Elixir
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That would be NO laws.
PRESIDENTS DONT PUT LAWS INTO PLACE.
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PRESIDENTS DONT PUT LAWS INTO PLACE.
southernhybrid
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I was referring to when Buzz first arrived and said he wanted advice, long before his true personality and issues came out. I try to keep an open mind when I first meet someone regardless of their crazy ideology. I had hoped that he was one of the Republicans, especially considering his stated age, who opposed Trump and had some idealistic wishful thinking that he could change things. Eventually Buzz showed us who is really is and my last post was an attempt to even see if he's educated enough to understand who Trump really is or if he's another reader of the Murdoch, "Daily Mail" along with other sources of disinformation. I have been skeptical if Buzz is even being honest or if he may just be here for attention, and we've given him plenty of drama rewards.
My disappointment, although not all that surprising, is that his values and character are much worse than someone just trying to gain develop some empathy for people he looks down on. And, I'm disappointed in myself for wasting so much time trying to listen and give advice. I just hope he reads the list of some of the Trump crimes and ask himself what kind of a person would support someone like him and why?
If you're reading this Buzz, there's a new book out that's called something like..
Trump's 91 Crimes....I don't remember the exact name, but I think you might benefit from reading it. Then ask yourself why you would be willing to vote for someone like that for president. I thought you preferred "pure" people to put it in your own words. Nobody's pure, but very few are a scummy as Trump.
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If his actions following the 2020 election are any indication, if he does win, his proposal would be that his second term would never end. He would (and has) proposed throwing out any election which does not go his way, has declared that any election he does not win is fraudulent, and that nobody has a right to be President other than him.
There are a few words that describe this type of leader. "Supreme Leader," "Fuhrer," "Despot," and "Autocrat" among them. He already agrees with what you apparently believe - that the President should make the laws - and clearly wants to do away with co-equal branches of government and the separation of powers.
He has already attempted to use the power of the Executive Branch to remain in office even though he knew he'd lost the election. He must not be given that power again, or the US may cease to be a democratic republic.
hurtinbuckaroo
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Yes, he fucked us over quite well.
Elixir
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You forgot the main one: kleptocrat.
barbos
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Biden did all of that.
ideologyhunter
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I see no point in arguing Trump Good/Trump Bad. There's not enough contact between my reading/experience and a Trump supporter's outlook to get a sensible discussion going. This is one great accomplishment of the Right, since the mid-60s. They've heaped so much vitriol on the "left-wing media" that they have created a base that feeds on right wing propaganda exclusively. When a laughably obvious conman like Trump can waddle into a leadership position, something is deranged in the country.
I will wager that, if our present OP creator is anything like the Trumpies I know, then most of the following is true about him (I'll use he/him here to save time.)
> He doesn't trust the "mainstream media" at all -- never watches ABC, NBC or CBS News, never ever watches MSNBC, and doesn't read a daily paper
> Because of the "news" sources he uses, he probably hasn't heard of Trump's 70s troubles with lawsuits about racist renting practices in Trump apartment buildings; hasn't heard of Trump's 90s notoriety in calling for the execution of the "wilding" gang in Central Park, never retracted even after the boys involved were exonerated; where to start in the 21st Century? As a sampler: the Birther lies, the $2 million dollar fine for running a crooked 'charity', the $25 million payoff to compensate the folks he shilled with Trump U, mocking a reporter with a muscle disease, talking about a "Mexican judge" (actually a native Hoosier, if I remember correctly) who shouldn't be allowed to preside over a trial involving Trump, shrieking that the 2016 election process was rigged (a precursor to...etc.), misogyny galore toward all women, but don't forget Megyn Kelly, constant sandbox namecalling, asking why we have nukes but aren't using them, asking why border patrol shouldn't be shooting the Caravan people in the legs, separating toddlers from parents, some of whom have never been reunited, enraging our NATO allies, trusting Putin over U.S. intelligence, Trump Org. guilty of multiple tax fraud counts, trying to overturn an election, guilty of bank fraud, guilty of sexual assault. Did I mention that this President schemed to overturn an election? Guess I did. (I know I said I saw no point in arguing Trump Good/Trump Bad, and here I am doing it.) And there really isn't a point, with a Trumpie. There isn't. But those are some highlights of Trump coverage that those folks don't seem aware of.
> He frequently says, "I don't like how Trump talks about other people, but that's just his way."
