What if . . .

[WAB]

Heaven is eternal oblivion. Nothing to worry about. Nothing to wait for. Nothing to regret. No pain, no dreams, no fussing, fussing, fretting, no hand wringing, no nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing at all.

Not if NIetzsche’s Eternal Recurrence is true. Then we get to do this fucking shit all over again, again and again for eternity, without any memory of having done it before.

Egads...

 

[bilby]

Heaven is eternal oblivion. Nothing to worry about. Nothing to wait for. Nothing to regret. No pain, no dreams, no fussing, fussing, fretting, no hand wringing, no nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing at all.

Not if NIetzsche’s Eternal Recurrence is true. Then we get to do this fucking shit all over again, again and again for eternity, without any memory of having done it before.

What's the difference?

Einstein's block universe suggests that every part of our life is always there; We don't do it over and over, we are "always" doing all of it.

But it amounts to the same thing in all three cases. Once through, repeatedly through, Or not through at all (with going "through" just an illusion caused by present memories at every point), these are all indestinguishable, and knowing which (if any) is "true" does nothing whatsoever to alter the experience or the situation.

 

[unapologetic]

Heaven is eternal oblivion. Nothing to worry about. Nothing to wait for. Nothing to regret. No pain, no dreams, no fussing, fussing, fretting, no hand wringing, no nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing at all.

Hell. What kind of Christgen er you? You sound lik one o them goddam atheists ta me.

 

[pood]

Heaven is eternal oblivion. Nothing to worry about. Nothing to wait for. Nothing to regret. No pain, no dreams, no fussing, fussing, fretting, no hand wringing, no nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing at all.

Not if NIetzsche’s Eternal Recurrence is true. Then we get to do this fucking shit all over again, again and again for eternity, without any memory of having done it before.

What's the difference?

Einstein's block universe suggests that every part of our life is always there; We don't do it over and over, we are "always" doing all of it.

But it amounts to the same thing in all three cases. One through, repeatedly through, Or not through at all (with going "through" just an illusion caused by present memories at every point), these are all indestinguishable, and knowing which (if any) is "true" does nothing whatsoever to alter the experience or the situation.

That’s true, but what it also means, it seems, is that you are never permanently “out” of existence. Your existence is eternally there, between birth and death. So it seems there would be no eternal peace of the grave.

 

[bilby]

Heaven is eternal oblivion. Nothing to worry about. Nothing to wait for. Nothing to regret. No pain, no dreams, no fussing, fussing, fretting, no hand wringing, no nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing at all.

Not if NIetzsche’s Eternal Recurrence is true. Then we get to do this fucking shit all over again, again and again for eternity, without any memory of having done it before.

What's the difference?

Einstein's block universe suggests that every part of our life is always there; We don't do it over and over, we are "always" doing all of it.

But it amounts to the same thing in all three cases. One through, repeatedly through, Or not through at all (with going "through" just an illusion caused by present memories at every point), these are all indestinguishable, and knowing which (if any) is "true" does nothing whatsoever to alter the experience or the situation.

That’s true, but what it also means, it seems, is that you are never permanently “out” of existence. Your existence is eternally there, between birth and death. So it seems there would be no eternal peace of the grave.

There's never any ephemeral peace of unconsciousness either though, so we litterally cannot and will not be missing anything.

When I had my wisdom teeth extracted I was under general anaesthesia for over an hour (I was a particularly complex case), and my experience jumped straight from the pre-op room with the anaesthetic being injected, to the recovery room. I didn't experience any period of "peace", and I see no reason to think the experience would have differed for me in any way if I had died during the operation.

Insofar as we feel "peace" in sleep, it is because of the presence of experience - dreams or dreaminess - not its absence.

When I am sufficiently tired, sleep is more like anaesthesia, with no transition at all between dropping off and waking up.

I expect death to be much the same, but wothout the "waking up" part.

