Is there a God of atheism?

[ideologyhunter]

You're playing armchair psycholgist with Our Armchair Psychologist. God knows where that will lead.

 

[Gospel]

While the square and circle intersect at specific points, the characteristics of the square's corners do not alter the inherent properties of the circle, nor does the circle impart any qualities to the square's corners. It is more accurate to state that they share points of intersection without influencing each other's shape than it is to say:

There can be four corners on a circle!

 

[Unknown Soldier]

While the square and circle intersect at specific points, the characteristics of the square's corners do not alter the inherent properties of the circle, nor does the circle impart any qualities to the square's corners. It is more accurate to state that they share points of intersection without influencing each other's shape than it is to say:

There can be four corners on a circle!

That's correct but I fail to see your "point."

 

[Gospel]

Your valuable contributions are getting lost in the shuffle due to a less-than-stellar execution of the points system.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I think people are losing sight of the big picture and allowing themselves to be distracted by whatever tangent this fool throws in front of us. There is no God of atheism. If someone wants to argue there is, hold their feet to the fire and make them show their work.

He wants us to believe in a circle with corners,,,. As least that’s what I think he wants.

He doesn’t want to commit to definitions that preclude his conclusions. So, we just have to open up our thinking so that atheists can believe in gods, atheism can be a religion, bachelors can be married, circles can have corners, etc. he doesn’t seem to want us to take the “easy way out” and say these things can’t be true by definition.

Shad, if I pay you $1,000, will you stop attacking me and stick with the subject?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Your valuable contributions are getting lost in the shuffle due to a less-than-stellar execution of the points system.

I don't know what that means.

 

[Gospel]

Your valuable contributions are getting lost in the shuffle due to a less-than-stellar execution of the points system.

I don't know what that mans.

Never mind then. It's not worth expanding on as it was intended to be a joke.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I think people are losing sight of the big picture and allowing themselves to be distracted by whatever tangent this fool throws in front of us.

The tangents come up whenever he is cornered.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

There is no god of atheism.
No definition of “god” that is recognizable by any theist is a part of the world of atheists.

Tricksy clever wordplay is defined, for atheism, as humor or attempted humor. Not as god.


Is there a god of atheism?
No. By definition.

I basically agree that atheists don't have Gods that they are aware of, but I think that many if not most atheists have "God substitutes." That is, atheists have idols of sorts that they use to replace God and religion with.

 

[TomC]

There is no god of atheism.
No definition of “god” that is recognizable by any theist is a part of the world of atheists.

Tricksy clever wordplay is defined, for atheism, as humor or attempted humor. Not as god.


Is there a god of atheism?
No. By definition.

I basically agree that atheists don't have Gods that they are aware of, but I think that many if not most atheists have "God substitutes." That is, atheists have idols of sorts that they use to replace God and religion with.

Could you explain what you mean by "God substitutes"?

So far, your logic seems to be:
God believers often behave badly.
Atheists often behave badly.
Therefore, atheists must believe in God.(or God substitute or whatever)
Tom

 

[James Brown]

So the definition of a God is "anything a person values dearly"?

Welp, I guess I'm not an atheist then.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I think people are losing sight of the big picture and allowing themselves to be distracted by whatever tangent this fool throws in front of us.

The tangents come up whenever he is cornered.

Actually, the whole business of corners on a circle was raised by Shadowy Man on Post #2. It was there that he asked:

Are there corners on a circle?

So will you admit you're wrong by accusing me of coming up with tangents? Something I never did but that Shad is guilty of?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

There is no god of atheism.
No definition of “god” that is recognizable by any theist is a part of the world of atheists.

Tricksy clever wordplay is defined, for atheism, as humor or attempted humor. Not as god.


Is there a god of atheism?
No. By definition.

I basically agree that atheists don't have Gods that they are aware of, but I think that many if not most atheists have "God substitutes." That is, atheists have idols of sorts that they use to replace God and religion with.

Could you explain what you mean by "God substitutes"?

Absolutely! Typical "God substitutes" include things like people we see as heroes or idols. Such heroes or idols can be individuals or groups. We can also use things like science or philosophy to replace God with. I remember a man I know who was seeking a "higher power" which turned out to be psychology.

So far, your logic seems to be:
God believers often behave badly.
Atheists often behave badly.
Therefore, atheists must believe in God.(or God substitute or whatever)

That looks like a strawman argument if I ever saw one. Why not critique what I actually do argue?

