Bitch about Biden thread

[Politesse]

Seriously, right now you're bitching and moaning that Sally hit Chad in the head with a frying pan, and what horrible domestic abuse that is, and how we should absolutely not tolerate any sort of domestic abuse at all ever... while simultaneously ignoring the fact that Chad has been beating the shit out of Sally every night for a decade, and that Sally hit Chad in self defense.

A system of justice that ignores context is no system of justice at all. But you're asking me to ignore a hell of a lot of context if you're asking me to accept two individual people arguing as a reasonable metaphor for what happens in a war between religious factions. No, Emily. Neither Israel nor any other country, religious, or political label is anything remotely like either Chad or Sally, unless Chad or Sally happen to own the deeds to a million people's homes, jobs, and lives. Nor, were I a judge, would I ever rule to allow either Chad or Sally to kill one another in payment for the others' crimes, let alone allow them to kill each other's children as weregild.

 

[Derec]

She chose to have children she wasn't in a position to raise and without having life insurance on the person she was counting on to help.

And this is exactly why I am calling it out as sexist, Loren. YOU have framed the entirety of it around a failing on the part of the woman. You have not once made any statements that assign responsibility to the man.

He is referring to a specific scenario from way upthread. In it, the husband is dead. That is why Loren is focusing on her choices and responsibility. It was not meant as a general statement.

 

[Emily Lake]

She chose to have children she wasn't in a position to raise and without having life insurance on the person she was counting on to help.

And this is exactly why I am calling it out as sexist, Loren. YOU have framed the entirety of it around a failing on the part of the woman. You have not once made any statements that assign responsibility to the man.

He is referring to a specific scenario from way upthread. In it, the husband is dead. That is why Loren is focusing on her choices and responsibility. It was not meant as a general statement.

Yeah, sure, the husband died - and somehow the woman should have known that he was going to die before SHE decided to have kids? Nah, Loren is placing the entire onus on the woman, including that SHE should have made sure that there was enough life insurance. Not one iota of responsibility goes to the father for the decision to have kids, nor the decision to have insufficient life insurance, it's only on the woman.

 

[laughing dog]

She chose to have children she wasn't in a position to raise and without having life insurance on the person she was counting on to help.

And this is exactly why I am calling it out as sexist, Loren. YOU have framed the entirety of it around a failing on the part of the woman. You have not once made any statements that assign responsibility to the man.

He is referring to a specific scenario from way upthread. In it, the husband is dead. That is why Loren is focusing on her choices and responsibility. It was not meant as a general statement.

Yeah, sure, the husband died - and somehow the woman should have known that he was going to die before SHE decided to have kids? Nah, Loren is placing the entire onus on the woman, including that SHE should have made sure that there was enough life insurance. Not one iota of responsibility goes to the father for the decision to have kids, nor the decision to have insufficient life insurance, it's only on the woman.

And LP’s view ignores the effect on the children. They are put at risk in that situation.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

She chose to have children she wasn't in a position to raise and without having life insurance on the person she was counting on to help.

And this is exactly why I am calling it out as sexist, Loren. YOU have framed the entirety of it around a failing on the part of the woman. You have not once made any statements that assign responsibility to the man.

It takes two to make a kid. So why aren't you slandering the father for choosing to have kids that he wasn't in a position to raise without having life insurance on himself? Why is it only the woman's responsibility and the woman's failing that you see?

I do agree he's also wrong. But he wasn't the illustration.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What is the "region", Emily? Make it specific. You're calling for war, decades of war with at least thousands of casualties. It seems to me that the least you can do is clarify exactly between which countries and with what objectives? This isn't a subject that should be trivialized. You're calling for blood, guts, and brains to be spilled in your name, not rooting for a fucking sports team. Take it seriously for ten seconds. Who do you want to kill whom, for how long, with what objectives, at what cost, and what proportion of the cost or troops do you want your own country to supply to the conflict? These are not simple questions, but you have no place agitating for bloodshed unless you have some kind of answers to them. No one should sign a blank check to a war.

The war is going to happen even if you stick your head in the sand about it. It's just that Israel serves as a lightning rod, keeping the vast majority of the attacks away from us. Radical Islam does not believe in peace with non-Muslisms.

