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It's not about bringing peace to their souls. It's about avoiding having more of them in the future.
If that were your concern, you'd be more worried than you are about the utter failure of your favored strategy. There's no indication whatsoever that this bloodbath is easing tension in Palestine. There will be thousands more dead children, "Muslim" and "Jew" alike.
 
If you've got 9,999 people with an income of 0 and 1 person with an income of 10,000, the mean is 1 but the median is 5,000.
I do not think that word means what you think it means. (Or medians what you think it medians...)

Wikipedia: The median of a finite list of numbers is the "middle" number, when those numbers are listed in order from smallest to greatest
 
Why does mom have two kids before she was able to take care of herself reasonably?
Oh ffs, can you shove your woman-blaming for a while?

Mom used to be a stay at home parent while dad worked, then dad died. Sheesh, that was pretty fucking obvious from the post, but nope, you jumped straight to some veiled "silly whore should have kept her legs shut" jibe.
Had kids without having life insurance.
Most people in the world have children and don’t have life insurance, so I fail to see what your point is.
 
But can't the Justice Department do that? And if the head of that department is a lackey of the President, then what?
No, the Justice Department cannot increase the sentence for somebody already convicted and sentenced.
Agreed. But that didn’t seem to be the specific issue being discussed. Looking back I see that perhaps what was being addressed were issues of the judiciary. I was thinking more about who gets investigated and tried. That can be in the purview of the justice department. So I may have misread the comment.
 
Most people in the world have children and don’t have life insurance, so I fail to see what your point is.
We are talking in the US, not "in the world". In the US, life insurance is cheap for youngish, healthy people and can ensure your dependents are provided for.
Exactly.

What we are seeing here is a big gap in what we consider responsible behavior.

The left seems to feel that any misfortune should be borne by society. The right seems to feel any misfortune should be borne by the individuals. Neither is right, the real question should be to what degree we expect people to prepare for misfortune.

As I see it, insurance to provide for dependents you choose to take on is part of the cost of choosing them. Reproduction is an economic decision!
 
Most people in the world have children and don’t have life insurance, so I fail to see what your point is.
We are talking in the US, not "in the world". In the US, life insurance is cheap for youngish, healthy people and can ensure your dependents are provided for.
Exactly.

What we are seeing here is a big gap in what we consider responsible behavior.

The left seems to feel that any misfortune should be borne by society. The right seems to feel any misfortune should be borne by the individuals. Neither is right, the real question should be to what degree we expect people to prepare for misfortune.

As I see it, insurance to provide for dependents you choose to take on is part of the cost of choosing them. Reproduction is an economic decision!
The idea that reproduction is an economic decision is clearly rebutted by the real world. Expecting people to behave in a particular manner when they clearly don't is rather silly.

I also find it interesting that childless people give advice about the responsible reproduction. However, it is comforting to know that they are childless.
 
But can't the Justice Department do that? And if the head of that department is a lackey of the President, then what?
Judges pass sentences, not the Justice Department as a whole. And I know I'm no expert, but Supreme Court doesn't even try cases that involve sentencing anyone, do they? Don't they pretty much make determinations of constitutionality more or less?

Sentencing guidelines are set at the state - or even local - level for a whole lot of things.
 
Why does mom have two kids before she was able to take care of herself reasonably?
Oh ffs, can you shove your woman-blaming for a while?

Mom used to be a stay at home parent while dad worked, then dad died. Sheesh, that was pretty fucking obvious from the post, but nope, you jumped straight to some veiled "silly whore should have kept her legs shut" jibe.
Had kids without having life insurance.
You know, most people don't have sufficient life insurance to provide the same standard of living to their survivors for the remainder of their lives. Most people only have term life through their employer, and most only care whatever multiple of their income their employer offers for free.

According to your backtrack-and-replace logic... nobody except the independently wealthy should be allowed to procreate. Should solve the climate problem pretty fast once implemented.
 
Why does mom have two kids before she was able to take care of herself reasonably?
Oh ffs, can you shove your woman-blaming for a while?

Mom used to be a stay at home parent while dad worked, then dad died. Sheesh, that was pretty fucking obvious from the post, but nope, you jumped straight to some veiled "silly whore should have kept her legs shut" jibe.
Had kids without having life insurance.
Most people in the world have children and don’t have life insurance, so I fail to see what your point is.
The point clearly is that that stupid woman didn't have the sense to take out a ginormous life insurance policy on her husband before she spread her legs... Because apparently it's her responsibility alone to ensure the financial security of herself and her family and dad has no role in that.

Alternatively, Loren feels like an asshat for being so transparent about his assumptions, and fell back on the first thing that came to mind that didn't seem sexist on the surface. But even then he didn't really think it all the way through, so we're kind of back to square one.
 