> He's glad that Roe was overturned, and sees this as a great accomplishment of DJT
> He thinks that BLM is inherently racist
> He thinks Obama is probably Muslim and Trump is decidely Christian
> He thinks that the Q stuff has boulders of truth in it
> Is okay with Presidential language that includes calling people traitors, very bad people, scum of the earth, sons of bitches, plus a 'fuck' on national radio
> sees Biden as senile but also sees the wily hand of Biden in the 4 (and counting) criminal indictments of DJT
> thinks our 2023 economy sucks but doesn't remember how the indicators shaped up in January 2021
> thinks the Jan. 6 mob was more like concerned citizens with a legitimate political discourse than criminals
Okay I feel a little better now.
I will wager that, if our present OP creator is anything like the Trumpies I know, then most of the following is true about him (I'll use he/him here to save time.)
> He doesn't trust the "mainstream media" at all -- never watches ABC, NBC or CBS News, never ever watches MSNBC, and doesn't read a daily paper
> Because of the "news" sources he uses, he probably hasn't heard of Trump's 70s troubles with lawsuits about racist renting practices in Trump apartment buildings; hasn't heard of Trump's 90s notoriety in calling for the execution of the "wilding" gang in Central Park, never retracted even after the boys involved were exonerated; where to start in the 21st Century? As a sampler: the Birther lies, the $2 million dollar fine for running a crooked 'charity', the $25 million payoff to compensate the folks he shilled with Trump U, mocking a reporter with a muscle disease, talking about a "Mexican judge" (actually a native Hoosier, if I remember correctly) who shouldn't be allowed to preside over a trial involving Trump, shrieking that the 2016 election process was rigged (a precursor to...etc.), misogyny galore toward all women, but don't forget Megyn Kelly, constant sandbox namecalling, asking why we have nukes but aren't using them, asking why border patrol shouldn't be shooting the Caravan people in the legs, separating toddlers from parents, some of whom have never been reunited, enraging our NATO allies, trusting Putin over U.S. intelligence, Trump Org. guilty of multiple tax fraud counts, trying to overturn an election, guilty of bank fraud, guilty of sexual assault. Did I mention that this President schemed to overturn an election? Guess I did. (I know I said I saw no point in arguing Trump Good/Trump Bad, and here I am doing it.) And there really isn't a point, with a Trumpie. There isn't. But those are some highlights of Trump coverage that those folks don't seem aware of.
> He frequently says, "I don't like how Trump talks about other people, but that's just his way."
> He's glad that Roe was overturned, and sees this as a great accomplishment of DJT
> He thinks that BLM is inherently racist
> He thinks Obama is probably Muslim and Trump is decidely Christian
> He thinks that the Q stuff has boulders of truth in it
> Is okay with Presidential language that includes calling people traitors, very bad people, scum of the earth, sons of bitches, plus a 'fuck' on national radio
> sees Biden as senile but also sees the wily hand of Biden in the 4 (and counting) criminal indictments of DJT
> thinks our 2023 economy sucks but doesn't remember how the indicators shaped up in January 2021
> thinks the Jan. 6 mob was more like concerned citizens with a legitimate political discourse than criminals
Okay I feel a little better now.
Elixir
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WUT? You and Buzz,.,, so deluded.
Biden did NOT foster buddy relationships with dictators. Trump did.
Listen to Biden's speech last night if you don't believe me. He knows that the Trumputin coalition is bad news - no matter what it does.
Elixir
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All that, but - I doubt that Buzz will be showing up here to give a list of Trump's (non-existent) accomplishments. If he does show up here it will be to defend his fondness for Trump, not Trump himself.
Cheerful Charlie
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Trump was the worst president ever. His massive tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations gave us $7 trillion in defiicits. Deficits now being used by the GOP to justify slashing Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. He lied to the U.S. about covid which caused many deaths. Trump slashed regulations allow big corporations to pollute our air, water, and soil. He cozied up to Putin, Little Rocket Man, and damaged the prestige of the U.S. worldwide, weakening our soft power. He lied at least 30,000 lies by then end of his administration. Trump accomplished little good, and didn't even really try. He was a crook while in office. And fomented violent insurrection to stay in office. Plus crap like the false elector scheme. "Find me 11 thousands votes."
Don't get me started!
Don't get me started!
Cheerful Charlie
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And, Lock Trump up! Which in fact may very well happen.
ideologyhunter
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I won't live to see that, buuuuut, if it happened, I'd want his cellmate to belong to the Latin Kings. Ay que la chinga, muthafucka!
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The crazy thing about Trump is that he actually makes Richard Nixon look better.