 

[Derec]

Amerindian terrorist who murdered two FBI agents was just released from federal prison after his sentence was commuted by Biden.

Leonard Peltier leaves prison after Biden commuted his sentence in the killing of two FBI agents

This was long on the wish list of the far left. Clinton resisted. Obama resisted. Biden did not resist.
This exemplifies what was fundamentally wrong with the Biden presidency. He was too willing to roll over to the left wing of the Democratic Party.
And I think that this led us to Trump being reelected. We elected Biden to restore normalcy, not to push the Bernie/AOC agenda.

 

[ZiprHead]

Amerindian terrorist who murdered two FBI agents was just released from federal prison after his sentence was commuted by Biden.

Leonard Peltier leaves prison after Biden commuted his sentence in the killing of two FBI agents

This was long on the wish list of the far left. Clinton resisted. Obama resisted. Biden did not resist.
This exemplifies what was fundamentally wrong with the Biden presidency. He was too willing to roll over to the left wing of the Democratic Party.
And I think that this led us to Trump being reelected. We elected Biden to restore normalcy, not to push the Bernie/AOC agenda.

Yeah, the eighty year old man is a major threat the the nation.

 

[Politesse]

"Amerindian", seriously? That a new white nationalist trend or something? I always thought it was dumb when Europeans said that, but it sounds even stupider coming from an American.

Anyways, hysterics aren't called for. I doubt most Americans even know Peltier is, let alone care enough about him to have voted for Trump in protest of his future commutation.

 

[Elixir]

Jews are a particularly sticky wicket.

That was my point.
A sticky, militaristic wicket.

Why do you add militaristic?
Leaving out the defense against violent attacks, what militaristic behavior are you referring to? I don't see much.
Tom

What you don’t see, forms the basis of your position.
I think you’d “see” it with great clarity if you’d been living as an Arab in Gaza or the West Bank for the last 15+ years.

 

[Derec]

Yeah, the eighty year old man is a major threat the the nation.

Several things to unpack here.

• I never claimed that Peltier himself was a specific threat at this time, so your statement is a straw man.
• Plenty of murderers are still in prison at 80. Why should politically motivated murderers get special treatment?
• Related to above, should only left-wing political violence be so rewarded? Should Terry Nichols also be released from prison in 11 years?
• As I clearly stated in my post, this case is exemplary of a wider problem of the Biden administration being too ready to kowtow to the left wing activists and politicians.

 

[Derec]

"Amerindian", seriously? That a new white nationalist trend or something?

It's actually the academic term for American Indians.
I avoid the loaded and politically-correct term "Native American" because it implies that Amerindians are more American than the rest of us.

I always thought it was dumb when Europeans said that, but it sounds even stupider coming from an American.

Why?

Anyways, hysterics aren't called for. I doubt most Americans even know Peltier is, let alone care enough about him to have voted for Trump in protest of his future commutation.

I did not say that people voted for Trump over that murderer, given that the commutation was announced well after the election and actually on the last day of the Biden presidency - the timing itself is illustrative that Biden and his team knew how controversial this giveaway to the far left activists was.

But many people (not me, I realized Kamala Harris was the lesser of two evils) voted for Trump because they were frustrated by Biden's penchant to slide to the left on a variety of issues.
And it is quite rich for the Dems to pretend to be supportive of the FBI when their president is commuting the sentence of a murderer of two FBO agents over express objections from the agency.
Wray urged Biden not to commute sentence of Indigenous activist Leonard Peltier

 

[ZiprHead]

Yeah, the eighty year old man is a major threat the the nation.

Several things to unpack here.

• I never claimed that Peltier himself was a specific threat at this time, so your statement is a straw man.

Never said you did.

• Plenty of murderers are still in prison at 80. Why should politically motivated murderers get special treatment?

Because it shows solidarity with a significant voting bloc. And there are still a lot of questions concerning this case.

• Related to above, should only left-wing political violence be so rewarded? Should Terry Nichols also be released from prison in 11 years?

Talk about straw men.

• As I clearly stated in my post, this case is exemplary of a wider problem of the Biden administration being too ready to kowtow to the left wing activists and politicians.