The left seems to feel that any misfortune should be borne by society. The right seems to feel any misfortune should be borne by the individuals. Neither is right, the real question should be to what degree we expect people to prepare for misfortune.
I had a very similar thought the other day, although it was based around risk rather than misfortune. Both the left and the right feel compassion toward misfortune, and both want to reduce risk. But they have very different and fairly antithetical approaches to that problem. The left wants to shift risk from the population experiencing the risk onto those who are not experiencing the risk. The right wants individuals to have a say in how much risk they're willing to take on, and thinks individuals should be able to decline to take on someone else's excess risk to some degree.

Oversimplified, of course... but:

Left: Bob is at risk of losing his house, because he can't pay the mortgage. Everyone is required to pitch in $200 to help Bob out. If you don't pay in the $200, we're going to ostracize you and call you names, because you're a horrible person with no empathy and you just hate Bob you poopy-head.

Right: John is just barely making his own mortgage payment, and Roger is trying to put some money away to help with upcoming medical bills - it's not right of you to force them to pay another $200 for Bob's benefit. Bob probably lost all his money gambling and doing blow off of hooker's asses anyway, immoral bastard that he is.

Reality is pretty much that both Left and Right would prefer if Bob weren't at risk of losing his home, but disagree on how to keep that from happening, and how much of the risk is Bob's versus Everyone's.
 
Why does mom have two kids before she was able to take care of herself reasonably?
Oh ffs, can you shove your woman-blaming for a while?

Mom used to be a stay at home parent while dad worked, then dad died. Sheesh, that was pretty fucking obvious from the post, but nope, you jumped straight to some veiled "silly whore should have kept her legs shut" jibe.
Had kids without having life insurance.
Most people in the world have children and don’t have life insurance, so I fail to see what your point is.
The point clearly is that that stupid woman didn't have the sense to take out a ginormous life insurance policy on her husband before she spread her legs... Because apparently it's her responsibility alone to ensure the financial security of herself and her family and dad has no role in that.

Alternatively, Loren feels like an asshat for being so transparent about his assumptions, and fell back on the first thing that came to mind that didn't seem sexist on the surface. But even then he didn't really think it all the way through, so we're kind of back to square one.
And that position ignores the sad reality that the children suffer and they had no say in the matter whatsoever I am at a loss that there people who can just pontificate that they shouldn't be forced to help keep those children alive.
 
Most people in the world have children and don’t have life insurance, so I fail to see what your point is.
We are talking in the US, not "in the world". In the US, life insurance is cheap for youngish, healthy people and can ensure your dependents are provided for.
Exactly.

What we are seeing here is a big gap in what we consider responsible behavior.

The left seems to feel that any misfortune should be borne by society. The right seems to feel any misfortune should be borne by the individuals. Neither is right, the real question should be to what degree we expect people to prepare for misfortune.

As I see it, insurance to provide for dependents you choose to take on is part of the cost of choosing them. Reproduction is an economic decision!
The idea that reproduction is an economic decision is clearly rebutted by the real world. Expecting people to behave in a particular manner when they clearly don't is rather silly.

I also find it interesting that childless people give advice about the responsible reproduction. However, it is comforting to know that they are childless.
But don't expect society to bail you out when you dig yourself into a hole.
 
And this means Hamas' adventure "proved successful." ??? :confused2: :confused2: Once again, one wonders if some outlandish Infidels are auditioning for The Onion.

Like a stopped clock which is right twice a day, Derec may be right about one thing. The bitterness and hatred against the Israeli war criminals which these massacres have provoked may provoke NEW jihadists plotting revenge in numbers greater than the jihadists Israel has killed.
The problem here is that you do not realize that Hamas does not care about the welfare of the people.

:confused2: :confused2: :confused2: :confused2: :confused2:
Hunh???? Who said it did?
Evil, evil, evil, evil, evil. Has anybody at IIDB denied that Hamas is EVIL??

But -- hold on to your britches! -- Two wrongs don't make a right!!
This has no bearing on what I was saying. You recognize that Hamas is evil, but somehow seem to think that that somehow negates the reality that this is a Hamas victory.
Israel has declared Jerusalem to be its capital city in defiance of United Nations' directive. This capital is recognized ONLY by the U.S.A., Kosovo, and 2 or 3 other "shit-hole" countries that like to suck up to the U.S.A. How do you feel about that Loren?
Totally irrelevant.
Do you think that maybe -- MAYBE -- Israel's unwillingness to understand that Palestinians have aspirations might -- just MIGHT -- annoy the Palestinian people? I am asking YOU, Loren. Just answer Yes or No please, if you're even capable of that.
Once again, totally irrelevant. Whatever aspirations they might have don't enter into the picture. In practice they do what Hamas wants them to do.

