Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[laughing dog]

Netanyahu says Gaza ceasefire will end if Hamas does not return hostages by Saturday - live updates

The Israeli prime minister says the military will "return to intense fighting until Hamas is finally defeated" if the hostages are not freed.

www.bbc.com

Here's Trump saying something intelligent for once. Releasing all hostages should be a prerequisite to enter into any peace talks IMHO

And again, we manage to use the perfect to ruin the pragmatic. Nothing short of all of the hostages should be the deal. But it was never going to be the deal. It is sickening that Hamas is water dripping hostages at 3 a week. But that is 3 a week that have been freed from hell. How much longer should those have waited, so that everyone could be released, perhaps never?

Personally, I think that Israel should give the Gazans Who Matter (AKA Hamas and their supporters) two days to deliver all the kidnap victims. If GWM choose not to do that, shut off the water and power again until the hostages are freed. If two days later the hostages are not all freed, shut the borders to any incoming aid.

So, you are willing to let the hostages to die, as long as many noncombatants to die as well. I do admire your honesty.

Or will the international community make the perfect the enemy of the good by screaming "collective punishment" while hand waving the source of the problem?
Tom

It would be collective punishment. You just happen to think it is appropriate.

 

[TomC]

So, you are willing to let the hostages to die, as long as many noncombatants to die as well. I do admire your honesty.

What a damnable strawman!
You are arguing that both hostages and the Gazans who don't matter should keep on dying because Hamas just isn't willing to stop committing war crimes.
Where's the UN? Where's the international community? Why are idiots in the media trying to redefine apartheid and genocide and war crimes so as to blame Israel for the choices and policies of Muslim terrorists?

It would be collective punishment. You just happen to think it is appropriate.

I don't think it's appropriate. I am pointing out that if anyone else dies it is because the GWM chose it. Not Israel!
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

So, you are willing to let the hostages to die, as long as many noncombatants to die as well. I do admire your honesty.

What a damnable strawman!
You are arguing that both hostages and the Gazans who don't matter should keep on dying because Hamas just isn't willing to stop committing war crimes.

No, that is what you are proposing with your policy. Hamas has demonstrated it does not care what happens to Gazan noncombatants. Why would any rational human being think that if Israel prevented food and water from entering Gaza that the remaining hostages would remain alive?

Either you did not actually bother to think about the possible consequences of your proposal or you don't bother to read what you write.

Where's the UN? Where's the international community? Why are idiots in the media trying to redefine apartheid and genocide and war crimes so as to blame Israel for the choices and policies of Muslim terrorists?

For some obscure reason, you feel that the gov't of Israel has no agency its reactions.

It would be collective punishment. You just happen to think it is appropriate.

I don't think it's appropriate. I am pointing out that if anyone else dies it is because the GWM chose it. Not Israel!

No one is forcing Israel to act in any specific manner - the gov't of Israel is responsible for its reactions.

 

[TomC]

Here's a fun thought.

Suppose Trump's plan makes the international community recognize that there are much worse options than Israel's plans. Trump might really attempt Gazan genocide.

With the unquestioning support of the US government. And his new and improved DOD.
Tom

 

[Arctish]

The term "Semitic people" is an outdated term that refers to people who speak Semitic languages, such as Arabic, Hebrew, and Amharic. The term is based on the biblical figure Shem, the son of Noah.

Explanation

• The term "Semitic people" is no longer used outside of linguistics.
  
  
• The term "Semite" was used in the 19th century to group people who spoke Semitic languages.
  
  
• The term "Semite" is considered obsolete and offensive because it was used to justify racism and antisemitism.
  
  
• The term "Semite" was used by European "race scientists" to distinguish Jews from Aryans.
  
  
• • The term "antisemitism" was coined by Moritz Steinschneider in response to the use of the term "Semite".
  • Semitic languages include Hebrew, Arabic, Phoenician, Aramic, and Maltese.
  • Semitic languages are spoken in parts of western Asia and Africa.
  • Semitic languages are important in religious culture, such as Biblical Hebrew in Judaism and Geʿez in Ethiopian Christianity.

