Hate is on the rise around the world

[GenesisNemesis]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c147w9572dvo
Jewish people in the EU continue to face high levels of antisemitism, according to the latest survey from the bloc's Fundamental Rights Agency (FRA).

What percentage of this antisemitism is by the Islamists EU foolishly allowed to immigrate by the millions in recent decades?

Shut the fuck up.

 

[Bomb#20]

Sit down buddy.

If you have nothing to say, it's generally better to say nothing, so that people aren't alerted to the fact that you are incapable of defending your position.

Exactly what is it that distinguishes TS's post in your mind from the almost identical GN post that you "Like"d 34 minutes later?

 

[TomC]

Sit down buddy.

If you have nothing to say, it's generally better to say nothing, so that people aren't alerted to the fact that you are incapable of defending your position.

Exactly what is it that distinguishes TS's post in your mind from the almost identical GN post that you "Like"d 34 minutes later?

Their track records.
I commonly disagree with GN, but he does usually explain what he means. TS doesn't often do that, he usually makes unsupported assertions then responds to discussion with dumbassery.
Tom

 

[Elixir]

Sit down buddy.

If you have nothing to say, it's generally better to say nothing, so that people aren't alerted to the fact that you are incapable of defending your position.

Exactly what is it that distinguishes TS's post in your mind from the almost identical GN post that you "Like"d 34 minutes later?

Their track records.
I commonly disagree with GN, but he does usually explain what he means. TS doesn't often do that, he usually makes unsupported assertions then responds to discussion with dumbassery.
Tom

Well, there IS that, but I think Swiz gets more raw treatment around here than is truly warranted a lot of the time.
I.e. people take him seriously for being uninformed, misinformed, anti-science etc., but I don't believe he is actually invested in those views beyond the outrage and pearl clutching they can inspire. Sure, he has all the Republican complaints, the New-scum jokes etc.. But the fact that he never even responds to being factually corrected tells me he is pretty much out of fucks to give about any of that shit - even the shit he complains about.
I actually like that, and wish I could be so detached from reality. Especially the realities that are forming right now.

 

[southernhybrid]

The thread wasn't meant to be about people simply disliking each other for no apparent reason or for verbally attacking each other online over politics. It was about hate crimes or constantly being discriminated against or verbally attacked primarily in person because of one's ethnicity, belief, sexual orientation, gender ID and things like that. We can blame it on people like Trump in the US, but why is it happening in so many other parts of the world?

That is why I started off posting about one of the most horrific crimes committed against a transgender person. They are among the most likely to be murdered or physically attacked compared to others. Why do people care if someone is different? Even if you don't understand, why attack the person? Why not just others be who they are? Why not simply keep your feelings to yourself, or at least refrain from doing the people you don't like any harm? What political things have happened in other parts of the world to make this more common? Why are so many European countries turning to the hard right? Based no the replies, I guess we don't know.

I've discussed the rise of racism with some of my close Black friends and we are all confused. We know there have always been racists but at least in recent years, the majority of them kept their hatred to themselves. Now, they are open about their racism. No it's not like we've gone back to the Jim Crown days, but any progress we've made seems to be sliding away. We even have people proudly saying they are Nazis or that it's cool to be racist. WTF! There have been more crimes directed towards minorities. I'm just trying to understand the reason behind the rise in hatred, but so far, there have been no good answers. I guess we don't know what's going on. So, I'll eave it at that. Thanks for trying.

 

[Elixir]

why is it happening in so many other parts of the world?

Because Cheato has made himself into a global of avarice and malice. (As well as a laughingstock)
No mystery.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

The thread wasn't meant to be about people simply disliking each other for no apparent reason or for verbally attacking each other online over politics.

Sure I'm just pissed a certain someone decided to make it into a thread about hating the evil Muslims.

 

[TomC]

The thread wasn't meant to be about people simply disliking each other for no apparent reason or for verbally attacking each other online over politics.

Sure I'm just pissed a certain someone decided to make it into a thread about hating the evil Muslims.

What is the thread about again?
Tom

 

[Swammerdami]

Fake conversation for purpose of clarification:
* Timmy says "3+3=6"
* Bobby says "1+4=6"
* Teacher says "Timmy's right, Bobby's wrong"
* Bob's uncle shows up and complains that Bobby is criticized unfairly: "He gave the same answer, 6, as Timmy gave."

We just saw a variation of this. Before reviewing that however, let's briefly discuss thread topic: Hatred around the world.
TL;DR: There's a lot of it.

Many Hindus in India hate Muslims, almost advocating genocide. Many Arabs hate Jews; many Christians and Jews hate Muslims; Many Whites hate Blacks; the list goes on and on. Hatred IS on the rise, enabled by recent ascendancy of the Right-wing and Fascism.

