Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Politesse]

In countersigning the genocide of the Palestinian people, he joined in the very worst of American presidential traditions, that which has tarnished the reputation and effectiveness of the office since the hour of its formation.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You still don't get it--Gaza is a symptom, not the problem. The problem is the terror money. You keep trying to treat the symptom and pretend that will fix the problem.

How in the heck is there going to be terror money if a deal with the Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and the west funding the rebuilding of Gaza. You think any of them will tolerate their money to rebuild structures that'll be pounded back down by Israel in retaliation for the latest Iranian funded assault on Israel? Having the Arabs help fund, in large part, the reconstruction would be enough of a self-reinforcing block to terror funding in Gaza.

Your problem is, you aren't good at solving real problems and using diplomacy to entrap those into positions they wouldn't have otherwise taken.

Summer child!

Europe has already been funding stuff whose purpose is to be destroyed for PR purposes. They do things like build "schools" on land they don't own and with no local need and basically just a shell.

And Iran would be happy to pound to rubble anything that Saudi Arabia funded.

I'm talking to a wall here.

 

[ZiprHead]

The main problem is that Hamas have made it as hard as possible for Israel to avoid hitting civilians. With that in mind Israel is doing an excellent job. It could have been a lot worse for the Palestinians. A lot worse

Exactly. The propaganda keeps focusing on how many "died" (quotes as there are a lot of problem with the data), completely ignoring how that compares to expectations.

What makes their propaganda differant than your propaganda?

You've been asked this before but all we get are crickets. What are you comparing the expectations to? Where are the numbers you keep claiming is Israel is doing better than?

You shot yourself in the foot before on this by presenting an argument that actually admitted what I was saying. But since that doesn't seem to be enough:

Urban Warfare | Center for Civilians in Conflict

civiliansinconflict.org

Quelle surprise, no numbers.

Strange that he would post that link to that organization since their blogs aren't exactly kind to Israel's tactics in Gaza. They certainly do not come to defense of Israel's tactics.

 

[Arctish]

You still don't get it--Gaza is a symptom, not the problem. The problem is the terror money. You keep trying to treat the symptom and pretend that will fix the problem.

How in the heck is there going to be terror money if a deal with the Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and the west funding the rebuilding of Gaza. You think any of them will tolerate their money to rebuild structures that'll be pounded back down by Israel in retaliation for the latest Iranian funded assault on Israel? Having the Arabs help fund, in large part, the reconstruction would be enough of a self-reinforcing block to terror funding in Gaza.

Your problem is, you aren't good at solving real problems and using diplomacy to entrap those into positions they wouldn't have otherwise taken.

Summer child!

Europe has already been funding stuff whose purpose is to be destroyed for PR purposes. They do things like build "schools" on land they don't own and with no local need and basically just a shell.

And Iran would be happy to pound to rubble anything that Saudi Arabia funded.

I'm talking to a wall here.

Yeah.

The school Loren is talking about (why the scare quotes, Loren?) was donated by the EU and set up in a Palestinian village outside of Israel. Israel stole the buildings and sold them off.

Loren says people donate humanitarian aid to Palestinians so that Israelis will look bad when they steal it. Of course, that argument hinges on the presumption that Israelis will steal donated humanitarian aid, but apparently he doesn't think that's an anti-Semitic slur because he's Bullshitting for Israel

 

[ZiprHead]

Israel has intensified bombing and attacks in Gaza in advance of the coming cease fire. Cause as much destuction as possible before the agreement kicks in.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Israel has intensified bombing and attacks in Gaza in advance of the coming cease fire. Cause as much destuction as possible before the agreement kicks in.

Hanas has turned a large proportion of civilian houses into military installations. So it makes sense

If Hamas cared about the civilian population they would keep military infrastructure away from civilian. But that's not how Hanas rolls

 

[Arctish]

Israel has intensified bombing and attacks in Gaza in advance of the coming cease fire. Cause as much destuction as possible before the agreement kicks in.

Hanas has turned a large proportion of civilian houses into military installations. So it makes sense

If Hamas cared about the civilian population they would keep military infrastructure away from civilian. But that's not how Hanas rolls

You forgot to link to the evidence that supports ^this^ claim.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Israel has intensified bombing and attacks in Gaza in advance of the coming cease fire. Cause as much destuction as possible before the agreement kicks in.

Hanas has turned a large proportion of civilian houses into military installations. So it makes sense

If Hamas cared about the civilian population they would keep military infrastructure away from civilian. But that's not how Hanas rolls

You forgot to link to the evidence that supports ^this^ claim.

How's life in your hermetically sealed media bubble? This information is not hard to find

Gaza: Israel deliberately militarizes civilian objects, turns schools into military bases [EN/AR] - occupied Palestinian territory

News and Press Release in Arabic on occupied Palestinian territory about Protection and Human Rights; published on 1 May 2024 by Euro-Med Monitor

reliefweb.int

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/10/05/hamas-tunnels-weapons-gaza-war-october-7-attacks/

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

How Hamas built a force to attack Israel on 7 October

BBC Arabic and BBC Verify have pieced together how armed groups came together to train for the assault.

www.bbc.com

Here's a fun one about false or misleading information planted in wikipedia as well as putting things into perspective. His click-baity histrionic language is annoying. But he's not wrong.