 

[pood]

Heaven is eternal oblivion. Nothing to worry about. Nothing to wait for. Nothing to regret. No pain, no dreams, no fussing, fussing, fretting, no hand wringing, no nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing at all.

Not if NIetzsche’s Eternal Recurrence is true. Then we get to do this fucking shit all over again, again and again for eternity, without any memory of having done it before.

What's the difference?

Einstein's block universe suggests that every part of our life is always there; We don't do it over and over, we are "always" doing all of it.

But it amounts to the same thing in all three cases. One through, repeatedly through, Or not through at all (with going "through" just an illusion caused by present memories at every point), these are all indestinguishable, and knowing which (if any) is "true" does nothing whatsoever to alter the experience or the situation.

That’s true, but what it also means, it seems, is that you are never permanently “out” of existence. Your existence is eternally there, between birth and death. So it seems there would be no eternal peace of the grave.

There's never any ephemeral peace of unconsciousness either though, so we litterally cannot and will not be missing anything.

When I had my wisdom teeth extracted I was under general anaesthesia for over an hour (I was a particularly complex case), and my experience jumped straight from the pre-op room with the anaesthetic being injected, to the recovery room. I didn't experience any period of "peace", and I see no reason to think the experience would have differed for me in any way if I had died during the operation.

Well, that’s quite right; I was using the word “peace” in matephorical sense, meaning to be free of the world’s worries, Deep sleep at night without dreams is like that, but we typically feel on wakening that some time has passed, because deep sleep is interrupted by dreaming.

I started a thread on this some time back, as you know. Nietzsche’s eternal recurrence seems to match up nicely with the block universe. All our temporal parts, the stages of our lives, our thoughts and experiences, are simply “there” — but subjectively we experience them sequentially from moment to moment. So since we can’t get out of subjectivity but we also can’t escape the spacetime fabric, I likened the eternal recurrence to a video game avatar that goes off the right side of the screen but immediately re-émerges on the left and proceeds about its former course. On this account after dying we might expect that what happens next is we once more re-experience the earliest stages of our lives, when memories begin to accrete, with of course no memory of having done any of this before. The eternal recurrence.

 

[WAB]

Heaven is eternal oblivion. Nothing to worry about. Nothing to wait for. Nothing to regret. No pain, no dreams, no fussing, fussing, fretting, no hand wringing, no nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing at all.

Not if NIetzsche’s Eternal Recurrence is true. Then we get to do this fucking shit all over again, again and again for eternity, without any memory of having done it before.

What's the difference?

Einstein's block universe suggests that every part of our life is always there; We don't do it over and over, we are "always" doing all of it.

But it amounts to the same thing in all three cases. One through, repeatedly through, Or not through at all (with going "through" just an illusion caused by present memories at every point), these are all indestinguishable, and knowing which (if any) is "true" does nothing whatsoever to alter the experience or the situation.

That’s true, but what it also means, it seems, is that you are never permanently “out” of existence. Your existence is eternally there, between birth and death. So it seems there would be no eternal peace of the grave.

There's never any ephemeral peace of unconsciousness either though, so we litterally cannot and will not be missing anything.

When I had my wisdom teeth extracted I was under general anaesthesia for over an hour (I was a particularly complex case), and my experience jumped straight from the pre-op room with the anaesthetic being injected, to the recovery room. I didn't experience any period of "peace", and I see no reason to think the experience would have differed for me in any way if I had died during the operation.

Insofar as we feel "peace" in sleep, it is because of the presence of experience - dreams or dreaminess - not its absence.

When I am sufficiently tired, sleep is more like anaesthesia, with no transition at all between dropping off and waking up.

I expect death to be much the same, but wothout the "waking up" part.

That's exactly what I mean. I had two teeth extracted, and I paid extra to be put under. They told me to count backward from 100, and by the time I got to 97 I was in heaven, then instantly nothing, and I was being wakened up. I want that. That exactly. Absolute non consciousness, no nothing, non existence. A trillion trillion years will be as a second - even less, a nothing, a nothing at all. There's nothing to fear from death, or eternity. Nothing. Yay!

