Pizzagate gunman killed

[Jimmy Higgins]

I had assumed Welch was suffering from mental illness. But if he was, wouldn't his guns have been taken?

Not necessarily. There was a case 15 years ago in Portlandia, where Keton Otis, a mentally ill man was pulled over and started shooting at police.

My memory isn't what it was, but even in my best of days, I am amazed with your memory palace on Bad Shit Blacks Dun. 15 years ago and you can recall that?

 

[Arctish]

A burden to society finally eliminated. Now I'm waiting for the right wingers who were foaming at the mouth about Neely to be upset by this.

Why? Is an overzealous DA charging the cop with manslaughter like Alvin Bragg did with Penny Mike Nifong did with the Duke lacrosse players?

FIFY

 

[Derec]

A burden to society finally eliminated. Now I'm waiting for the right wingers who were foaming at the mouth about Neely to be upset by this.

Why? Is an overzealous DA charging the cop with manslaughter like Alvin Bragg did with Penny Mike Nifong did with the Duke lacrosse players?

FIFY

How is this fixing it? GenesisNemesis mentioned Neely and I made a direct reference to that case.

That said, Nifong's conduct was ridiculously corrupt. It just has nothing to do with Neely.

 

[Derec]

My memory isn't what it was, but even in my best of days, I am amazed with your memory palace on Bad Shit Blacks Dun. 15 years ago and you can recall that?

I remembered the case because one of the cops later became a prosecutor and people were losing their shit over it.

But why are you amazed? This is only 15 years. When it comes to "Bad Shit Whites Dun" 1950s (e.g. Emmett Till) or even 1920s (Tulsa riots) are not too far in the past. What's 2010 against that?

 

[Patooka]

Should this go in the Police Misconduct thread, or is this a "good kind" of police misconduct?

Welch allegedly pointed a gun at an officer. Typically the misconduct thread involves unarmed people being killed.

Time will tell what the details are. For example, did the officer try to de-escalate the situation prior to shooting?

That a question that should be asked after every police involved shooting. And it probably will be investigated in this instance. Unfortunately, that isn't always the case.

 

[Toni]

Bet you anything the right wingers will make a big deal about the word "allegedly" despite them never giving the same consideration to other cases involving unarmed black men.

It's the opposite. I do not see anybody protesting or "burning this bitch down" over this idiot, but that happens often even when armed black men get shot by police. For example Keith Lamont Scott, who was armed but whose shooting still triggered violent riots by #BLM.

Oh yeah another thing I noticed is they'll do the same thing for rape cases and say it's just alleged. But not when it comes to certain police killings.

Rape cases usually have poor evidence and come down to "he said, she said". But that also depends. There wasn't much "allegedly" coming out of mouths of Nancy Disgrace, several Duke professors and their Ilk during the Duke Lacrosse False Rape Case. They were all so sure the players must have been guilty because they were white and male.

Obviously nothing remotely like proof but back in the days when we lived in grad housing(not at Duke), the lacrosse team lived at the next apartment complex over and loved to really party. Favorite song? Never knew the title but it involved loud shouting of the words Gang Bang. Repeatedly. So maybe there was a reason that the Duke players seemed suspicious. Just like there was a reason that in my freshman dorm , the upper class women quietly told the freshmen girls to steer clear of frat parties. As in: DO NOT GO. Under any circumstances.

I don’t think that lacrosse players or frat boys have a predisposition to sexually assault drunk girls but I do think that those groups plus lots of alcohol plus a lot of testosterone mixed with a lot of immaturity does make for a dangerous atmosphere for all. Especially women.

 

[Arctish]

A burden to society finally eliminated. Now I'm waiting for the right wingers who were foaming at the mouth about Neely to be upset by this.

Why? Is an overzealous DA charging the cop with manslaughter like Alvin Bragg did with Penny Mike Nifong did with the Duke lacrosse players?

FIFY

How is this fixing it? GenesisNemesis mentioned Neely and I made a direct reference to that case.

That said, Nifong's conduct was ridiculously corrupt. It just has nothing to do with Neely.

You had already referenced the Duke lacrosse team case. Using Nifong as your example would have made your reason for bringing it up clearer and your argument stronger. Bringing up Bragg made your argument less focused and your point harder to see.