Tricky Dick was easily the worst President in my life. Corrupt as fuck, racist, and literally the only President to ever resign in shame.
Yet...he had shame.
I remember watching his resignation on television as a young man. Even at my tender age, I caught what was going on. I asked my parents "why does it seem like he's about to cry?"
Because he was. Nixon was so emotional because he'd spent his entire life in service to the country (military, public service, elected office) and in that moment he was being fired by the country he loved so much. Yes, he was a crook for the ages, but at his core, Dick was a patriot. He genuinely believed he was the man for the job. That he knew what was best for the country. That he could fix it. When it all came crashing down, he had to cope with the fact that the country said "I'm sorry, but we've decided to go in a different direction. We wish you well in all your future endeavors, and someone from HR will be along shortly to escort you out of the facility."
He packed his box of personal belongings and left.
Trump had no intention of going so quietly.
Cheerful Charlie
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If Trump is found guilty in court, sentenced to prison, and dragged out of court by a pack of burly baliffs, I will declare it a national holiday. For years afterwards, people will be asking, "Where were you when Trump was found guilty and sentenced to prison?". "Tell us again Grandpa how you nearly laughed to death when Trump was dragged out of court to prison!".
ideologyhunter
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I'd want a Jim Bakker moment -- crawling under a table in tears. Trump would scream that he wouldn't come out. Then the bailiffs would really be grabbing a pussy.
Cheerful Charlie
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I do remember Jimbo assuming the fetal position. A brave, brave man.
Trump is distinguished by one feat. He is the only President who failed to win the majority of votes cast in two consecutive elections.
Swammerdami
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I think Richard Nixon is under-rated. George W. Bush was certainly a much worse President. The insane War against Iraq cost a million lives (if we count non-American lives, which many Americans do not); and cost trillions of dollars of U.S. treasure. The war was fought over lies -- lies that were known by the liars to be lies. Wolfowitz thought war would be fun; Bolton never saw an Arab he didn't want to kill; the aging Rumsfeld knew it was his last chance to test new theories of warfare. Cheney probably literally pursued the War because of the opportunities to enrich his buddies at Halliburton, Carlyle Group, etc. Bush was just a hapless puppet, far too naive and stupid to function as Potus.
In addition to the million lives and trillion dollars wasted in Iraq, the foolishness led to failure in Afghanistan, and chaos throughout the Arab world, chaos still reverberating two decades later. The Katrina disaster and especially the bungled response by Bush's White House cemented his status as the Worst President ever prior to the Malignant Narcissist.
In many ways, Nixon was a GOOD President. He cooled tensions with both the Soviets and China, and ended the War in Vietnam. Unlike Trump and Cheney -- whose goals were personal enrichment -- Nixon was a patriot who saw the Presidency as his chance to contribute positively. He had the gumption to revoke America's 40 year-old commitment to selling gold at a statutory price. (Can you imagine Rand Paul or any of the Ilk having the gumption to do that? First they'd connive to buy billions in gold for their family and friends.) And don't forget that Nixon pushed -- against the wishes of his own party -- for a socialized healthcare program that was MORE progressive than Obamacare! (It failed when Demos thought it not progressive enough. Instead Dems had to wait decades to get the watered-down Obamacare: especially watered down since the vote of DINO Lieberman (Senator for Aetna) was needed to break the QOPAnon filibuster.)
It is said that Nixon's criminality reduced respect for the institution, but six years later Ronald Reagan was elected, the man who did far FAR more damage to America than Nixon ever did. And some experts regard LBJ as more corrupt than Nixon, just clever enough to avoid getting caught.
It's pretty clear who the five worst Presidents since Warren Harding were:
#1 Donald Trump
#2 George W. Bush
tied for #3-4-5 Ronald Reagan
tied for #3-4-5 Richard Nixon
tied for #3-4-5 Lyndon Johnson
#6? John F. Kennedy
But the tie for #3-4-5 isn't easy to adjudicate.Swammerdami
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@NightHawkBuzz; -- The Board is lucky to have someone as intelligent and articulate as yourself help us understand the appeal of Donald Trump.
I asked you some specific questions. Will you help us by answering them?
Or is your worship of Donald Trump similar to worship of Jesus Christ -- you know in your heart he is messiah and savior, and the factual queries of heretics must not be allowed to interfere with your faith?
I asked you some specific questions. Will you help us by answering them?
Or is your worship of Donald Trump similar to worship of Jesus Christ -- you know in your heart he is messiah and savior, and the factual queries of heretics must not be allowed to interfere with your faith?