Anyway... enjoy your victim blaming.

 

[Arctish]

Israel has intensified bombing and attacks in Gaza in advance of the coming cease fire. Cause as much destuction as possible before the agreement kicks in.

Hanas has turned a large proportion of civilian houses into military installations. So it makes sense

If Hamas cared about the civilian population they would keep military infrastructure away from civilian. But that's not how Hanas rolls

You forgot to link to the evidence that supports ^this^ claim.

How's life in your hermetically sealed media bubble? This information is not hard to find

Gaza: Israel deliberately militarizes civilian objects, turns schools into military bases [EN/AR] - occupied Palestinian territory

News and Press Release in Arabic on occupied Palestinian territory about Protection and Human Rights; published on 1 May 2024 by Euro-Med Monitor

reliefweb.int

^This article is about Israelis turning Gazan schools into military installations and detention centers. It claims Israelis tortured and murdered detainees there. From your link:

In a report published on 13 December 2023, Euro-Med revealed that the Israeli army has turned schools sheltering 10s of thousands of displaced people into military centres and field execution sites as part of its genocide against Palestinians. Euro-Med Monitor received testimonies at the time about Israeli army forces carrying out unjustified field executions and killings of Palestinian civilians after detaining them for days inside the same schools where they had sought refuge from Israeli violence.

The testimonies revealed horrific human rights violations and atrocities against civilians killed after their release. The timing of the killings indicates that there was no reason to shoot them, other than to satisfy the bloody desires of Israeli soldiers or express the comprehensive moral permissibility—in the eyes of Israel’s military—when it comes to slaughtering and humiliating Palestinian civilians.

Around 15 dead Palestinians’ decomposed bodies were recently found in Al-Falujah neighbourhood, west of the Jabalia refugee camp. Based upon its initial investigation, Euro-Med Monitor confirms that these individuals were subjected to field executions after being questioned by members of the Israeli army at the Shadia Abu Ghazaleh government school.

Did you actually read it before you posted it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/10/05/hamas-tunnels-weapons-gaza-war-october-7-attacks/

^This article is about Hamas creating a network of tunnels throughout Gaza, not turning "a large proportion of civilian houses into military installations". It provides no reason for the IDF to destroy above-ground housing as it is currently doing.

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

^This article is about the use of human shields from 2008 to 2014. Again, it does not provide any justification for the current destruction of housing in Gaza right now, days before the cease-fire deal is due to take effect.

How Hamas built a force to attack Israel on 7 October

BBC Arabic and BBC Verify have pieced together how armed groups came together to train for the assault.

www.bbc.com

Here's a fun one about false or misleading information planted in wikipedia as well as putting things into perspective. His click-baity histrionic language is annoying. But he's not wrong.

What does this have to do with your claim?

You said Hamas has turned a large proportion of civilian houses into military installations. Where is the evidence of that? How is the term "military installation" being defined?

If the IDF is saying any structure being used as a shelter by a suspected Hamas member is a military installation, then every house, apartment, condominium, and camping trailer being used by an Israeli under the age of 51 is one, too.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Israel has intensified bombing and attacks in Gaza in advance of the coming cease fire. Cause as much destuction as possible before the agreement kicks in.

Hanas has turned a large proportion of civilian houses into military installations. So it makes sense
If Hamas cared about the civilian population they would keep military infrastructure away from civilian. But that's not how Hanas rolls

30 or so hostages who are never going to be the same, who have been traumatized in ways we can't understand, have their release being put in jeopardy so Netanyahu can bomb a couple more houses? Supposing the targets are 100% Hamas, no collateral damage, it isn't worth it at this point, unless there is viable intel indicating an immediate and hostile threat to Israel.

 

[laughing dog]

I find it amusing whenever a poster announces that they are putting someone on ignore because it is almost always the case they've already ignoring the content of the posts.

 

[TomC]

Israel has intensified bombing and attacks in Gaza in advance of the coming cease fire. Cause as much destuction as possible before the agreement kicks in.

Lemme rephrase that more accurately for you.

The region's only multi-cultural democracy is continuing it's defense against the authoritarian terrorists who launched a vicious attack. Because the terrorists refuse to accept a ceasefire agreement with it.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Israel has intensified bombing and attacks in Gaza in advance of the coming cease fire. Cause as much destuction as possible before the agreement kicks in.

Lemme rephrase that more accurately for you.

The region's only multi-cultural democracy is continuing it's defense against the authoritarian terrorists who launched a vicious attack. Because the terrorists refuse to accept a ceasefire agreement with it.
Tom

There was and is a ceasefire agreement.

 

[TomC]

Israel has intensified bombing and attacks in Gaza in advance of the coming cease fire. Cause as much destuction as possible before the agreement kicks in.

