You can’t call JD Vance “weird”

[bigfield]

Reminds me that I need to go watch some John Wayne movies to learn what masculinity is.

 

[thebeave]

Okay that is definitely worse.

Not that slavery wasn't a major part of the actual history of the town, but oddly enough they never brought that up at Heritage Day...

I did a little Google search on this. We were not the only school to do it. In fact, it was being done not only in the US, but in Austrailia. Here is a reddit post with people sharing their experiences and memories. It seems it was more common in high schools (as a charity fundraiser) than elementary schools though. Looks like the different communities had their own rules too. Surprised to see that many reported doing this as late as the 90's and even into the 2000's.

 

[Swammerdami]

In my hick hometown, we had a tradition in my elementary school (around 5th and/or 6th grade) called "Slave Day". I've forgotten some of the details, but I remember students were classified as either a slave or a master. Not sure how that was decided, though. The "slaves" had to wear their clothing inside out to identify them and take orders from their masters. I don't recall that it got into serious bullying...it was mostly stuff like telling the slaves to "sharpen all my pencils" or "eat my nasty vegetables" at the school lunch. I don't recall if it was a staff sanctioned event, but on the other hand, they didn't go out of their way to shut it down.

This reminded me of a YouTube showing a woman (Jane Elliot) teaching a class of teens how victims of bigotry suffer. The blue-eyed teenagers were arbitrarily assigned to be the "out-group." One blonde girl was especially annoyed at this.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Reminds me that I need to go watch some John Wayne movies to learn what masculinity is.

And don’t forget Rock Hudson, that paragon of masculinity. Military man and truck driver prior to his acting career as one of Hollywood’s leading men.

 

[thebeave]

In my hick hometown, we had a tradition in my elementary school (around 5th and/or 6th grade) called "Slave Day". I've forgotten some of the details, but I remember students were classified as either a slave or a master. Not sure how that was decided, though. The "slaves" had to wear their clothing inside out to identify them and take orders from their masters. I don't recall that it got into serious bullying...it was mostly stuff like telling the slaves to "sharpen all my pencils" or "eat my nasty vegetables" at the school lunch. I don't recall if it was a staff sanctioned event, but on the other hand, they didn't go out of their way to shut it down.

This reminded me of a YouTube showing a woman (Jane Elliot) teaching a class of teens how victims of bigotry suffer. The blue-eyed teenagers were arbitrarily assigned to be the "out-group." One blonde girl was especially annoyed at this.

I am familar with the experiment you discuss above. That's not what this was, at my school. TBH, I'm not sure even what the point of it was. There didn't seem to be any kind of moral lesson to it. Or if there was, it was a big fat failure. As near as I can remember, it was, oddly enough, meant to be sort of a "fun" diversion for the students. IIRC, most students did have fun with it...both the masters and the slaves. It was commonplace to send a kid off for a spanking by the principal back then as well. It was definitely a less PC time.

 

[bigfield]

Reminds me that I need to go watch some John Wayne movies to learn what masculinity is.

And don’t forget Rock Hudson, that paragon of masculinity. Military man and truck driver prior to his acting career as one of Hollywood’s leading men.

Oh yeah, now there's a man's man.

 

[ZiprHead]

We've so many Trump threads, I thought it best to bump a Vance thread for news about our Vice President.

Vice President JD Vance, in a rare public appearance, told the audience at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) that America’s “cultural message” tells young men they should “suppress every masculine urge” and become “androgynous idiots.” His comments on Thursday were well-received at the far-right conference, but more widely, were quickly denounced, as critics urged him to revisit his own remarks and his own societal and religious beliefs.

“I think that our culture sends a message to young men that you should suppress every masculine urge,” the Ohio Republican said, to cheers (video below). “You should try to cast aside your family, you should try to suppress what makes you a young man in the first place.”

“And I think that my, my message to young men is, don’t allow this broken culture to send you a message that you’re a bad person because you’re a man, because you like to tell a joke, because you like to have a beer with your friends or because you’re competitive.”

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Vance went on to claim that “our cultural message is, I think, that it wants to turn everybody into whether male or female into androgynous idiots who think the same, talk the same and act the same.”

“We actually think God made male and female for a purpose, and we want you guys to thrive as young men and as young women, and we’re gonna help with our public policy to make it possible to do that.”

Fred Wellman is a graduate of West Point and the Harvard Kennedy School, an Army veteran of 22 years who served four combat tours, and is now a political consultant and the host of the podcast “On Democracy.”

“Nobody thinks that,” Wellman wrote, responding to Vance’s remarks. “We just don’t want our young men to rape women. This isn’t hard. This guy is such a f— incel.”

“This guy is too much of a chicken to stand up publicly to a guy who he privately described as a ‘moral disaster’ or to defend his own wife’s honor from a punk kid who said we should ‘normalize Indian hate.’ Obsequious, snivelling, Vancely cowardice ain’t masculinity,” decried U.S. Rep. Sean Casten (D-IL).

Appearing to mock the vice president, The Atlantic’s Jemele Hill asked, “Who told men they can’t have beer with their friends? What I miss?”

Self-described former “Republican flack” and conservative Christian, Kristy Campbell, appearing to denigrate President Trump’s attack on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy this week, noted, “I don’t think it’s a good idea to lecture on masculinity at CPAC – which was launched in 1974 with an incredible speech by future president Ronald Reagan about freedom and America’s role in the world – when you just capitulated to Russia.”