So when you diss on the Gazans, you too are being antisemitic.

I propose we add a new term to our discussions: Anti-Psemitism, defined as prejudice against and/or hatred of Palestinians.

Signs of anti-Psemitism include calling for or justifying collective punishments such as starvation, wanton slaughter, imprisonment without charge, and ethnic cleansing against them, the belief that they all share a fungible evil nature so that the offenses committed by some are seen as having been committed by all, that they deserve brutal treatment at the hands of members of other religious/ethnic groups due to this allegedly shared evil nature, and must be kept separate, confined, and oppressed, for the 'Greater Good'.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Netanyahu says Gaza ceasefire will end if Hamas does not return hostages by Saturday - live updates

The Israeli prime minister says the military will "return to intense fighting until Hamas is finally defeated" if the hostages are not freed.

www.bbc.com

Here's Trump saying something intelligent for once. Releasing all hostages should be a prerequisite to enter into any peace talks IMHO

And again, we manage to use the perfect to ruin the pragmatic. Nothing short of all of the hostages should be the deal. But it was never going to be the deal. It is sickening that Hamas is water dripping hostages at 3 a week. But that is 3 a week that have been freed from hell. How much longer should those have waited, so that everyone could be released, perhaps never?

Personally, I think that Israel should give the Gazans Who Matter (AKA Hamas and their supporters) two days to deliver all the kidnap victims. If GWM choose not to do that, shut off the water and power again until the hostages are freed. If two days later the hostages are not all freed, shut the borders to any incoming aid. Or will the international community make the perfect the enemy of the good by screaming "collective punishment" while hand waving the source of the problem?

It is a gawd damn war crime. You can't compare people labeling it as such as to clutching pearls. This shouldn't be treated as a war to hell, where the side who thinks they have the highest moral high ground can do a bit of digging.

It wouldn't be right and most importantly it wouldn't lead to anyone being released. So what in the heck do you plan to gain from it? You think if you kick the Gazans a few more times they'll have an epiphany and rise up against Hamas... to get gunned down. This is more of the George W Bush era "whatever it takes", which was actually "whatever we think we'll need to do to get an absurd sense of old school god righteousness because they wronged us."

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So, you are willing to let the hostages to die, as long as many noncombatants to die as well. I do admire your honesty.

What a damnable strawman!
You are arguing that both hostages and the Gazans who don't matter should keep on dying because Hamas just isn't willing to stop committing war crimes.
Where's the UN?

Israel leveled Gaza to the ground... and the hostages weren't released. The IDF killed presumably thousands to tens of thousands of Hamas fighters... the hostages weren't released. Mossad iced a senior Hamas leader in Iran... and the hostages weren't released.

What do you think the UN has in their pocket that'll magically lead Hamas to releasing the hostages? Are we just three bombs, three bullets shy of the magic number?

All the military violence Netanyahu fired back at Hamas had no impact on the release of the hostages. It is damnable, but Hamas have the upper hand. Not because of the UN or the media, but because Hamas committed a massacre and took hostages as a spoil.

It would be collective punishment. You just happen to think it is appropriate.

I don't think it's appropriate. I am pointing out that if anyone else dies it is because the GWM chose it. Not Israel!

That is nothing but school yard logic. We were supposed to have evolved from that after WWII and the hell it caused.

 

[Derec]

Gazans celebrating October 7th Massacre:

 

[laughing dog]

Gazans celebrating October 7th Massacre:

Thank you for pointing that there are hateful assholes in Gaza. I am sure no one was aware of that possibility.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes, thank you Derec. We get you want to reopen the gas chambers. You are German.

 

[Arctish]

Derec didn't even read the caption on the video he posted. That wasn't Gazans celebrating the October 7, 2023 Hamas attack. The video was of people watching the October 1, 2024 missile attack on Israel launched by Iran.