Lemme rephrase that more accurately for you.

The region's only multi-cultural democracy is continuing it's defense against the authoritarian terrorists who launched a vicious attack. Because the terrorists refuse to accept a ceasefire agreement with it.
Tom

There was and is a ceasefire agreement.

Which, according to reports, Gazan terrorists decided not to accept at the last minute.

They wanted more ability to import the military stuff they will need to attack Israel again across the Egyptian border.
There was never a credible agreement between the attackers and the victims.

Honestly, I don't see why Israel is caving into pressure to negotiate with terrorists, without demanding that the violent Gazans are brought to justice.
Or pulped.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Israel has intensified bombing and attacks in Gaza in advance of the coming cease fire. Cause as much destuction as possible before the agreement kicks in.

Lemme rephrase that more accurately for you.

The region's only multi-cultural democracy is continuing it's defense against the authoritarian terrorists who launched a vicious attack. Because the terrorists refuse to accept a ceasefire agreement with it.
Tom

There was and is a ceasefire agreement.

Which, according to reports, Gazan terrorists decided not to accept at the last minute.

They wanted more ability to import the military stuff they will need to attack Israel again across the Egyptian border.
There was never a credible agreement between the attackers and the victims.

Honestly, I don't see why Israel is caving into pressure to negotiate with terrorists, without demanding that the violent Gazans are brought to justice.
Or pulped.
Tom

I think you are confusing potential agreements. At the time of Ziprhead's post, there was an agreement for a ceasefire to take effect later. There is an agreement which means the parties are sufficiently okay with terms regardless of the retrograde views of outsiders.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

In countersigning the genocide of the Palestinian people, he joined in the very worst of American presidential traditions, that which has tarnished the reputation and effectiveness of the office since the hour of its formation.

I genuinely don't get how someone who seems so intelligent can so completely swallow this "palestinian genocide" propaganda.

1) There is a huge amount of propaganda about it, including very biased reporting by the trusted news sources.

2) It's pretty obvious that there is widespread antisemitism at work.

3) There's a big emphasis on doing something. We see it again and again, something bad happens, there are a million voices bleating to just do something. And they'll bleat for whoever pretends to have a solution. The voice that says "that won't help" gets vilified.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

In countersigning the genocide of the Palestinian people, he joined in the very worst of American presidential traditions, that which has tarnished the reputation and effectiveness of the office since the hour of its formation.

I genuinely don't get how someone who seems so intelligent can so completely swallow this "palestinian genocide" propaganda.

Strictly, propaganda is a neutral term, deriving from “propagate,” as in “propagate information.”

Probably the propagated information is being “swallowed” because it happens to be true.

A fake genocide meets a real one

The obsession with Jews and Israel diverts column inches and airtime away from humanitarian crises that are far more dire than Gaza and far more intractable.

www.jns.org

If you care about genocide why the silence about Sudan?

 

[pood]

In countersigning the genocide of the Palestinian people, he joined in the very worst of American presidential traditions, that which has tarnished the reputation and effectiveness of the office since the hour of its formation.

I genuinely don't get how someone who seems so intelligent can so completely swallow this "palestinian genocide" propaganda.

Strictly, propaganda is a neutral term, deriving from “propagate,” as in “propagate information.”

Probably the propagated information is being “swallowed” because it happens to be true.

A fake genocide meets a real one

The obsession with Jews and Israel diverts column inches and airtime away from humanitarian crises that are far more dire than Gaza and far more intractable.

www.jns.org

If you care about genocide why the silence about Sudan?

What do you want me to say about Sudan? What is happening in Sudan somehow makes what is happening in Gaza OK?

The headline gives away the game: “fake genocide.” It’s not a fake genocide. And invoking “the obsession with Jews” in the subhead and in the very first graph talking about pogroms and “Nazi thuggery” is contemptible. While some people who oppose Israel and specifically oppose its policy in Gaza may be anti-Semitic, the vast majority are not, and as I am sure you are aware, many Jews oppose what Israel is doing in Gaza.

No one should be deterred by having the bogus “anti-Semite” card pulled from calling out Israel on its crimes against humanity. This is exactly the same thing people did when opponents of the Vietnam War were labeled “Communists” and when opponents of Nazi Germany were labeled traitors to the “master race.” It is always when the truth is indefensible that such cowardly slurs come to the fore.

 

[pood]

And — isn’t it interesting! — from what I have admittedly skim-read so far, the cease-fire deal not only leaves Hamas in place but will mean the realease of thousands of Palestinian prisoners! So where are now those of you who said that the indiscriminate slaughter and mass relocation of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians was a regrettable necessity to “win” the war and remove Hamas from power? In contrast to those of us who from day one told you Israel would never succeed in this goal of destroying Hamas, and in fact, as we shall see, Israel just bred the next ten generations of terrorists?

 

[Derec]

You are right in one thing pood.

This is a rotten deal, and Israel should never have been pressured to accept it. WWII did not end with Nazis left in power and thousand war criminals released.