• The religious if they are theists have Gods they look to for hope, provision, comfort, and a sense of communion with others who believe in the same God.
• Atheists have God-substitutes they look to for hope, provision, comfort, and a sense of communion with others who believe in the same God-substitute.
• Therefore, atheists are not left out in the cold but survive on something they think can offer what a God can offer.

 

[TomC]

Typical "God substitutes" include things like people we see as heroes or idols.

You mean people like Hitler, Joseph Smith, Trump, Stalin, Falwell?

All those people were, or claimed to be, Believers.

Being a staunch supporter of civil equality, and people who advocate that, isn't the same thing.

Any more than circles and squares are the same thing.
Tom

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I think people are losing sight of the big picture and allowing themselves to be distracted by whatever tangent this fool throws in front of us.

The tangents come up whenever he is cornered.

Actually, the whole business of corners on a circle was raised by Shadowy Man on Post #2. It was there that he asked:

Are there corners on a circle?

So will you admit you're wrong by accusing me of coming up with tangents? Something I never did but that Shad is guilty of?

That point was "on top of" your head: there are an infinite number of tangents to a circle.

 

[bilby]

There is no god of atheism.
No definition of “god” that is recognizable by any theist is a part of the world of atheists.

Tricksy clever wordplay is defined, for atheism, as humor or attempted humor. Not as god.


Is there a god of atheism?
No. By definition.

I basically agree that atheists don't have Gods that they are aware of, but I think that many if not most atheists have "God substitutes." That is, atheists have idols of sorts that they use to replace God and religion with.

Reality doesn't care what you think.

You are just wrong. Never mind. Lots of people are wrong about all kinds of stuff. This is just one of your times to be wrong.

The only question for you now, is: Do you think about your position, examine the evidence and testimony you have received in response to declaring your position, and change your position so that you are not wrong in the future; Or do you double down on your error, declare all the atheists who are telling you that you are mistaken to be liars and meanies, who care so deeply about you personally that they are desperate to mislead you, and carry on making erroneous claims that lead your audience to believe you a fool?

So far, you appear to be leaning toward option two, which is disappointing, but not surprising.

 

[James Brown]

Absolutely! Typical "God substitutes" include things like people we see as heroes or idols. Such heroes or idols can be individuals or groups. We can also use things like science or philosophy to replace God with. I remember a man I know who was seeking a "higher power" which turned out to be psychology.

So because I admire Carl Sagan, he's a substitute God to me?

Only if the meaning of "God" becomes stretched to meaningless, I think.

 

[bilby]

Absolutely! Typical "God substitutes" include things like people we see as heroes or idols. Such heroes or idols can be individuals or groups. We can also use things like science or philosophy to replace God with. I remember a man I know who was seeking a "higher power" which turned out to be psychology.

So because I admire Carl Sagan, he's a substitute God to me?

Only if the meaning of "God" becomes stretched to meaningless, I think.

Do you worship Carl Sagan? Do you believe that he can help you in your daily life (despite being dead)? Do you think that his writings are perfect and cannot contain any mistakes or inaccuracies?

I rather doubt it.

Sagan was entertaining, well informed, and very good at helping others to become better informed about reality. But he wasn't a God in any sense, and he doubtless made some mistakes - because everyone makes mistakes* - and so it would be the height of foolishness to accept his word for anything, without checking against the reality he purports to describe.

Nullius in Verba, as they say at the Royal Society.







* Even me. I made a mistake once; I thought I was wrong about something, but it turned out that I wasn't.

 

[Emily Lake]

I think people are losing sight of the big picture and allowing themselves to be distracted by whatever tangent this fool throws in front of us. There is no God of atheism. If someone wants to argue there is, hold their feet to the fire and make them show their work.

It's kind of sweet that you think he has work to show.

 

[Emily Lake]

I think people are losing sight of the big picture and allowing themselves to be distracted by whatever tangent this fool throws in front of us. There is no God of atheism. If someone wants to argue there is, hold their feet to the fire and make them show their work.

He wants us to believe in a circle with corners,,,. As least that’s what I think he wants.

He doesn’t want to commit to definitions that preclude his conclusions. So, we just have to open up our thinking so that atheists can believe in gods, atheism can be a religion, bachelors can be married, circles can have corners, etc. he doesn’t seem to want us to take the “easy way out” and say these things can’t be true by definition.

Shad, if I pay you $1,000, will you stop attacking me and stick with the subject?

How about you pay yourself $1000 and stop attacking the posters here that disagree with you? That would probably be more effective for all of us, and it would cost you a lot less.