Trump and Hitler - a comparison

[Jimmy Higgins]

Excellent riposte. I do tend to agree that Trump resembles Mussolini more so than Hitler.

My OP was not to simplistically state that Trump and Hitler were a lot a like. My post was to compare and contrast the two. There are indeed vast differences between them. Trump came from a rich background. Hitler came from a poor one. He lost his father when he was young. He lived meagerly until he became the Fuhrer of the party and began to actually make money. Hitler was more of a self made man than Trump. And of course he wasn't impeached. Hitler was a better politician - i.e. in the sense of being able to take power and hold on to it - than Trump who lost an election and failed in his attempt to overthrow the government.

I would also point out one other minor point. MLK was never a convicted felon. He had some misdemeanors for disturbing the peace and refusing to obey an injunction. He was once charged with tax evasion but beat the charge. Trump and Hitler both had felony convictions, but Hitler had one for attempting to overthrow the state. Trump should have had one for the same, but this election stopped it.

Hitler and Trump had different sex lives. Hitler did have sex and at least two mistresses, but at least kept those hidden from the public view, preferring to have an image that he was married to the Fatherland. Trump is a notorious philanderer who makes Clinton look like a choir boy.

Of course Trump's career is not over yet. The real reason for the OP is just that - will he become more like Hitler in his second term or more like Mussolini? How will it play out? I'm bad at predictions but will make some shortly.

There are two paths here. I find one much more likely than the other.

1) Trump goes full blown dictator and our democracy dissolves into a GOP authoritarian nation.

I find this very unlikely. It'd require way too much effort and would require military involvement.

2) Trump goes full Trump and just banters our brains into mush... meanwhile, SCOTUS rules a couple more strategic rulings that pushes America somewhere between 1850 and 1960 regulatory-wise and pre-1960 civil rights wise. Meanwhile the GOP continues to neglect the Social Security and Medicare funding thing, which is the actual source of most of our budget growth, so as to starve more and more of the Federal government, which would be another push to bring the Federal Government pre-1930 in ability to manage our nation's needs. And maybe as a bonus, RFK Jr. could help bring America to the 1950s medically.

All of this done by the book, by the numbers, entirely within the rule of law, by re-writing it. No revolution, no dictatorship. Just bring America back to the good ole days that never existed. So the uber-wealthy can finish buying out America. The troublesome part of this is... we are about 60% down this path already.

 

[robnisch]

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Hitler and Trump - a comparison

The comparison is silly and stupid. Was Hitler a self made billionaire? Did Hitler build a successful family before politics, including children even Hillary Clinton now admires? Did Hitler suffer law fare and assignations attempts before his election? Did Hitler suffer through numerous impeachments and needless investigations put on by the secret service?

The only similarity I see is that both Hitler and Trump were both convicted felons of the state. But then so were Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. So being a felon puts you in some good company when the state is operating in a criminal manner in the first place. And our government is definitely a criminal enterprise.

The similarities are huge.

The Felon is not a self-made billionaire, he would have been better off simply putting his money in the bank than what he actually did before he ran for office. (After, though--I don't think anyone knows how much he siphoned off in campaign contributions and what bribes he took.)

A successful family? I see no successes in his family.

I see no lawfare, I see someone with pretty much a total disregard for the law.

Assassination attempts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Adolf_Hitler

Impeachment--agreed.

Needless investigations? As usual, every accusation is a confession. He's the one doing needless investigations. And what does the secret service have to do with it?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Hitler and Trump - a comparison

The comparison is silly and stupid. Was Hitler a self made billionaire? Did Hitler build a successful family before politics, including children even Hillary Clinton now admires? Did Hitler suffer law fare and assignations attempts before his election? Did Hitler suffer through numerous impeachments and needless investigations put on by the secret service?

The only similarity I see is that both Hitler and Trump were both convicted felons of the state. But then so were Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. So being a felon puts you in some good company when the state is operating in a criminal manner in the first place. And our government is definitely a criminal enterprise.

Sheesh! that’s the stupidest thing I’ve seen all day. Are you really that clueless?

Conservatives are really that clueless.

 

[pood]

Hitler and Trump - a comparison

The comparison is silly and stupid. Was Hitler a self made billionaire?

You really are kidding, right? You think Trump is a self-made billionaire? You’re really not aware that he inherited his fortune from racist scumbag daddy and over his life squandered most of it? That even his casinos went bankrupt? Seriously, you are unaware of such basic, well-known facts?

Did Hitler build a successful family before politics,

His family members are scum, and his wife hates him.

including children even Hillary Clinton now admires? Did Hitler suffer law fare and assignations attempts before his election?

LOL, “law fare.” And Trump has been accused of plenty of “assignation” attempts. Also, HItler actually went to jail before he took power.

Did Hitler suffer through numerous impeachments and needless investigations put on by the secret service?

The secret service never investigated Trump. HItler was never in any position to be “impeached.”

The only similarity I see is that both Hitler and Trump were both convicted felons of the state. But then so were Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. So being a felon puts you in some good company when the state is operating in a criminal manner in the first place.

Evidence?

And our government is definitely a criminal enterprise.

Evidence? It certainly will again be a criminal enterprise under your hero Adolf Trump.