When I was young I witnessed about ZERO hatred against Jews. I had a childhood friend; I barely knew that he was Jewish but he made some comments that led me to understand he had experienced anti-Semitism. I spent most of my young adulthood either in Berkeley -- renowned as a "hotbed" of progressive thought -- or Silicon Valley -- where engineers were too busy working unpaid overtime to mention any prejudices. And of course Arabs in the U.S. are generally too happy to be living in the U.S. to reveal bigotries if they have any. The Swizzster had to go all the way to Austria -- home of the famous moustached man -- to come up with an anecdote to impugn Arabs generally.

When I moved to rural Thailand I came into contact with a different sort of Caucasian male than I'd encountered in Berkeley or Silicon Valley. On some occasions I drank beer with seven Brits and listened while EVERY one of those Europeans badmouthed Jews. (I listened silently; color me a shameful coward if you wish.) One Irishman asserted "There must be something wrong with the Jews. Why else have they been hated for hundreds of years."

Although Trump's equivalent of the "Brown Shirts" march and shout "Jews will not replace us," in the U.S.A. it is Blacks who are the major victims of the bigotries of police and MAGA scum more generally. Anyone who pretends not to believe that is a troll. But Americans have plenty of hatred against Muslims, against the brown-skinned, and against immigrants more generally. Some "red-neck" Americans generally hate Asians. Even otherwise-rational Americans are at fault: I, for one, strongly dislike "red-neck" Americans and supporters of Trumpism, even thought the rational part of my brain understands that I should pity these bigots.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c147w9572dvo
Jewish people in the EU continue to face high levels of antisemitism, according to the latest survey from the bloc's Fundamental Rights Agency (FRA).

What percentage of this antisemitism is by the Islamists EU foolishly allowed to immigrate by the millions in recent decades?

Rather LITTLE I will guess anecdotally, based on my personal conversations with middle-aged white British males.

Shut the fuck up.

(I don't need to ask that racist misogynist to shut up. Two clicks silences him permanently, although a third click is then needed when I inject myself into a conversation where he is quoted.)

Sit down buddy.

If you have nothing to say, it's generally better to say nothing, so that people aren't alerted to the fact that you are incapable of defending your position.

Exactly what is it that distinguishes TS's post in your mind from the almost identical GN post that you "Like"d 34 minutes later?

It's the difference between reality and racist fantasy. Re-read the comment by Bobby's uncle (your metaphier) at the beginning of this post if you really don't get it.

 

[Bomb#20]

* The tolerance/hatred divide correlates strongly with the left/right political divide.

Indeed so. Studies consistently show those on the left are less likely to tolerate political disagreement among their friends.

3. Partisan environments, views of political conversations and disagreements

For the most part, people have politically mixed friend groups, although both Republicans and Democrats are more likely to say they have a lot of friends

www.pewresearch.org

The State of American Friendship: Change, Challenges, and Loss - The Survey Center on American Life

The May 2021 American Perspectives Survey finds that Americans report having fewer close friendships than they once did, talking to their friends less often, and relying less on their friends for personal support.

www.americansurveycenter.org

"Ending friendships over political disagreements occurs more among liberal and Democratic-leaning Americans. Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans are to report having ended a friendship over a political disagreement (20 percent vs. 10 percent). Political liberals are also far more likely than conservatives are to say they are no longer friends with someone due to political differences (28 percent vs. 10 percent, respectively). No group is more likely to end a friendship over politics than liberal women are; 33 percent say they stopped being friends with someone because of their politics."​

Here's one of many articles discussing this. TLDR:

Harm/care, Fairness/reciprocity, Ingroup/loyalty, Authority/respect, Purity/sanctity​

In the first place, how the bejesus do you figure Haidt's famous "moral foundations" categories are a measure of tolerance/hatred? You can hate somebody because you consider him unfair just as easily as you can hate him because you consider him disrespectful. This appears to be another example, like SoHy, of leftists simply defining disagreement with themselves as hatred.

And in the second place, the article you cite is paywalled but I've seen those studies on moral foundations and they're hopelessly contaminated by the political biases of the researchers. The questions they ask respondents are invariably chosen in ways that cater to leftists' self-image. Leftists' moral judgments are deeply informed by ingroup/loyalty, authority/respect, and purity/sanctity too, just like rightists are, but leftists have different ingroups, authorities and sacred cows from rightists', and the surveys don't ask about theirs.

 

[Elixir]

I, for one, strongly dislike "red-neck" Americans and supporters of Trumpism, even thought the rational part of my brain understands that I should pity these bigots.

I resemble that.

Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans are to report having ended a friendship over a political disagreement (20 percent vs. 10 percent). Political liberals are also far more likely than conservatives are to say they are no longer friends with someone due to political differences (28 percent vs. 10 percent, respectively).

Possibly because Republicans are a lot more detached (at least IME). They simply don't give a fuck, and are vastly entertained by Dems running around with their hair on fire. Swiz is a good case in point. The notion that there could be a threat from fascism - or anything on the right - just flat out doesn't register. It's just an abstraction. At least the conservatives have identified The Enemy Within®!