OH NOOOOEEEESSSS!!!

Left wing bad. grunt grunt.

 

[laughing dog]

Yeah, the eighty year old man is a major threat the the nation.

Several things to unpack here.

• I never claimed that Peltier himself was a specific threat at this time, so your statement is a straw man.

It is not a straw man. If Mr. Peltier is not a major threat, then there is one less reason to keep him in prison.

• Plenty of murderers are still in prison at 80. Why should politically motivated murderers get special treatment?

As long as we are going to play "whatabout", at least do it right. Do you have an example of an 80 year old or more convicted murderer on federal charges in poor health who plead not guilty and disputes the conviction and who asked for clemency?

• Related to above, should only left-wing political violence be so rewarded? Should Terry Nichols also be released from prison in 11 years?

No to both questions. Your whataboutism with Terry Nichols is truly amazing - he is a convicted mass killer on federal and state charges, so a President could not completely pardon Mr. Nichols.

• As I clearly stated in my post, this case is exemplary of a wider problem of the Biden administration being too ready to kowtow to the left wing activists and politicians.

That is an example of your opinion and nothing else.

 

[Politesse]

It's actually the academic term for American Indians.

You're speaking to an American cultural anthropologist, and I say you're full of shit on that point. There's no standard "academic term for American Indians" though both "American Indian" and "Native American" are much more common in the US than "Amerindian", which is mostly used by overseas art collectors and museum curators in Europe.

Why?

Firstly because no one calls themselves that, and secondly it's a slangish slopping together of two completely inaccurate terms.

But many people (not me, I realized Kamala Harris was the lesser of two evils) voted for Trump because they were frustrated by Biden's penchant to slide to the left on a variety of issues.

How is it even a "Leftist issue"? The situation resembled Waco in most respects except the race of the targeted arrestees and the chain-of-evidence issues that emerged during and after the trial. If you think the right to bear arms should not be infringed, self-defense never questioned, etc etc you should be swinging in Peltier's defense, not bitching about the conditions of his hospice care.

 

[robnisch]

It's actually the academic term for American Indians.

You're speaking to an American cultural anthropologist, and I say you're full of shit on that point. There's no standard "academic term for American Indians" though both "American Indian" and "Native American" are much more common in the US than "Amerindian", which is mostly used by overseas art collectors and museum curators in Europe.

Why?

Firstly because no one calls themselves that, and secondly it's a slangish slopping together of two completely inaccurate terms.

But many people (not me, I realized Kamala Harris was the lesser of two evils) voted for Trump because they were frustrated by Biden's penchant to slide to the left on a variety of issues.

How is it even a "Leftist issue"? The situation resembled Waco in most respects except the race of the targeted arrestees and the chain-of-evidence issues that emerged during and after the trial. If you think the right to bear arms should not be infringed, self-defense never questioned, etc etc you should be swinging in Peltier's defense, not bitching about the conditions of his hospice care.

If I recall, the Feds never made a strong case that the bullets that killed the agents were from his rifle.
But, that was a long time ago.
After more reading it seems they had a good case.
As far as names go.
In Alaska there are very few Indians. And most of them own convenient stores.

 

[ZiprHead]

Didn't we already snip this derail? Take the Israel / Gaza stuff to the Israel / Gaza thread.

Yes, we did and warnings were stated.

I am locking the thread for another huge cleanup.

 

[ZiprHead]

President Biden warns of 'oligarchy' as he bids farewell to five decades in politics

Joe Biden, who will be replaced by Donald Trump in five days, defended his legacy and the importance of American democracy in an Oval Office address

www.usatoday.com

Now that he's leaving office he can talk about what's actually happening. Lmao this country is a joke.

Brandon is a hoot. He was all in on "big tech when it came to suppressing free speech and spreading misinformation about covid measures and Russia hoaxes etc.

Obama said the same thing about the oligarchy and Citizen United but Biden must not have been paying attention since many of those particular billionaires were on the Democrat side at that time.

Really? Name them.

Zuckerburg, Bezos, and yes Musk voted for Hillary as well.

Cite?

 

[ZiprHead]

Thread has been reopened. Please mind the derails. Thanks.

 

[Politesse]

Sorry Zipr