Such depravity, such betrayal, Gisèle Pelicot rape trial

[TSwizzle]

Sickening;

Dominique Pelicot, one of the worst sex offenders in modern French history, has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for drugging his then wife, Gisèle, and inviting dozens of men to rape her in her home in the south of France over almost a decade. The historic trial of 51 men was held in public after Gisèle Pelicot waived her right to anonymity so that “shame could change sides”. Alongside Dominique Pelicot, guilty verdicts were returned on Thursday for all the accused men including a nurse, a soldier, a journalist, a prison warden and delivery drivers, aged from 26 to 74. Forty-seven were convicted of rape, two of attempted rape and two of sexual assault. Dominique Pelicot, 72, a retired electrician and former estate agent, was given the maximum sentence of 20 years for drugging and raping his then wife and inviting men to rape her when she was in a comatose state. The court heard that he crushed sleeping tablets and anti-anxiety medication into her mashed potato, coffee or ice-cream and invited dozens of men to rape her over a nine-year period from 2011 in the village of Mazan, Provence, where the couple had retired. After videos of the rapes by him and other men were found meticulously categorised on his computer hard drive in a file labelled “abuse”, Dominique Pelicot admitted the charges in court, telling judges: “I am a rapist.” He was also convicted of placing hidden cameras in bathrooms and bedrooms in his own home and that of his family to make and distribute naked images of his adult daughter and the wives of his sons.

Teh Gruaniad

I believe there were more than 51 participants in the rape of this woman.

It is shocking that so many men, professionals, husbands, fathers would participate in such an act. But should I be really shocked? Is this new?

 

[steve_bank]

If you want examples of sexual depravity look at the extremes of Internet porn including explicit bestiality.

Rape, gang rape, and forced sex is a very common porn theme. Teen sex live on the net overseas. Teen sex tourism overseas.

Now that people are free to speak in Syria reports of sexual slavery and rape are coming out.

There is the current cases of sexual abuse by the wealthy icons in the music business that nay involve well known figures as participants.

So no, nothing new as far as I know.

 

[Elixir]

sexual abuse by the wealthy icons in the music business

Sexual abuse by wealthy icons in the _____ business is commonplace.
Getting caught is exceptional. After all, wealthy icons are wealthy.

 

[steve_bank]

In the last big Hollywood sex scandal it came out it was an open secret in the Hollywood community.

Nobody even the hard core co0re liberals did not speak out, they put their own career and financial interests instead of speaking out.

 

[TSwizzle]

If you want examples of sexual depravity look at the extremes of Internet porn including explicit bestiality.

No thank you and I recommend you purge your browsing history.

Rape, gang rape, and forced sex is a very common porn theme. Teen sex live on the net overseas. Teen sex tourism overseas.

What on earth do you do all day?!

{snip}

There is the current cases of sexual abuse by the wealthy icons in the music business that nay involve well known figures as participants.

So no, nothing new as far as I know.

Sure, the upper echelons of the wealthy and privileged classes have always enjoyed a level debauchery that most can't imagine. But the Pelicot case is most disturbing as it involves ordinary and otherwise bland people. A husband that drugged his wife and scoured the internet for men to come to his home and rape his comatose wife is beyond belief. Something is sick in society.

 

[Elixir]

Something is sick in society.

Starting to figure that out after voting for the icon of said sickness?

 

[steve_bank]

If you want examples of sexual depravity look at the extremes of Internet porn including explicit bestiality.

No thank you and I recommend you purge your browsing history.

Rape, gang rape, and forced sex is a very common porn theme. Teen sex live on the net overseas. Teen sex tourism overseas.

What on earth do you do all day?!

{snip}

There is the current cases of sexual abuse by the wealthy icons in the music business that nay involve well known figures as participants.

So no, nothing new as far as I know.

Sure, the upper echelons of the wealthy and privileged classes have always enjoyed a level debauchery that most can't imagine. But the Pelicot case is most disturbing as it involves ordinary and otherwise bland people. A husband that drugged his wife and scoured the internet for men to come to his home and rape his comatose wife is beyond belief. Something is sick in society.

Ordinary bland people don't usually do things like that? You must not watch any of the national, local, and global reporting. And you must have limited experience with people in general.

IMO there is a general sickness in our pop couture and sex abuse is one manifestation. Just look at the movies that are now consderd normal entertainment. Grotesque violence.

