capitalism is reactive by nature, at worst, amoral and apathetic. Relying on capitalism to be proactive at their own cost is nothing short of folly.

Then if you don't like capitalism, the government itself could and should be cleaning up its act and showing the rest of us capitalists with their elite example. For example, why do all the street lights have to be so dumb to make sure traffic needs to needlessly stop (less alone idle for minutes) for non existent traffic crossing the other way? Government's sure don't mind putting up camera's able to take the picture of your license plate for their own selfish interests.... yet they can't even manage a street light to save carbon? I see huge amounts of needless carbon wasted out idling tailpipes each day just in my metro area. Add it all up to a HUGE amount of carbon wasted just at the street lights!

Honestly I think its because our government (both federal and state) does not really give a shit about climate change. Not really. They might make big noises about solving climate change but they are really doing nothing themselves that they could be doing to solve any of our carbon emissions. So why be so surprised that many Republicans do not believe them that chicken little is ready to fall? They know that climate change is one more way the government can regulate us so they can have more control over our lives. That is all climate means for our government.

As a reminder, the OP was about managing the problems that are resulting due to climate change. The OP, if you bothered to read it, is comfortable with the realization that we aren't stopping climate change. Probably had a shot 40 years ago, but capitalism lied and swept it under the rug.

it was definitely not under the rug forty years ago. It was on top like a giant dog turd. It’s just that the government felt it was easier and less expensive to walk around the turd than to invest in cleaning it up or training the dog not to shit any more on the rug.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Capitalism is having large banks use existing forests and selling them off as carbon offsets, when there nothing the like. Capitalism is using the same planted tree five times. Capitalism was lying about climate change for decades when we could have made an impact. Capitalism is always after the fact. At best capitalism is reactive by nature, at worst, amoral and apathetic. Relying on capitalism to be proactive at their own cost is nothing short of folly.

Then if you don't like capitalism, the government itself could and should be cleaning up its act and showing the rest of us capitalists with their elite example. For example, why do all the street lights have to be so dumb to make sure traffic needs to needlessly stop (less alone idle for minutes) for non existent traffic crossing the other way? Government's sure don't mind putting up camera's able to take the picture of your license plate for their own selfish interests.... yet they can't even manage a street light to save carbon? I see huge amounts of needless carbon wasted out idling tailpipes each day just in my metro area. Add it all up to a HUGE amount of carbon wasted just at the street lights!

Honestly I think its because our government (both federal and state) does not really give a shit about climate change. Not really. They might make big noises about solving climate change but they are really doing nothing themselves that they could be doing to solve any of our carbon emissions. So why be so surprised that many Republicans do not believe them that chicken little is ready to fall? They know that climate change is one more way the government can regulate us so they can have more control over our lives. That is all climate means for our government.

As a reminder, the OP was about managing the problems that are resulting due to climate change. The OP, if you bothered to read it, is comfortable with the realization that we aren't stopping climate change. Probably had a shot 40 years ago, but capitalism lied and swept it under the rug.

it was definitely not under the rug forty years ago. It was on top like a giant dog turd. It’s just that the government felt it was easier and less expensive to walk around the turd than to invest in cleaning it up or training the dog not to shit any more on the rug.

I suppose you could say the Neocons and Reagan thought it was "woke". Man, if you could write a book about everything the Reagan Administration was wrong about... frivolous lawsuits, the mentally ill, Saddam Hussein, the climate, trickle down economics... you could write a book about why things are so shitty today.

 

[Gospel]

The AIDS Crisis too.

 

[Gospel]

Florida resident checking in. My bags are packed.

I've read the Great Lakes region is the place you wanna be; Cleveland, Milwaukee. Wait. You still have all those speakers?

Erm, no. I live five blocks from beautiful Lake Erie, and we're going to resist any/all caravans. We're building a wall, and the Cotton Belt will pay for it.

Given the current housing market, even a pile of sticks in Tornado Alley is beyond my reach, let alone anywhere more expensive. Therefore, rest assured that your peaceful environs won't be disturbed by the thunderous volume of my concert-level speakers anytime soon.

My bags are packed for hurricane evac though. I know the big one is coming.

I'd say come north to my area but I am a bit afraid you'd never last a winter, although in my corner of the state, winters have been (relatively) minor the past few years. Still: snow, ice, lakes and rivers freeze over. We have real winters and they are long. We get a lot of snow but up north they really get a lot of snow. I hope the hurricane(s), big and small, miss you and cause as little damage, expense or inconvenience as possible.