 

[Elixir]

Conservatives are really that clueless.

They really think Trump is a businessman

 

[ZiprHead]

Hitler and Trump - a comparison

The comparison is silly and stupid. Was Hitler a self made billionaire? Did Hitler build a successful family before politics, including children even Hillary Clinton now admires? Did Hitler suffer law fare and assignations attempts before his election? Did Hitler suffer through numerous impeachments and needless investigations put on by the secret service?

The only similarity I see is that both Hitler and Trump were both convicted felons of the state. But then so were Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. So being a felon puts you in some good company when the state is operating in a criminal manner in the first place. And our government is definitely a criminal enterprise.

Sheesh! that’s the stupidest thing I’ve seen all day. Are you really that clueless?

Conservatives are really that clueless.

I wish I was "self made" like that. 400 million from daddy goes a long way to making someone "self made".

 

[Elixir]

Secession = reactionary even if you think you are right.

And that ignores the minor problem of it isn't particularly feasible. What is the plan, the Non-Contiguous Blue States of America?

You are allowed to post whatever reactionary, but non-violence stuff you want here. The others are free to tell you it isn't constructive, viable, or intelligent.

We have to stay and fight. This is not the end of America or its Democratic dream. Our country has faced threats before. It has proven resilient. I post two maps to demonstrate this:

But he didn't try to destroy democracy.

And Trump won’t either if we fight.

In addition, there are Blue pockets in Red states and Red pockets in Blue states. So even if possible, secession solves nothing.

In general, urban areas are blue and rural areas are red.

Which makes separation difficult

There aren’t many ports or transportation hubs in Rural America. But they can probably feed themselves.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Was Hitler a self made billionaire? Did Hitler build a successful family before politics, including children even Hillary Clinton now admires? Did Hitler suffer law fare and assignations attempts before his election? Did Hitler suffer through numerous impeachments and needless investigations put on by the secret service?

No, but he should have been.

 

[Elixir]

Investigations into Trump were very much needed but they were bungled by delays and corrupt judges appointed by apricot.

 

[Elixir]

Our country has faced threats before. It has proven resilient.

It would be a mistake to gloss over the lasting damage done by Reagan. And I credit him with the best of intentions.
This time we have a truly malevolent actor bent on destroying the Nation in obeisance to a foreign enemy's dictator to whom he is beholden.
These two presidencies are not even superficially similar, nor will the outcome be.

 

[SLD]

Our country has faced threats before. It has proven resilient.

It would be a mistake to gloss over the lasting damage done by Reagan. And I credit him with the best of intentions.
This time we have a truly malevolent actor bent on destroying the Nation in obeisance to a foreign enemy's dictator to whom he is beholden.
These two presidencies are not even superficially similar, nor will the outcome be.

I hear you. My experience in Afghanistan did teach me that any nation can fall into the abyss. I was talking to a Peruvian yesterday and he made the same point. It’s not too hard to collapse.

Still I want to be optimistic.

And you are right about Reagan, but he basically implemented policies that had been in place in the late 19th and early 20th century. It took a Great Depression to change course. I think that’s the most likely way forward. If Trump utterly fails and the economy collapses, or at least goes south significantly, he will be so unpopular that maybe, just maybe, a new FDR will emerge. A total repudiation of Reagan and the republicans that creates massive electoral changes. Maybe I’m pipe dreaming. The Democrats do have a way with shooting themselves in the foot over and over again.

 

[SLD]

Can you spot the difference?

 

[pood]

Can you spot the difference?

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It would not surprise me in the least if Drumpf, a Mein Kampf and Hitler fan, was aware of that photo and deliberately imitated it. But our dear nation of dummies and dimwits voted him into office.

 

[pood]

I bet half of Americans can’t even tell you who Adolf Hitler was. A recent survey showed that large numbers of Americans forget past presidents after they have been out of office for two or three decades. Large numbers do not know who Johnson, Nixon, Ford and others were.

 

[ideologyhunter]

cf. the YouTube video "I went to America's dumbest city", which consists of quiz questions asked of pedestrians in Jackson, MS. One guy was asked who is President right now, and he answered, "I don't know, John F. Kennedy?" (The interviewer almost always says, "You're right!", which adds another layer of entertainment.)

 

[bilby]

Can you spot the difference?

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The one on the right is a much earlier photograph, taken when the subject was quite a bit younger.

Seriously though, both men are consciously trying to project an image as strong and vengeful leaders. And neither is being original or creative in any way. Hitler's whole look was adopted from von Stuck's 1889 depiction of Wotan:

 

[SLD]

Can you spot the difference?

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The one on the right is a much earlier photograph, taken when the subject was quite a bit younger.

Seriously though, both men are consciously trying to project an image as strong and vengeful leaders. And neither is being original or creative in any way. Hitler's whole look was adopted from von Stuck's 1889 depiction of Wotan:

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Fascinating. I never knew that. I knew he was obsessed with Wagner, but not to the point that he basically modified himself to look like a painting of Wotan. I first thought this was an abstract painting of him.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Can you spot the difference?

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Better camera.

 

[Tigers!]

Can you spot the difference?

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Is there a prize if one can find the most differences?