Unless you weren't trying to make a point about the Duke lacrosse team case... ?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The pizzagate conspiracy was being spread by only slightly fringe of the Republicans, for example, Michael Flynn's son, but it fit with mainstream Republican propaganda such as Democrats human trafficking/Satanic pedophiles etc conspiracy theories. There are even people on this site who were posting videos of Biden and children that fit with the narrative, whether or not they specifically endorsed that narrative. One of them is in this thread, suggesting the police should be investigated.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

My memory isn't what it was, but even in my best of days, I am amazed with your memory palace on Bad Shit Blacks Dun. 15 years ago and you can recall that?

I remembered the case because one of the cops later became a prosecutor and people were losing their shit over it.

But why are you amazed? This is only 15 years. When it comes to "Bad Shit Whites Dun" 1950s (e.g. Emmett Till) or even 1920s (Tulsa riots) are not too far in the past. What's 2010 against that?

As a tiny reminder, the example you brought up was an armed person getting shot by the police... not a person being lynched by racist mofos.

I had no idea you were that far gone.

 

[laughing dog]

I had assumed Welch was suffering from mental illness. But if he was, wouldn't his guns have been taken?

Not necessarily. There was a case 15 years ago in Portlandia, where Keton Otis, a mentally ill man was pulled over and started shooting at police. Even though one cop was wounded before Otis was shot back by police, the usual suspects are still blaming the police.

If you are going to smear the victim, do it with correct spelling of the name right and no factual omissions. According to your link, Mr Keaton Otis was racially profiled and attacked by the police before he opened fire.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I had assumed Welch was suffering from mental illness. But if he was, wouldn't his guns have been taken? Now he follows the Las Vegas bomber who appeared to be suffering greatly, but was wanting to purge the nation of Democrats. It is getting harder to draw the line between mental illness and what apparently is considered the right-wing today.

Though, this guy might just been dumb and angry, and not suffering from mental illness.

Well, is major stupidity not a form of mental illness?

His judgment was horrible but I doubt there was a specific mental illness.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Should this go in the Police Misconduct thread, or is this a "good kind" of police misconduct?

Welch allegedly pointed a gun at an officer. Typically the misconduct thread involves unarmed people being killed.

Time will tell what the details are.

It will, hence why I said "allegedly". It is possible they barked inaudible stuff at him, that he didn't have time to understand, and then they let 16 shots rain out. Or, they could have provided him clear instruction, he ignored it, and they fired in response.

It doesn't really matter if the police were inaudible. You're confronted by a police gun, you should immediately drop any weapon or weapon-like object. You don't need to understand what the officer says to do that.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A burden to society finally eliminated. Now I'm waiting for the right wingers who were foaming at the mouth about Neely to be upset by this.

Why? Is an overzealous DA charging the cop with manslaughter like Alvin Bragg did with Penny Mike Nifong did with the Duke lacrosse players?

FIFY

Fixed? Both were out of line.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Should this go in the Police Misconduct thread, or is this a "good kind" of police misconduct?

Welch allegedly pointed a gun at an officer. Typically the misconduct thread involves unarmed people being killed.

Time will tell what the details are. For example, did the officer try to de-escalate the situation prior to shooting?

That a question that should be asked after every police involved shooting. And it probably will be investigated in this instance. Unfortunately, that isn't always the case.

The guy had a gun. There's not much room for your magic spell.

 

[TomC]

I had assumed Welch was suffering from mental illness. But if he was, wouldn't his guns have been taken? Now he follows the Las Vegas bomber who appeared to be suffering greatly, but was wanting to purge the nation of Democrats. It is getting harder to draw the line between mental illness and what apparently is considered the right-wing today.

Though, this guy might just been dumb and angry, and not suffering from mental illness.

Well, is major stupidity not a form of mental illness?

His judgment was horrible but I doubt there was a specific mental illness.

Whether it's our natural processes or God given nature,

There's no clear line between regular human stupidity and profound mental illness.
Tom

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Bet you anything the right wingers will make a big deal about the word "allegedly" despite them never giving the same consideration to other cases involving unarmed black men.