There is a movie The Woman With The Dragon Tattoo with a rape scene. Pretty graphic but penetration is not shown. A woman tied to a bed and screaming as she is raped.

That is entertainment today. Mainstream movies.

From global reporting kids and young adults are in a bad way.

I guess all is well in normal happy Santa Monica '...where nary is heard a discouraging word and the skies are not cloudy all day.....'

 

[TSwizzle]

If you want examples of sexual depravity look at the extremes of Internet porn including explicit bestiality.

No thank you and I recommend you purge your browsing history.

Rape, gang rape, and forced sex is a very common porn theme. Teen sex live on the net overseas. Teen sex tourism overseas.

What on earth do you do all day?!

{snip}

There is the current cases of sexual abuse by the wealthy icons in the music business that nay involve well known figures as participants.

So no, nothing new as far as I know.

Sure, the upper echelons of the wealthy and privileged classes have always enjoyed a level debauchery that most can't imagine. But the Pelicot case is most disturbing as it involves ordinary and otherwise bland people. A husband that drugged his wife and scoured the internet for men to come to his home and rape his comatose wife is beyond belief. Something is sick in society.

Ordinary bland people don't usually do things like that? You must not watch any of the national, local, and global reporting. And you must have limited experience with people in general.

I don't recall anything similar to this. Maybe it does go on a lot more than any of us are aware of but it is still shocking to me.

 

[steve_bank]

IMO we are sliding into a cultural shit hole, fortunately I will not live long enough to see how it all plays out.

 

[Tigers!]

Giesle Pelicot is an exceptional brave woman. To have such knowledge of what was done to her been made public is an act of exposure of the sordidness of some parts of society.

I salute her courage and strength.

 

[Rhea]

It is shocking that so many men, professionals, husbands, fathers would participate in such an act. But should I be really shocked? Is this new?

I agree it is shocking. But sadly, not new. This has happened to developmentally disabled women for… forever. Nowadays it is considered wise to give developmentally disabled women birth control as soon as they menstruate to protect against this. And it has happened as well to an untold many women through drugging or coercion or capture. This is, in a nutshell, the human trafficking trade. And many many many men participate in it, all of them “normal” men that you encounter.

This case is exceptionally depraved, IMHO because of the betrayal by a husband (and father - his daughter was also a victim). Combined with the other men who did this, and the ones that did it to her multiple times. Horrible. Horrific.

And I agree with Tiger - her courage is absolutely astonishing. Her courage to help the public understand that this is NOT a one of a kind crime, and that women, and sometimes men as well, all over the world are not supported or believed when they try to report sex crimes, and usually do not even report sex crimes because of society’s additional crime of heaping shame and fault upon them. Her incredible bravery to serve other victims, other women and girls is just monumental. I am in awe of her strength of purpose.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Sickening;

Dominique Pelicot, one of the worst sex offenders in modern French history, has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for drugging his then wife, Gisèle, and inviting dozens of men to rape her in her home in the south of France over almost a decade. The historic trial of 51 men was held in public after Gisèle Pelicot waived her right to anonymity so that “shame could change sides”. Alongside Dominique Pelicot, guilty verdicts were returned on Thursday for all the accused men including a nurse, a soldier, a journalist, a prison warden and delivery drivers, aged from 26 to 74. Forty-seven were convicted of rape, two of attempted rape and two of sexual assault. Dominique Pelicot, 72, a retired electrician and former estate agent, was given the maximum sentence of 20 years for drugging and raping his then wife and inviting men to rape her when she was in a comatose state. The court heard that he crushed sleeping tablets and anti-anxiety medication into her mashed potato, coffee or ice-cream and invited dozens of men to rape her over a nine-year period from 2011 in the village of Mazan, Provence, where the couple had retired. After videos of the rapes by him and other men were found meticulously categorised on his computer hard drive in a file labelled “abuse”, Dominique Pelicot admitted the charges in court, telling judges: “I am a rapist.” He was also convicted of placing hidden cameras in bathrooms and bedrooms in his own home and that of his family to make and distribute naked images of his adult daughter and the wives of his sons.

Teh Gruaniad

I believe there were more than 51 participants in the rape of this woman.

It is shocking that so many men, professionals, husbands, fathers would participate in such an act. But should I be really shocked? Is this new?