My guess is that some Palestinians were celebrating because Israelis were getting a taste of what they'd been dishing out. It's not nice and not helpful, but also not surprising. Some folks do tend to gloat when others are on the receiving end of violence.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Netanyahu says Gaza ceasefire will end if Hamas does not return hostages by Saturday - live updates

The Israeli prime minister says the military will "return to intense fighting until Hamas is finally defeated" if the hostages are not freed.

www.bbc.com

Here's Trump saying something intelligent for once. Releasing all hostages should be a prerequisite to enter into any peace talks IMHO

And again, we manage to use the perfect to ruin the pragmatic. Nothing short of all of the hostages should be the deal. But it was never going to be the deal. It is sickening that Hamas is water dripping hostages at 3 a week. But that is 3 a week that have been freed from hell. How much longer should those have waited, so that everyone could be released, perhaps never?

Personally, I think that Israel should give the Gazans Who Matter (AKA Hamas and their supporters) two days to deliver all the kidnap victims. If GWM choose not to do that, shut off the water and power again until the hostages are freed. If two days later the hostages are not all freed, shut the borders to any incoming aid. Or will the international community make the perfect the enemy of the good by screaming "collective punishment" while hand waving the source of the problem?

It is a gawd damn war crime. You can't compare people labeling it as such as to clutching pearls. This shouldn't be treated as a war to hell, where the side who thinks they have the highest moral high ground can do a bit of digging.

It wouldn't be right and most importantly it wouldn't lead to anyone being released. So what in the heck do you plan to gain from it? You think if you kick the Gazans a few more times they'll have an epiphany and rise up against Hamas... to get gunned down. This is more of the George W Bush era "whatever it takes", which was actually "whatever we think we'll need to do to get an absurd sense of old school god righteousness because they wronged us."

Yes, Hamas kidnapping civilians is a war crime. Nice that you agree.

What's worse is that the international community is just letting Hamas get away with it. No other country has offered support or troops to Israel to help them

 

[laughing dog]

Netanyahu says Gaza ceasefire will end if Hamas does not return hostages by Saturday - live updates

The Israeli prime minister says the military will "return to intense fighting until Hamas is finally defeated" if the hostages are not freed.

www.bbc.com

Here's Trump saying something intelligent for once. Releasing all hostages should be a prerequisite to enter into any peace talks IMHO

And again, we manage to use the perfect to ruin the pragmatic. Nothing short of all of the hostages should be the deal. But it was never going to be the deal. It is sickening that Hamas is water dripping hostages at 3 a week. But that is 3 a week that have been freed from hell. How much longer should those have waited, so that everyone could be released, perhaps never?

Personally, I think that Israel should give the Gazans Who Matter (AKA Hamas and their supporters) two days to deliver all the kidnap victims. If GWM choose not to do that, shut off the water and power again until the hostages are freed. If two days later the hostages are not all freed, shut the borders to any incoming aid. Or will the international community make the perfect the enemy of the good by screaming "collective punishment" while hand waving the source of the problem?

It is a gawd damn war crime. You can't compare people labeling it as such as to clutching pearls. This shouldn't be treated as a war to hell, where the side who thinks they have the highest moral high ground can do a bit of digging.

It wouldn't be right and most importantly it wouldn't lead to anyone being released. So what in the heck do you plan to gain from it? You think if you kick the Gazans a few more times they'll have an epiphany and rise up against Hamas... to get gunned down. This is more of the George W Bush era "whatever it takes", which was actually "whatever we think we'll need to do to get an absurd sense of old school god righteousness because they wronged us."

Yes, Hamas kidnapping civilians is a war crime. Nice that you agree.

What's worse is that the international community is just letting Hamas get away with it. No other country has offered support or troops to Israel to help them

Where is Israel getting those 2000 lb bombs? When Iran sent that barrage of missiles at Israel, did Israel deal with that alone?