There are 700,000 Israeli settlers living illegally in Palestinian territory. We've heard your defense of that. (It boils down to six words: Might.Makes.Right.Ha.Ha.Ha!) But even so, can you understand that this behavior annoys Palestinians?? Hunh? Yes or No?
Yeah, I don't like it. But note the reality: The settlers are entirely in the West Bank, not Gaza. The war is in Gaza, not the West Bank.

And these settlers, these thieves of Palestinian land and homes, are NOT religious fanatics who think God gave them that land. They are "economic migrants", happy that stolen land is cheap. IIUC Netanyahu's government even gives them subsidies to settle on the stolen land.

Please write on the blackboard 50 times:
Two wrongs don't make a right!! Two wrongs don't make a right!! Two wrongs don't make a right!!
But somehow a bunch of irrelevant things support your point??
 
Why does mom have two kids before she was able to take care of herself reasonably?
Oh ffs, can you shove your woman-blaming for a while?

Mom used to be a stay at home parent while dad worked, then dad died. Sheesh, that was pretty fucking obvious from the post, but nope, you jumped straight to some veiled "silly whore should have kept her legs shut" jibe.
Had kids without having life insurance.
You know, most people don't have sufficient life insurance to provide the same standard of living to their survivors for the remainder of their lives. Most people only have term life through their employer, and most only care whatever multiple of their income their employer offers for free.

According to your backtrack-and-replace logic... nobody except the independently wealthy should be allowed to procreate. Should solve the climate problem pretty fast once implemented.
I wouldn't expect it as a lifetime thing. You only need life insurance when you have dependents.
 
The left seems to feel that any misfortune should be borne by society. The right seems to feel any misfortune should be borne by the individuals. Neither is right, the real question should be to what degree we expect people to prepare for misfortune.
I had a very similar thought the other day, although it was based around risk rather than misfortune. Both the left and the right feel compassion toward misfortune, and both want to reduce risk. But they have very different and fairly antithetical approaches to that problem. The left wants to shift risk from the population experiencing the risk onto those who are not experiencing the risk. The right wants individuals to have a say in how much risk they're willing to take on, and thinks individuals should be able to decline to take on someone else's excess risk to some degree.

Oversimplified, of course... but:

Left: Bob is at risk of losing his house, because he can't pay the mortgage. Everyone is required to pitch in $200 to help Bob out. If you don't pay in the $200, we're going to ostracize you and call you names, because you're a horrible person with no empathy and you just hate Bob you poopy-head.

Right: John is just barely making his own mortgage payment, and Roger is trying to put some money away to help with upcoming medical bills - it's not right of you to force them to pay another $200 for Bob's benefit. Bob probably lost all his money gambling and doing blow off of hooker's asses anyway, immoral bastard that he is.

Reality is pretty much that both Left and Right would prefer if Bob weren't at risk of losing his home, but disagree on how to keep that from happening, and how much of the risk is Bob's versus Everyone's.
There's no cost unless that risk actually becomes misfortune. Thus I think we are actually saying the same thing.

And I have a hell of a lot more sympathy for the person who was careful and bad things happened anyway vs someone who didn't take care.
 
Why does mom have two kids before she was able to take care of herself reasonably?
Oh ffs, can you shove your woman-blaming for a while?

Mom used to be a stay at home parent while dad worked, then dad died. Sheesh, that was pretty fucking obvious from the post, but nope, you jumped straight to some veiled "silly whore should have kept her legs shut" jibe.
Had kids without having life insurance.
Most people in the world have children and don’t have life insurance, so I fail to see what your point is.
The point clearly is that that stupid woman didn't have the sense to take out a ginormous life insurance policy on her husband before she spread her legs... Because apparently it's her responsibility alone to ensure the financial security of herself and her family and dad has no role in that.

Alternatively, Loren feels like an asshat for being so transparent about his assumptions, and fell back on the first thing that came to mind that didn't seem sexist on the surface. But even then he didn't really think it all the way through, so we're kind of back to square one.
Where do you get that notion?

Both should have life insurance before they have a baby.

It's "her" because the stated scenario was that she was a widow. I didn't make the scenario.
 
In your examples, you calculate the MEAN correctly, but you are way off on the MEDIAN. In both examples, the median (also known as 50th percentile) would be Zero.
OMG, I'm horrifically embarrassed. You are correct.

No problem. Indeed acknowledgements that one has blundered are to be applauded: They are rarer than four-leaf clovers here at the message-board! 8-)
 
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