Note two things:

1) This happened in France. That's very far from most of us.

2) There is only one such case being reported.

This is news specifically because it's very rare. There probably have been other such cases in the past that didn't get the worldwide attention. It's not that bad things actually happen more frequently, it's that the news of bad things spreads further. We hear bad things from farther away than we used to usually hear much of anything. "How far away was it" is actually a useful test of rareness. Events which are not rare are not reported far from where they happen.

 

[Rhea]

2) There is only one such case being reported.

This is news specifically because it's very rare.

OFFS.

There are many cases, reported all the time. You don’t notice them.
You must have slept through the entire #metoo movement when women all around you were telling you all over and over how NOT rare this depravity is.

Every man wgho was payinb any attention at all responded with, “holy shit, I had no idea how many women I know have been sexually assualted, and by family members”

But yeah, keep on with “this is rare.”

#metoo

 

[bilby]

2) There is only one such case being reported.

This is news specifically because it's very rare.

OFFS.

There are many cases, reported all the time. You don’t notice them.
You must have slept through the entire #metoo movement when women all around you were telling you all over and over how NOT rare this depravity is.

Every man wgho was payinb any attention at all responded with, “holy shit, I had no idea how many women I know have been sexually assualted, and by family members”

But yeah, keep on with “this is rare.”

#metoo

Nah, he's right*. Women having the courage to speak up is fairly rare; Having the extreme courage to reject the anonymity usually offered them by the legal system is rarer still; And having a legal system that investigates thoroughly and brings the perpetrators to justice is even rarer again.

Note that in this case, many of the defendants argued that, while what they had done was not in dispute, it was not rape under French law, because the law defines rape as "a penetrative act or oral sex act committed on someone using violence, coercion, threat or surprise", and does not mention "consent" at all. That is, they argued that what they did wasn't against French law, and that despite having victimised Mme Pelicot in the most vile of fashions, they should not be considered criminals.

That their lawyers thought that such a defense was even worth attempting, illustrates just how difficult it is for victims of rape to successfully bring charges against their attackers.

The system is structured to make effective complaints by victims as difficult as possible, and to keep those few cases which do result in conviction as confidential and unpublicised as possible (ostensibly to protect the victims). It should surprise nobody that the result is that such effective complaints are rare, and that news of them is rarer still.

The offence of rape is common. Victims who are not silenced, marginalised and ignored are very rare indeed.








* While at the same time being hopelessly wrong

 

[Loren Pechtel]

2) There is only one such case being reported.

This is news specifically because it's very rare.

OFFS.

There are many cases, reported all the time. You don’t notice them.
You must have slept through the entire #metoo movement when women all around you were telling you all over and over how NOT rare this depravity is.

Every man wgho was payinb any attention at all responded with, “holy shit, I had no idea how many women I know have been sexually assualted, and by family members”

But yeah, keep on with “this is rare.”

#metoo

Metoo is not about cases like this. This is an extreme we don't normally see.

 

[Bomb#20]

Sickening;

Teh Gruaniad

I believe there were more than 51 participants in the rape of this woman.

It is shocking that so many men, professionals, husbands, fathers would participate in such an act. But should I be really shocked? Is this new?

Note two things:

1) This happened in France. That's very far from most of us.

2) There is only one such case being reported.

This is news specifically because it's very rare. There probably have been other such cases in the past that didn't get the worldwide attention. It's not that bad things actually happen more frequently, it's that the news of bad things spreads further. We hear bad things from farther away than we used to usually hear much of anything. "How far away was it" is actually a useful test of rareness. Events which are not rare are not reported far from where they happen.

But what you're not taking into account is:

3) These men were only caught because Dominique Pelicot is an unutterable moron who not only committed crimes he knew his countrymen would find outrageous and punish him severely for if they ever found out, but photographed himself committing them. And then he compounded that idiocy by leaving the pictures where any policeman taking an interest could find them.

This sort of crime is news specifically because proof of it is very rare. But the rarity of the news doesn't tell us a whole lot about how often similarly depraved crimes are committed by non-morons with the wit to take the most trivial precautions not to be caught. It's not just that bad things are reported from farther away now; it's also that before everyone and his mother had an electronic video camera, criminals had to put a bit more planning and effort into making it that easy for the police.