I have picked out a few well intended (I believe) republicans on FB with whom I cultivate a speaking relationship, and bite my tongue when tempted to tell them they have been fed full of bullshit, or to point out factual errors.
It's heartbreaking because those same people are being harmed and are taking it willingly because they believe shit like "yeah food prices will go up, but if we let Trump do his tariffs they will come back down". They're family people, just trying to swim upstream against what they perceive as the Democrat-created current.
They truly are lambs being led to slaughter.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

* The tolerance/hatred divide correlates strongly with the left/right political divide.

Indeed so. Studies consistently show those on the left are less likely to tolerate political disagreement among their friends.

3. Partisan environments, views of political conversations and disagreements

For the most part, people have politically mixed friend groups, although both Republicans and Democrats are more likely to say they have a lot of friends

www.pewresearch.org

The State of American Friendship: Change, Challenges, and Loss - The Survey Center on American Life

The May 2021 American Perspectives Survey finds that Americans report having fewer close friendships than they once did, talking to their friends less often, and relying less on their friends for personal support.

www.americansurveycenter.org

"Ending friendships over political disagreements occurs more among liberal and Democratic-leaning Americans. Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans are to report having ended a friendship over a political disagreement (20 percent vs. 10 percent). Political liberals are also far more likely than conservatives are to say they are no longer friends with someone due to political differences (28 percent vs. 10 percent, respectively). No group is more likely to end a friendship over politics than liberal women are; 33 percent say they stopped being friends with someone because of their politics."​

So what? People are free to associate with who they want to associate with. I mean, except if you're racist, of course, then you're just an idiot. And worthless.

 

[bilby]

Sit down buddy.

If you have nothing to say, it's generally better to say nothing, so that people aren't alerted to the fact that you are incapable of defending your position.

Exactly what is it that distinguishes TS's post in your mind from the almost identical GN post that you "Like"d 34 minutes later?

I didn't like it, I merely agreed with it; And the difference is that GN was responding to an attempt to derail discussion into a longstanding hobbyhorse topic, while TS's post was an attempt to avoid further discussion of something he himself raised.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Sit down buddy.

If you have nothing to say, it's generally better to say nothing, so that people aren't alerted to the fact that you are incapable of defending your position.

Exactly what is it that distinguishes TS's post in your mind from the almost identical GN post that you "Like"d 34 minutes later?

I didn't like it, I merely agreed with it; And the difference is that GN was responding to an attempt to derail discussion into a longstanding hobbyhorse topic, while TS's post was an attempt to avoid further discussion of something he himself raised.

Don't try to explain differences to him. I've tried it, didn't work.

 

[TSwizzle]

Sure I'm just pissed a certain someone decided to make it into a thread about hating the evil Muslims.

Indeed, let’s focus on how only white, redneck, Trump supporting Christian nationalists are the only sort capable of hate and ignore everything else.

This thread is just another bigoted rant against whitey and Trump.

 

[TomC]

Sure I'm just pissed a certain someone decided to make it into a thread about hating the evil Muslims.

Indeed, let’s focus on how only white, redneck, Trump supporting Christian nationalists are the only sort capable of hate and ignore everything else.

This thread is just another bigoted rant against whitey and Trump.

Nobody on this forum said anything like that.

Go ahead, do your usual thing.
Post a rolling eyes emoji instead of backing up your unsupported assertions.
Tom

 

[TSwizzle]

The world's first openly gay imam has been killed after he was shot in a drive-by shooting after allegedly officiating a Lesbian wedding. Hendricks, 57, was ambushed in his car on Saturday morning while he was travelling in the South African city of Gqeberha. The Muslim cleric ran a mosque in Cape Town which was intended to be a safe haven for LGBTQ Muslims.

Daily Mail

 

[Elixir]

The world's first openly gay imam has been killed after he was shot in a drive-by shooting after allegedly officiating a Lesbian wedding. Hendricks, 57, was ambushed in his car on Saturday morning while he was travelling in the South African city of Gqeberha. The Muslim cleric ran a mosque in Cape Town which was intended to be a safe haven for LGBTQ Muslims.

Daily Mail

The shooter has been arrested. He is identified only as a white, redneck, Trump supporting Christian nationalist.

 

[Bomb#20]

Sit down buddy.

If you have nothing to say, it's generally better to say nothing, so that people aren't alerted to the fact that you are incapable of defending your position.

Exactly what is it that distinguishes TS's post in your mind from the almost identical GN post that you "Like"d 34 minutes later?

Their track records.
I commonly disagree with GN, but he does usually explain what he means. TS doesn't often do that, he usually makes unsupported assertions then responds to discussion with dumbassery.
Tom

Your experience doesn't match mine. If you plow through the thread I linked in post #12 you'll see countless examples of GN making unsupported assertions and responding to discussion with dumbassery.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

One Irishman asserted "There must be something wrong with the Jews. Why else have they been hated for hundreds of years."

That is ironic coming from an Irishman considering the history of hundreds of years of antagonism by the English towards the Irish. He probably doesn't even know about the potato famine and other aspects of Anglo-Irish history.