 

[DrZoidberg]

Netanyahu says Gaza ceasefire will end if Hamas does not return hostages by Saturday - live updates

The Israeli prime minister says the military will "return to intense fighting until Hamas is finally defeated" if the hostages are not freed.

www.bbc.com

Here's Trump saying something intelligent for once. Releasing all hostages should be a prerequisite to enter into any peace talks IMHO

And again, we manage to use the perfect to ruin the pragmatic. Nothing short of all of the hostages should be the deal. But it was never going to be the deal. It is sickening that Hamas is water dripping hostages at 3 a week. But that is 3 a week that have been freed from hell. How much longer should those have waited, so that everyone could be released, perhaps never?

Personally, I think that Israel should give the Gazans Who Matter (AKA Hamas and their supporters) two days to deliver all the kidnap victims. If GWM choose not to do that, shut off the water and power again until the hostages are freed. If two days later the hostages are not all freed, shut the borders to any incoming aid. Or will the international community make the perfect the enemy of the good by screaming "collective punishment" while hand waving the source of the problem?

It is a gawd damn war crime. You can't compare people labeling it as such as to clutching pearls. This shouldn't be treated as a war to hell, where the side who thinks they have the highest moral high ground can do a bit of digging.

It wouldn't be right and most importantly it wouldn't lead to anyone being released. So what in the heck do you plan to gain from it? You think if you kick the Gazans a few more times they'll have an epiphany and rise up against Hamas... to get gunned down. This is more of the George W Bush era "whatever it takes", which was actually "whatever we think we'll need to do to get an absurd sense of old school god righteousness because they wronged us."

Yes, Hamas kidnapping civilians is a war crime. Nice that you agree.

What's worse is that the international community is just letting Hamas get away with it. No other country has offered support or troops to Israel to help them

Where is Israel getting those 2000 lb bombs? When Iran sent that barrage of missiles at Israel, did Israel deal with that alone?

Its only USA helping Israel. While that's great. Since USA is powerful. It's pretty much Israels only friend. That's hardly support from the international community.

I think its pretty weak and pathetic by the rest of the world not to stand up for what os right. Not to mention all the morally bankrupt nations who are on the side of the Palestinians. That's a community of nations against Israel

 

[Tigers!]

Netanyahu says Gaza ceasefire will end if Hamas does not return hostages by Saturday - live updates

The Israeli prime minister says the military will "return to intense fighting until Hamas is finally defeated" if the hostages are not freed.

www.bbc.com

Here's Trump saying something intelligent for once. Releasing all hostages should be a prerequisite to enter into any peace talks IMHO

And again, we manage to use the perfect to ruin the pragmatic. Nothing short of all of the hostages should be the deal. But it was never going to be the deal. It is sickening that Hamas is water dripping hostages at 3 a week. But that is 3 a week that have been freed from hell. How much longer should those have waited, so that everyone could be released, perhaps never?

Personally, I think that Israel should give the Gazans Who Matter (AKA Hamas and their supporters) two days to deliver all the kidnap victims. If GWM choose not to do that, shut off the water and power again until the hostages are freed. If two days later the hostages are not all freed, shut the borders to any incoming aid. Or will the international community make the perfect the enemy of the good by screaming "collective punishment" while hand waving the source of the problem?

It is a gawd damn war crime. You can't compare people labeling it as such as to clutching pearls. This shouldn't be treated as a war to hell, where the side who thinks they have the highest moral high ground can do a bit of digging.

It wouldn't be right and most importantly it wouldn't lead to anyone being released. So what in the heck do you plan to gain from it? You think if you kick the Gazans a few more times they'll have an epiphany and rise up against Hamas... to get gunned down. This is more of the George W Bush era "whatever it takes", which was actually "whatever we think we'll need to do to get an absurd sense of old school god righteousness because they wronged us."

Yes, Hamas kidnapping civilians is a war crime. Nice that you agree.

What's worse is that the international community is just letting Hamas get away with it. No other country has offered support or troops to Israel to help them

Where is Israel getting those 2000 lb bombs? When Iran sent that barrage of missiles at Israel, did Israel deal with that alone?

Where does Hamas get its guns, bullets and rockets? From 3rd parties, just like Israel.