As someone who hails originally from New York, having braved two winters homeless there, I anticipate that my past experiences with the severe weather could be beneficial. My wife is also a New Yorker, so she shares a similar familiarity. Our children, on the other hand, will likely require divine intervention to acclimate to those conditions. They don't even like going outside on some of Florida's most beautiful days.

 

[ZiprHead]

Florida resident checking in. My bags are packed.

I've read the Great Lakes region is the place you wanna be; Cleveland, Milwaukee. Wait. You still have all those speakers?

True. Housing is cheap. Water is plentiful. Temperatures are moderate.

Eh, depends on where in the region you are. Cleveland area I hear has cheap land/housing prices. My state is cheaper than say, Chicago or anywhere on any coast but the big cities are much more expensive than the smaller ones.

You can get a McMansion here for 300K where it would cost over a million in the giant cities.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Florida resident checking in. My bags are packed.

I've read the Great Lakes region is the place you wanna be; Cleveland, Milwaukee. Wait. You still have all those speakers?

Erm, no. I live five blocks from beautiful Lake Erie, and we're going to resist any/all caravans. We're building a wall, and the Cotton Belt will pay for it.

Given the current housing market, even a pile of sticks in Tornado Alley is beyond my reach, let alone anywhere more expensive. Therefore, rest assured that your peaceful environs won't be disturbed by the thunderous volume of my concert-level speakers anytime soon.

My bags are packed for hurricane evac though. I know the big one is coming.

I'd say come north to my area but I am a bit afraid you'd never last a winter, although in my corner of the state, winters have been (relatively) minor the past few years. Still: snow, ice, lakes and rivers freeze over. We have real winters and they are long. We get a lot of snow but up north they really get a lot of snow. I hope the hurricane(s), big and small, miss you and cause as little damage, expense or inconvenience as possible.

As someone who hails originally from New York, having braved two winters homeless there, I anticipate that my past experiences with the severe weather could be beneficial.

FYI, it is a different type of cold than that in NYC. How cold does it get in Minnesota? It was balmy and much warmer than average this past winter... with highs well above Zero. (<--- none of that was a joke) I refer to northern Minnesota where I'm vaguely familiar due to my sister living there.

NE Ohio is probably a good place to settle. You get the water, and benefit from the "dry cold" without the "dry but very fucking cold", and thanks to the GOP our cost of living is pretty low. And NE Ohio doesn't get much in the way of twisters, that is the western, more sparsely populated, part of the state.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Florida resident checking in. My bags are packed.

I've read the Great Lakes region is the place you wanna be; Cleveland, Milwaukee. Wait. You still have all those speakers?

True. Housing is cheap. Water is plentiful. Temperatures are moderate.

Eh, depends on where in the region you are. Cleveland area I hear has cheap land/housing prices. My state is cheaper than say, Chicago or anywhere on any coast but the big cities are much more expensive than the smaller ones.

You can get a McMansion here for 300K where it would cost over a million in the giant cities.

My parents (well, I guess parent) pay less than $400 on the mortgage... and have I think 2000 SF, 1500 of it finished. Yes, their yard is a bloody nightmare though. Things made of sturdy metal outdoors that aren't cars do have a tendency to grow legs and vanish.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Unfortunately, adaptation to climate change will also be ridiculously expensive and there will likely be little political will to enable the programs necessary to do so. Apparently it is far easier to spend billions recovering from tragedies than to spend billions to avoid tragedies.

Can't wait for insurance companies to stop providing flood insurance for homes outside the 100 yr plain. I live right near the Cuyahoga River, but it is channelized there and we are talking cataclysmic storm event to get my home flooded, I'd guess the sewer would back up first into the house. I live outside the 500 year plain (well outside). But if you live near a river, do insurance companies just stop providing coverage?

Flood insurance is from the government, they don't just stop providing coverage.

 

[Toni]

Florida resident checking in. My bags are packed.

I've read the Great Lakes region is the place you wanna be; Cleveland, Milwaukee. Wait. You still have all those speakers?

Erm, no. I live five blocks from beautiful Lake Erie, and we're going to resist any/all caravans. We're building a wall, and the Cotton Belt will pay for it.

Given the current housing market, even a pile of sticks in Tornado Alley is beyond my reach, let alone anywhere more expensive. Therefore, rest assured that your peaceful environs won't be disturbed by the thunderous volume of my concert-level speakers anytime soon.

My bags are packed for hurricane evac though. I know the big one is coming.

