Ohio - Right Wing Power Grab Goes Down To Defeat

[Gospel]

Right, so the judges that voted to keep Roe v. Wade are the conservative ones.

Correct.
They voted to conserve the current, decades old, status quo.
That's what conservatives do.

It might sound surprising, but I completely grasp your point. It's humorous, yet your perspective is spot on.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Right, so the judges that voted to keep Roe v. Wade are the conservative ones.

Correct.
They voted to conserve the current, decades old, status quo.
That's what conservatives do.

At least that is how it appears you are using the word "conservative" even though it clearly means something else to most people.

I find it unfortunate that such words have been misused to the point of meaningless.

*cough*

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Right, so the judges that voted to keep Roe v. Wade are the conservative ones.

Correct.
They voted to conserve the current, decades old, status quo.
That's what conservatives do.

It might sound surprising, but I completely grasp your point. It's humorous, yet your perspective is spot on.

Not really. The axing of the Voting Rights Act wasn't progressive, it was returning to an older status quo.

 

[TomC]

*cough*

The depth and breadth of your insight is an inspiration to us all.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

Right, so the judges that voted to keep Roe v. Wade are the conservative ones.

Correct.
They voted to conserve the current, decades old, status quo.
That's what conservatives do.

It might sound surprising, but I completely grasp your point. It's humorous, yet your perspective is spot on.

Not really. The axing of the Voting Rights Act wasn't progressive, it was returning to an older status quo.

Conservatives, who often advocate for a return to traditional values, view backward movement as their form of progress. I believe that's the sentiment Tom was expressing.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Right, so the judges that voted to keep Roe v. Wade are the conservative ones.

Correct.
They voted to conserve the current, decades old, status quo.
That's what conservatives do.

It might sound surprising, but I completely grasp your point. It's humorous, yet your perspective is spot on.

Not really. The axing of the Voting Rights Act wasn't progressive, it was returning to an older status quo.

Conservatives, who often advocate for a return to traditional values, view backward movement as their form of progress. I believe that's the sentiment Tom was expressing.

It seems he’s expressing a more pedantic point: voting to not change something is conservative by definition.

 

[Shadowy Man]

So Biden is the conservative choice since he’s already President and Trump is the progressive choice because he wants to change the Presidency to be something new.

Got it?

 

[TomC]

So Biden is the conservative choice since he’s already President and Trump is the progressive choice because he wants to change the Presidency to be something new.

Got it?

Not exactly.
Biden is the conservative option because he doesn't want to change much. Trump is not a conservative option because he wants to change a bunch of stuff.
Hugely.
Like change the USA from a nominal democracy to a full on oligarchy. That sort of thing.
It's important to me anyway.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Right, so the judges that voted to keep Roe v. Wade are the conservative ones.

Correct.
They voted to conserve the current, decades old, status quo.
That's what conservatives do.

It might sound surprising, but I completely grasp your point. It's humorous, yet your perspective is spot on.

Not really. The axing of the Voting Rights Act wasn't progressive, it was returning to an older status quo.

Conservatives, who often advocate for a return to traditional values, view backward movement as their form of progress. I believe that's the sentiment Tom was expressing.

It seems he’s expressing a more pedantic point: voting to not change something is conservative by definition.

It is his definition, but it is a pretty much a pointless one.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Right, so the judges that voted to keep Roe v. Wade are the conservative ones.

Correct.
They voted to conserve the current, decades old, status quo.
That's what conservatives do.

It might sound surprising, but I completely grasp your point. It's humorous, yet your perspective is spot on.

Not really. The axing of the Voting Rights Act wasn't progressive, it was returning to an older status quo.

Conservatives, who often advocate for a return to traditional values, view backward movement as their form of progress. I believe that's the sentiment Tom was expressing.

It seems he’s expressing a more pedantic point: voting to not change something is conservative by definition.

It is his definition, but it is a pretty much a pointless one.

Not my quote but:

"Pedantry is the last refuge of the witless"
-unknown

 

[TomC]

OK
Mine is "keeping the status quo".
What is yours?
Tom

It is his definition, but it is a pretty much a pointless one.