Hamas gets its hostages from a 3rd party too - Israel.

 

[Tigers!]

So, you are willing to let the hostages to die, as long as many noncombatants to die as well. I do admire your honesty.

What a damnable strawman!
You are arguing that both hostages and the Gazans who don't matter should keep on dying because Hamas just isn't willing to stop committing war crimes.

No, that is what you are proposing with your policy. Hamas has demonstrated it does not care what happens to Gazan noncombatants. Why would any rational human being think that if Israel prevented food and water from entering Gaza that the remaining hostages would remain alive?

So again I will ask the question. What is your solution to prevent Hamas from rocketing Israel and taking hostages in the future?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Netanyahu says Gaza ceasefire will end if Hamas does not return hostages by Saturday - live updates

The Israeli prime minister says the military will "return to intense fighting until Hamas is finally defeated" if the hostages are not freed.

www.bbc.com

Here's Trump saying something intelligent for once. Releasing all hostages should be a prerequisite to enter into any peace talks IMHO

And again, we manage to use the perfect to ruin the pragmatic. Nothing short of all of the hostages should be the deal. But it was never going to be the deal. It is sickening that Hamas is water dripping hostages at 3 a week. But that is 3 a week that have been freed from hell. How much longer should those have waited, so that everyone could be released, perhaps never?

Personally, I think that Israel should give the Gazans Who Matter (AKA Hamas and their supporters) two days to deliver all the kidnap victims. If GWM choose not to do that, shut off the water and power again until the hostages are freed. If two days later the hostages are not all freed, shut the borders to any incoming aid. Or will the international community make the perfect the enemy of the good by screaming "collective punishment" while hand waving the source of the problem?

It is a gawd damn war crime. You can't compare people labeling it as such as to clutching pearls. This shouldn't be treated as a war to hell, where the side who thinks they have the highest moral high ground can do a bit of digging.

It wouldn't be right and most importantly it wouldn't lead to anyone being released. So what in the heck do you plan to gain from it? You think if you kick the Gazans a few more times they'll have an epiphany and rise up against Hamas... to get gunned down. This is more of the George W Bush era "whatever it takes", which was actually "whatever we think we'll need to do to get an absurd sense of old school god righteousness because they wronged us."

Yes, Hamas kidnapping civilians is a war crime. Nice that you agree.

Seriously?

What's worse is that the international community is just letting Hamas get away with it. No other country has offered support or troops to Israel to help them

The international community gave Israel a blank check and looked the other way for months. Netanyahu took too long and achieved questionable objectives.

The Hezbollah beeper attack was generally ignored.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So, you are willing to let the hostages to die, as long as many noncombatants to die as well. I do admire your honesty.

What a damnable strawman!
You are arguing that both hostages and the Gazans who don't matter should keep on dying because Hamas just isn't willing to stop committing war crimes.

No, that is what you are proposing with your policy. Hamas has demonstrated it does not care what happens to Gazan noncombatants. Why would any rational human being think that if Israel prevented food and water from entering Gaza that the remaining hostages would remain alive?

So again I will ask the question. What is your solution to prevent Hamas from rocketing Israel and taking hostages in the future?

Money, stop the flow of money from Iran to Hamas.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Netanyahu says Gaza ceasefire will end if Hamas does not return hostages by Saturday - live updates

The Israeli prime minister says the military will "return to intense fighting until Hamas is finally defeated" if the hostages are not freed.

www.bbc.com

Here's Trump saying something intelligent for once. Releasing all hostages should be a prerequisite to enter into any peace talks IMHO

And again, we manage to use the perfect to ruin the pragmatic. Nothing short of all of the hostages should be the deal. But it was never going to be the deal. It is sickening that Hamas is water dripping hostages at 3 a week. But that is 3 a week that have been freed from hell. How much longer should those have waited, so that everyone could be released, perhaps never?