I'd say come north to my area but I am a bit afraid you'd never last a winter, although in my corner of the state, winters have been (relatively) minor the past few years. Still: snow, ice, lakes and rivers freeze over. We have real winters and they are long. We get a lot of snow but up north they really get a lot of snow. I hope the hurricane(s), big and small, miss you and cause as little damage, expense or inconvenience as possible.

As someone who hails originally from New York, having braved two winters homeless there, I anticipate that my past experiences with the severe weather could be beneficial.

FYI, it is a different type of cold than that in NYC. How cold does it get in Minnesota? It was balmy and much warmer than average this past winter... with highs well above Zero. (<--- none of that was a joke) I refer to northern Minnesota where I'm vaguely familiar due to my sister living there.

NE Ohio is probably a good place to settle. You get the water, and benefit from the "dry cold" without the "dry but very fucking cold", and thanks to the GOP our cost of living is pretty low. And NE Ohio doesn't get much in the way of twisters, that is the western, more sparsely populated, part of the state.

The coldest it’s ever been in my corner of the state since I’ve lived here is -30F ( still air temp, not windchill) and -60 F in the coldest most part of the state. That was an exceptionally cold winter, though. Most winters we have some days as cold as -20 but not for the last couple of winters. Still, much of the winter is below 32F. Low humidity.

FWIW, housing prices are not cheap ( for the Midwest) in the TwinCities. Out-state, much expensive. It is…pretty white outside of the Twin Cities. I’m not talking snow.

It is a seriously beautiful state if you like forests and lakes and the rocky shores of Lake Superior.

 

[Toni]

Florida resident checking in. My bags are packed.

I've read the Great Lakes region is the place you wanna be; Cleveland, Milwaukee. Wait. You still have all those speakers?

Erm, no. I live five blocks from beautiful Lake Erie, and we're going to resist any/all caravans. We're building a wall, and the Cotton Belt will pay for it.

Given the current housing market, even a pile of sticks in Tornado Alley is beyond my reach, let alone anywhere more expensive. Therefore, rest assured that your peaceful environs won't be disturbed by the thunderous volume of my concert-level speakers anytime soon.

My bags are packed for hurricane evac though. I know the big one is coming.

I'd say come north to my area but I am a bit afraid you'd never last a winter, although in my corner of the state, winters have been (relatively) minor the past few years. Still: snow, ice, lakes and rivers freeze over. We have real winters and they are long. We get a lot of snow but up north they really get a lot of snow. I hope the hurricane(s), big and small, miss you and cause as little damage, expense or inconvenience as possible.

As someone who hails originally from New York, having braved two winters homeless there, I anticipate that my past experiences with the severe weather could be beneficial.

FYI, it is a different type of cold than that in NYC. How cold does it get in Minnesota? It was balmy and much warmer than average this past winter... with highs well above Zero. (<--- none of that was a joke) I refer to northern Minnesota where I'm vaguely familiar due to my sister living there.

NE Ohio is probably a good place to settle. You get the water, and benefit from the "dry cold" without the "dry but very fucking cold", and thanks to the GOP our cost of living is pretty low. And NE Ohio doesn't get much in the way of twisters, that is the western, more sparsely populated, part of the state.

The coldest it’s ever been in my corner of the state since I’ve lived here is -30F ( still air temp, not windchill) and -60 F in the coldest most part of the state. That was an exceptionally cold winter, though. Most winters we have some days as cold as -20 but not for the last couple of winters. Still, much of the winter is below 32F. Low humidity.

FWIW, housing prices are not cheap ( for the Midwest) in the TwinCities. Out-state, much expensive. It is…pretty white outside of the Twin Cities. I’m not talking snow.

It is a seriously beautiful state if you like forests and lakes and the rocky shores of Lake Superior.

That was supposed to be: outside de of the twincities area, housing prices are much LESS expensive—to buy but rent is pretty high everywhere.

 

[Gospel]

So, it appears we have a resolution. It is time to shift our efforts from "Stopping Climate Change" to migrating to areas less affected by climate change, while ensuring the best return on our investments.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Carbon taxes are the answer according to Elon Musk and he is correct (as usual). Make everyone pay the real cost of fuel (whatever that fuel is), the cost of production PLUS the cost of damage to the environment. Climate change has been figured out and resolved for you Jimmy!

That doesn't solve the increase in temperature problem, nor the unstoppable acceleration. That's why Elon Musk is working on spaceships for the wealthy elite to eventually escape the hell hole they've created. So basically, can't stop it, so mitigate it. But then can't mitigate it, so run away. But get paid doing it. That guy's a genius!