It's the opposite. I do not see anybody protesting or "burning this bitch down" over this idiot, but that happens often even when armed black men get shot by police. For example Keith Lamont Scott, who was armed but whose shooting still triggered violent riots by #BLM.

Oh yeah another thing I noticed is they'll do the same thing for rape cases and say it's just alleged. But not when it comes to certain police killings.

Rape cases usually have poor evidence and come down to "he said, she said". But that also depends. There wasn't much "allegedly" coming out of mouths of Nancy Disgrace, several Duke professors and their Ilk during the Duke Lacrosse False Rape Case. They were all so sure the players must have been guilty because they were white and male.

Obviously nothing remotely like proof but back in the days when we lived in grad housing(not at Duke), the lacrosse team lived at the next apartment complex over and loved to really party. Favorite song? Never knew the title but it involved loud shouting of the words Gang Bang. Repeatedly. So maybe there was a reason that the Duke players seemed suspicious. Just like there was a reason that in my freshman dorm , the upper class women quietly told the freshmen girls to steer clear of frat parties. As in: DO NOT GO. Under any circumstances.

I don’t think that lacrosse players or frat boys have a predisposition to sexually assault drunk girls but I do think that those groups plus lots of alcohol plus a lot of testosterone mixed with a lot of immaturity does make for a dangerous atmosphere for all. Especially women.

If I had a daughter I would advise the same thing--stay far away from any situation involving fraternities plus alcohol. It's a risk there's no reason to take.

But that in no way suggests that the lacrosse players committed rape.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I had assumed Welch was suffering from mental illness. But if he was, wouldn't his guns have been taken?

Not necessarily. There was a case 15 years ago in Portlandia, where Keton Otis, a mentally ill man was pulled over and started shooting at police. Even though one cop was wounded before Otis was shot back by police, the usual suspects are still blaming the police.

If you are going to smear the victim, do it with correct spelling of the name right and no factual omissions. According to your link, Mr Keaton Otis was racially profiled and attacked by the police before he opened fire.

Your article does not establish anything racial about the situation. He was profiled as "gangster", not "black".

And saying he was attacked by the police before he opened fire is technically true but quite misleading. The "attack" was the cop trying to pull him from his car, to which he responded by pulling out a gun and starting shooting.

And if you have a gun in a liquor bag in your car it is very unlikely that you are an upstanding citizen.

 

[Elixir]

There's no clear line between regular human stupidity and profound mental illness.

QFT

Def a factor where officer discretion is involved. Pays to keep that front of mind if dealing with cops. They have compelling reason both personally and professionally to err on the side of blowing your head off.

 

[bilby]

You're confronted by a police gun, you should immediately drop any weapon or weapon-like object.

"Should"? Are the police the arbiters of what rights US Citizens do or do not have?

I was under the impression that the USA had a constitution, that (as amended) reads in part:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.​

Are you suggesting that merely by pointing a firearm at a citizen, a police officer can nullify that citizen's constitutional rights?

What next?

You're confronted by a police gun, you should immediately cease to request legal representation.

You're confronted by a police gun, you should immediately cease to remain silent.

You're confronted by a police gun, you should immediately provide testimony that incriminates yourself.

There's really no end to the power of the police under your interpretation of what "should" happen.

 

[laughing dog]

I had assumed Welch was suffering from mental illness. But if he was, wouldn't his guns have been taken?

Not necessarily. There was a case 15 years ago in Portlandia, where Keton Otis, a mentally ill man was pulled over and started shooting at police. Even though one cop was wounded before Otis was shot back by police, the usual suspects are still blaming the police.

If you are going to smear the victim, do it with correct spelling of the name right and no factual omissions. According to your link, Mr Keaton Otis was racially profiled and attacked by the police before he opened fire.

Your article does not establish anything racial about the situation. He was profiled as "gangster", not "black".

It is not my article, and how does s black man look like a gangster?

And saying he was attacked by the police before he opened fire is technically true but quite misleading. The "attack" was the cop trying to pull him from his car, to which he responded by pulling out a gun and starting shooting.

Are under the impression it is normal for police to pull citizens out of cars for failing to signal a turn?

And if you have a gun in a liquor bag in your car it is very unlikely that you are an upstanding citizen.

Ah, the “bad guy deserved to die” argument,[/quote]