Personally, I think that Israel should give the Gazans Who Matter (AKA Hamas and their supporters) two days to deliver all the kidnap victims. If GWM choose not to do that, shut off the water and power again until the hostages are freed. If two days later the hostages are not all freed, shut the borders to any incoming aid. Or will the international community make the perfect the enemy of the good by screaming "collective punishment" while hand waving the source of the problem?

It is a gawd damn war crime. You can't compare people labeling it as such as to clutching pearls. This shouldn't be treated as a war to hell, where the side who thinks they have the highest moral high ground can do a bit of digging.

It wouldn't be right and most importantly it wouldn't lead to anyone being released. So what in the heck do you plan to gain from it? You think if you kick the Gazans a few more times they'll have an epiphany and rise up against Hamas... to get gunned down. This is more of the George W Bush era "whatever it takes", which was actually "whatever we think we'll need to do to get an absurd sense of old school god righteousness because they wronged us."

Yes, Hamas kidnapping civilians is a war crime. Nice that you agree.

Seriously?

What's worse is that the international community is just letting Hamas get away with it. No other country has offered support or troops to Israel to help them

The international community gave Israel a blank check and looked the other way for months. Netanyahu took too long and achieved questionable objectives.

Yes. They looked the other way instead of helping Israel. That's pretty lame. Israel still hasn't gotten all hostages back. Clearly they should have kept "looking the other way". Its the moral thing to do

The Hezbollah beeper attack was generally ignored.

No, it wasn't. It was applauded. Did you have a problem with the beeper attack? I thought it was genius. A surgical strike at the enemy.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Netanyahu says Gaza ceasefire will end if Hamas does not return hostages by Saturday - live updates

The Israeli prime minister says the military will "return to intense fighting until Hamas is finally defeated" if the hostages are not freed.

www.bbc.com

Here's Trump saying something intelligent for once. Releasing all hostages should be a prerequisite to enter into any peace talks IMHO

And again, we manage to use the perfect to ruin the pragmatic. Nothing short of all of the hostages should be the deal. But it was never going to be the deal. It is sickening that Hamas is water dripping hostages at 3 a week. But that is 3 a week that have been freed from hell. How much longer should those have waited, so that everyone could be released, perhaps never?

Personally, I think that Israel should give the Gazans Who Matter (AKA Hamas and their supporters) two days to deliver all the kidnap victims. If GWM choose not to do that, shut off the water and power again until the hostages are freed. If two days later the hostages are not all freed, shut the borders to any incoming aid. Or will the international community make the perfect the enemy of the good by screaming "collective punishment" while hand waving the source of the problem?

It is a gawd damn war crime. You can't compare people labeling it as such as to clutching pearls. This shouldn't be treated as a war to hell, where the side who thinks they have the highest moral high ground can do a bit of digging.

It wouldn't be right and most importantly it wouldn't lead to anyone being released. So what in the heck do you plan to gain from it? You think if you kick the Gazans a few more times they'll have an epiphany and rise up against Hamas... to get gunned down. This is more of the George W Bush era "whatever it takes", which was actually "whatever we think we'll need to do to get an absurd sense of old school god righteousness because they wronged us."

Yes, Hamas kidnapping civilians is a war crime. Nice that you agree.

Seriously?

What's worse is that the international community is just letting Hamas get away with it. No other country has offered support or troops to Israel to help them

The international community gave Israel a blank check and looked the other way for months. Netanyahu took too long and achieved questionable objectives.

Yes. They looked the other way instead of helping Israel.

Because they knew the Israeli response was going to be morally questionable and generally accepted limitations on warfare were going to be broken.

So they let Israel see to it, no questions asked. There was a time limit though. It wasn't an indefinite blank check. Do you understand nothing about diplomacy?

The Hezbollah beeper attack was generally ignored.

No, it wasn't. It was applauded. Did you have a problem with the beeper attack? I thought it was genius. A surgical strike at the enemy.

It certainly wasn't applauded. Christ, if any other nation did what Israel had done, there would have been issues at the UN, but again, the global powers appreciated the situation. They didn't want to condone it too much because that is a Pandora's box. So there was a little feedback and we moved away from that as quickly as possible.