What is your meaning for the word "conservative", in this context?
Tom

 

[bilby]

Right, so the judges that voted to keep Roe v. Wade are the conservative ones.

Correct.
They voted to conserve the current, decades old, status quo.
That's what conservatives do.

It might sound surprising, but I completely grasp your point. It's humorous, yet your perspective is spot on.

Not really. The axing of the Voting Rights Act wasn't progressive, it was returning to an older status quo.

Conservatives, who often advocate for a return to traditional values, view backward movement as their form of progress. I believe that's the sentiment Tom was expressing.

It seems he’s expressing a more pedantic point: voting to not change something is conservative by definition.

It is his definition, but it is a pretty much a pointless one.

Y'all need some capital letters.

Biden is the conservative choice; Trump is the Conservative choice.

These are very different things.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Right, so the judges that voted to keep Roe v. Wade are the conservative ones.

Correct.
They voted to conserve the current, decades old, status quo.
That's what conservatives do.

It might sound surprising, but I completely grasp your point. It's humorous, yet your perspective is spot on.

Not really. The axing of the Voting Rights Act wasn't progressive, it was returning to an older status quo.

Conservatives, who often advocate for a return to traditional values, view backward movement as their form of progress. I believe that's the sentiment Tom was expressing.

It seems he’s expressing a more pedantic point: voting to not change something is conservative by definition.

It is his definition, but it is a pretty much a pointless one.

Y'all need some capital letters.

Biden is the conservative choice; Trump is the Conservative choice.

These are very different things.

Well aware of that. I’m just recalibrating to Tom’s definitions.

 

[laughing dog]

OK
Mine is "keeping the status quo".
What is yours?
Tom

It is his definition, but it is a pretty much a pointless one.

What is your meaning for the word "conservative", in this context?
Tom

Averse to change and holding traditional values.

 

[TomC]

Averse to change and holding traditional values.

RoevWade passed 50 years ago.

Doesn't insisting on upholding that tradition constitute Conservative values?

Now that RvW has been overturned, people want to regress to the good old days of 2021. When RvW was law. Isn't that right?
Tom

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

The SC shifted statutes from the federal government to the states on abortion. Leading right wing states to enact laws to make abortion illegal. Recently in a number of states, abortion rights became protected rights. And right now, pro choice activists are collecting signatures to put the issue on ballots in a number of states for 2024. Since Democrats overwhelmingly support pro choice, that will see a big Democratic turn out. And as demonstrated in Kansas, Republicans are not all pro life. And independent women are not anti-abortion friendly. This may make a bunch of swing states GOP unfriendly come 2024. Not good news for them.

We will need more popcorn.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Averse to change and holding traditional values.

RoevWade passed 50 years ago.

Doesn't insisting on upholding that tradition constitute Conservative values?

No. Because “Conservatives” want to adhere to even *older* values. From a so-called “traditional” perspective, 50 years is not a long time.

Are you just playing semantic games or truly don’t understand what’s being expressed by these terms?

 

[laughing dog]

Averse to change and holding traditional values.

RoevWade passed 50 years ago.

Doesn't insisting on upholding that tradition constitute Conservative values?

No. In my view, a tradition should go through at least 3 generations.

You are entitled to use your own vocabulary. You are not entitled to expect others to embrace your definitions in discourse.

I think Shadowy man expresses the rest of my thoughts rather politely.

 

[TomC]

No. In my view, a tradition should go through at least 3 generations.

Oh. So you have your own meaning for the term "traditional". 3 generations.

My partner has great grandkids. Kids, grandkids, and now great grandkids. All since 1973.

You are entitled to use your own vocabulary.

But I don't feel at all required to use your own vocabulary.
Tom

 

[Shadowy Man]

The problem is that yes everyone may have differing opinions on what “traditional” means. To someone very young, gay marriage may be traditional marriage. To others, a love marriage may be traditional. And to some others, marriage may traditionally be the exchange of property between families.