Award-winning author Jennifer Erin Valent blasted Vance, saying, “What he’s really aiming at isn’t the ability to exercise true masculine strength but rather the ability to be a jerk without accountability. And since he brought God into it, I advise him to take a walk through the gospels and see how his brand of manhood measures up to Christ’s.”

“These guys aren’t reviving masculinity, they’re reviving being a dick. There’s a difference,” wrote Justin Kanew, a writer, producer, and political activist who appeared on the 15th and 18th seasons of “The Amazing Race.” Kanew runs the progressive platform The Tennessee Holler.

“For somebody who supposedly is so smart, JD Vance really says some stupid things,” blasted CNN political commentator Maria Cardona. “No, our culture does not tell young men that they cannot be masculine. But hopefully they are getting the message that that masculinity has to come with decency, compassion, generosity, and confidence that you can be all these things and that actually define real confident manhood. Real men don’t have to go around proving that they are real men.”

Emmy-nominated writer and comedian Mike Drucker asked, “is masculinity when you never stop fucking whining about everything? that seems to be the vance demo.”

David J. Bier, director of immigration studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, remarked, “Is the message young American men need to hear: ‘keep drinking beer with your friends and telling jokes that might offend people’? That doesn’t make you a ‘bad person,’ but there’s something broken in a culture that thinks that’s the most important message to give kids.”

That sounds like a big "It's someone else's fault I'm a wanker." excuse.

 

[Jarhyn]

In my hick hometown, we had a tradition in my elementary school (around 5th and/or 6th grade) called "Slave Day". I've forgotten some of the details, but I remember students were classified as either a slave or a master. Not sure how that was decided, though. The "slaves" had to wear their clothing inside out to identify them and take orders from their masters. I don't recall that it got into serious bullying...it was mostly stuff like telling the slaves to "sharpen all my pencils" or "eat my nasty vegetables" at the school lunch. I don't recall if it was a staff sanctioned event, but on the other hand, they didn't go out of their way to shut it down.

This reminded me of a YouTube showing a woman (Jane Elliot) teaching a class of teens how victims of bigotry suffer. The blue-eyed teenagers were arbitrarily assigned to be the "out-group." One blonde girl was especially annoyed at this.

I am familar with the experiment you discuss above. That's not what this was, at my school. TBH, I'm not sure even what the point of it was. There didn't seem to be any kind of moral lesson to it. Or if there was, it was a big fat failure. As near as I can remember, it was, oddly enough, meant to be sort of a "fun" diversion for the students. IIRC, most students did have fun with it...both the masters and the slaves. It was commonplace to send a kid off for a spanking by the principal back then as well. It was definitely a less PC time.

Empathy.

Literally the whole point of it was to put a touchpoint in people's lives, at some "early" time, where they were unfairly or arbitrarily hurt/hurtful, and where it was explicit that hurt and hurtfulness was casually bandied about, so they can recognize in the future when people are acting similarly to that, arbitrarily being hurtful over superficiality.

When people fail to learn this lesson, honestly, it's probably either because the teachers didn't let it go far enough.

If you missed the point or it didn't have the touchpoint established well enough to you, I pity you truly.

 

[Swammerdami]

The sheer ugliness of J.D. Vance's character must be almost unprecedented. While Trump mostly golfs and farts, Vance has spent his term taking his family on expensive taxpayer-paid vacations. Part of Disneyland, the Taj Mahal, and even the Colosseum in Rome were all CLOSED for other visitors when Vance showed up to vaunt his power.

Can you imagine being a tourist enjoying a once-in-a-lifetime trip to Rome, and finding your Colosseum ticket void because of this asshole? And then learning that Vance skipped his personal Colosseum visit because he didn't want to see yet another batch of protestors.?

 

[Politesse]

The sheer ugliness of J.D. Vance's character must be almost unprecedented. While Trump mostly golfs and farts, Vance has spent his term taking his family on expensive taxpayer-paid vacations. Part of Disneyland, the Taj Mahal, and even the Colosseum in Rome were all CLOSED for other visitors when Vance showed up to vaunt his power.

Can you imagine being a tourist enjoying a once-in-a-lifetime trip to Rome, and finding your Colosseum ticket void because of this asshole? And then learning that Vance skipped his personal Colosseum visit because he didn't want to see yet another batch of protestors.?

All the tech bros are pulling that shit lately. Vance pretends not to be "of that set" anymore, but the pulp doesn't drip far from the cytosporum.

 

[Bronzeage]

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Still not weird.

No Proof Trump Supporters Carried Jars of Fake Vance Semen at Rallies

While the photos did not appear to be manipulated, Snopes identified several red flags suggesting they may have been part of a hoax. However, we could not arrive at a true or false determination based on the available, inconclusive evidence.

On Aug. 17, 2024, images allegedly showing Trump supporters holding medical specimen jars labeled "JD Vance Full Family Kit" and filled with fake semen spread online. The photos generated several uncritical headlines accepting as fact the premise that this was a genuine political gesture.

I'm going to invoke Poe's law, supported by Rule 34. The first photo may be a hoax, but after seeing it, MAGA started doing it.