 

[ideologyhunter]

Yay? Sounds like the happiness Janis Joplin sought from a heroin needle. Oblivion.
I prefer what Hitchcock said was his definition of happiness: "A clear horizon; nothing to worry about on your plate, only things that are creative and not destructive...The road is clear ahead, and now you're going to create something. I think that's as happy as I would ever want to be."

 

[WAB]

Yay? Sounds like the happiness Janis Joplin sought from a heroin needle. Oblivion.
I prefer what Hitchcock said was his definition of happiness: "A clear horizon; nothing to worry about on your plate, only things that are creative and not destructive...The road is clear ahead, and now you're going to create something. I think that's as happy as I would ever want to be."

Yeah that sounds terriff. I would love that but my life is misery, from one useless day to another. I'm sixty, in poor health, my body hurts, my heart and soul hurt, and every dream I had has been crushed. I want to go. This is too much trouble. It's not worth it. I want out.

 

[pood]

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That's exactly what I mean. I had two teeth extracted, and I paid extra to be put under. They told me to count backward from 100, and by the time I got to 97 I was in heaven, then instantly nothing, and I was being wakened up. I want that. That exactly. Absolute non consciousness, no nothing, non existence. A trillion trillion years will be as a second - even less, a nothing, a nothing at all. There's nothing to fear from death, or eternity. Nothing. Yay!

With an attitude like that, buster, you’re going to burn in hell.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Harps? Bowing to God? Pretending his book makes sense? Jerry Falwell's farts??? Hell would be Club Med.

 

[WAB]

]

That's exactly what I mean. I had two teeth extracted, and I paid extra to be put under. They told me to count backward from 100, and by the time I got to 97 I was in heaven, then instantly nothing, and I was being wakened up. I want that. That exactly. Absolute non consciousness, no nothing, non existence. A trillion trillion years will be as a second - even less, a nothing, a nothing at all. There's nothing to fear from death, or eternity. Nothing. Yay!

With an attitude like that, buster, you’re going to burn in hell.

Burning forever! Imagine. The most painful thing conceivable. Forever. For fucking. Ever? For eternity? For ever and for fucking ever? And people WORSHIP a God who willfully commits sentient beings to such a fate??? And the Calvinists. Forget the fucking everlasting mother cocksucking Calvinists! They believe that God preordained that the majority of humans would suffer in hell, in eternal conscious torment, for ever and ever, and that he decided this before they were even born. There is nothing they can do about it.

Warped sickness, for two thousand years. And humanity can't shake it off.

 

[DBT]

Can two angels be in the same space at the same time?

How many angels can fit in heaven?

How many angels can fit into an SUV?

Imagination has very few limits.

 

[steve_bank]

Anyone still wondering how theology gets started and evolves?

In other news, the DLH Phase 2 rollout has been delayed. A spokesperson for the Yahweh Corporation says 'no comment'.

 

[bilby]

Can two angels be in the same space at the same time?

How many angels can fit in heaven?

How many angels can fit into an SUV?

Imagination has very few limits.

Fewer than you can imagine.

By definition

 

[DBT]

Can two angels be in the same space at the same time?

How many angels can fit in heaven?

How many angels can fit into an SUV?

Imagination has very few limits.

Fewer than you can imagine.

By definition

Imagine that!

 

[pood]

Anyone still wondering how theology gets started and evolves?

In other news, the DLH Phase 2 rollout has been delayed. A spokesperson for the Yahweh Corporation says 'no comment'.

It appears to have been here, with a fatuous disquisition on the biblical view of insects.

 

[steve_bank]

You got me, I'll have to look up disquisition.

 

[pood]

As of now he has opened Phase II with a three-pronged assault of asininity.

 

[unapologetic]

Anyone still wondering how theology gets started and evolves?

In other news, the DLH Phase 2 rollout has been delayed. A spokesperson for the Yahweh Corporation says 'no comment'.

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