 

[Elixir]

This is an extreme we don't normally see.

It's the seeing that is extreme, not the rape or the spousal rape or the gang rape.

 

[TSwizzle]

FFS, what is going on with some men

A married ex-Wall Street executive has been sentenced to 30 years after admitting to drugging and raping multiple women in his upscale Manhattan apartment, keeping chilling planning notes to document his decade-long predatory rampage. Edward Gene Smith, 50, admitted to attacking his victims at his luxury apartment opposite Central Park, as well as amassing a stash of more than 9,000 child sexual abuse images, as part of his twisted spree. Prosecutors said the Harvard-educated bigwig, who was most recently a Citigroup managing director, hid ‘behind the façade of a well-educated bank executive’ to prey on and lure in his young victims. Smith also kept chilling spreadsheets and planning notes on just how many drugs to administer - and would then record some of the assaults to share with online groups who took pleasure in drugging their partners, according court documents. ‘His disdain for his victims is palpable and he is unrepentant. The defendant is a serial rapist who used his money, access and affluence to drug and rape young women,' prosecutors said during his sentencing hearing on Tuesday. 'The women were young and many were from foreign countries or faraway states and had previous sexual trauma. They were not momentary lapses in judgment, these were well-thought-out crimes. ‘Why the defendant has done this is utterly unexplained. 'Smith's reign of terror came crashing down in late 2024 when he was arrested on a six-count indictment for drugging and assaulting various women.
In one incident, he admitted to luring a victim to his luxury apartment at Central Park South in April 2023, where he laced her drink with the sedative Klonopin and then raped her while she was unconscious.

He recorded the attack and then shared the footage with an online group dedicated to sharing clips of incapacitated or unconscious women in sexually exploitative positions.

Daily Mail

What sickness do these monsters have?

 

[Elixir]

What sickness do these monsters have?

I think he was a Donald Trump protégé.
That would ‘splain it.

 

[steve_bank]

If you want examples of sexual depravity look at the extremes of Internet porn including explicit bestiality.

No thank you and I recommend you purge your browsing history.

Rape, gang rape, and forced sex is a very common porn theme. Teen sex live on the net overseas. Teen sex tourism overseas.

What on earth do you do all day?!

{snip}

There is the current cases of sexual abuse by the wealthy icons in the music business that nay involve well known figures as participants.

So no, nothing new as far as I know.

Sure, the upper echelons of the wealthy and privileged classes have always enjoyed a level debauchery that most can't imagine. But the Pelicot case is most disturbing as it involves ordinary and otherwise bland people. A husband that drugged his wife and scoured the internet for men to come to his home and rape his comatose wife is beyond belief. Something is sick in society.

You started a thread on sexual depravity, why? Did you think it would titillate others?

Drugging women for sexual abuses is far from new. Getting a woman drunk is probably as old as human civilization. More modern are date rape drugs. Slipped into a dink in a bar. Old news.

In high schoools girls bing assaulted a by multiple boys.

Sexual abuse in Hollywood has long been an open secret.

The original Law And Order Speciak Victims Unit year by year got progressively more perverse and graphic in the fictional cases of sexual abuse. People ate it up, a popular show.

The rape scene in the movie Woman With The Dragon Tattoo. To many people it is great move making. A screaming woman tied to a bed raped. I herd about it on the net and watched the scenee.

The actress who did thee scene was in an interviewer a few months ago. It is mainstream entertainment.

Swinging, open marriages, and sex clubs go back to the 60s. Clubs where a woman, or man, can go to be sexually degraded.

Histrionically I doubt it is new. Gang rape is a common theme in porn. Rape histrionically has been part of conquest and subjugation in war. It is going on as we speak in conduct areas.

This is not new. Multiple conflict areas.

AI Overview
In the ongoing civil war in Sudan, which began in April 2023, rape and sexual violence have been systematically used as weapons of war by combatants, amounting to war crimes and potential crimes against humanity. Human rights groups and United Nations bodies report that thousands of women and children have been targeted with rape, gang rape, sexual slavery, and abduction.

Culturally IMO we have gone off the deep end into perversion as entertainment in different forms.

Tswizzle, is the Guardian your one and only source of news and issues?

I do what I have always doe, make myself aware of reality I am immersed in. I do not shrink or cower frm it, it is what it is.