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Are we no better than Dogs?


Basically nature says once we are Adults we need to fend for ourselves - ALL Creatures on earth obey this law
Do you actually read what others write?

Again: There are more viruses on earth than stars in the observable universe. All of them are parasites.

There are more bacteria on your your hand than there are people on earth. A great many of them are parasites, although a huge number of them live in symbiosis with humans and other organisms.

You have no idea what you are talking about, and like so many such people, you are willfully ignorant
 
Back in the day, some dogs were used and valued for helping people when hunting. Rat terriers earned their keep back in old times as well. Other dogs were guard dogs. Not all were pampered pets.
 
Back in the day, some dogs were used and valued for helping people when hunting. Rat terriers earned their keep back in old times as well. Other dogs were guard dogs. Not all were pampered pets.
Not just back in the day; there are still working dogs around - sheepdogs, guide dogs, police dogs, drug sniffing dogs, and others.
 
The Dog was just an example of a dependent ... God to be some sort of Sugar Daddy

Having devoted a most rewarding part of my life to serving as dogs' (and other animals') willing "Sugar Daddy", I have point to a stark difference between me and God;
My dogs have always been able to count on me. I deliver, consistently.

Gods get credit from devotees for things that happen to them that the devotees like, but never the blame for shit they don't.

Dog owners get credit and blame in equal measure. They have to WORK (your parlance) for credit, not just pray.
Gods never have any visible causal connections to the things they are credited with having delivered.

Dogs know about, and use to the best of their considerable abilities, ALL the causal relationships operating between their owners and their food, their fun, their fear, their pain - it's ALL down to the owner. None of that sugar coated bullshit. In the wild it's the pack leader.

There's symbiosis with people and pets. God is nothing more than a tool for social control.

That IS the lesson that nature or God has taught us
Who is "us"?
You? My condolences.
 
The dog embraced humans when we were living in caves - we threw them scraps of food, they stayed up nights and warned us of predators - that was how the relationship started.
Are you sure? How do you know this to be true?
You need to study our human history - tell me, do you think the earth was made 6k years ago? Then that would explain your ignorance in these matters
We evolved from ancient ape like creatures living in trees and then down to the ground - we share a lot of DNA with Chimps
 
The dog embraced humans when we were living in caves - we threw them scraps of food, they stayed up nights and warned us of predators - that was how the relationship started.
Are you sure? How do you know this to be true?
You need to study our human history - tell me, do you think the earth was made 6k years ago? Then that would explain your ignorance in these matters
We evolved from ancient ape like creatures living in trees and then down to the ground - we share a lot of DNA with Chimps

I believe Bilby is aware of that fact. :rolleyes:
 
Basically nature says once we are Adults we need to fend for ourselves - ALL Creatures on earth obey this law
Nature says nothing. And there are no laws save those we make for ourselves - unless you count the "laws of physics", which are a rather different kind of law, and which cannot ever be disobeyed; And which don't say anything so specific about biology, ecology, or economics as you are suggesting.
I am talking about life - once an Adult you MUST leave the nest, learn to stand on one's own two feet(lol and no, I am not talking about how many feet we have - oh God, your reply was so innocent and funny), get a job, make a living, fend for ourselves, face the world on our own
That is the story of Adam
Not just us, but ALL creatures on Earth obey these Laws
The concept of Heaven contradicts all the above
The Dog, as a Pet, also contradicts the above
Hence, believers end up as Pets
I don't know how much simpler I can get
But I understand the resistance - here you are all happy & thinking, "I get to go this magic land, enjoy the easy good life
forever and ever! yay!"
And here i come saying your magic land is here on earth as a Dog - what a downer!
 
The point was that Heaven is different - it seems God is some kind of Sugar Daddy keeping billions of lazy moochers, freeloaders in cozy comfort for eternity, which makes no sense!
Heaven is fiction. It doesn't have to make sense, it is whatever its author(s) want it to be.

God is a Sugar Daddy in the exact same way that Lex Luthor is a criminal - if you set out to arrest Mr Luthor, you belong in a secure psychiatric ward.
Billions of people dream of going to Heaven - it is not EARNED, but is GIVEN - Given to the favored
The beg for it down on their knees & it is Given only to those who believe & support this "God
Just like how things get done in Corrupt, Dictator-led countries where those who blindly believe & support the "Dear Loving Master" are rewarded with the good life while the rest suffer
And what does one DO in Heaven? What WORK? If there is work, how much does it pay? Is it enough to live on?
No one knows - no one even asks!
They mention living in mansions - but no one asks - is it all for free? here on earth we struggle to pay rent for a one-bedroom apt,
buy a house, no one Gives us anything, nothing is Free
it seems everyone just assumes God is a nice Sugar Daddy happy to keep billions of freeloaders in cozy comfort for eternity!
Ah, God's Grand Plan!
 
The dog embraced humans when we were living in caves - we threw them scraps of food, they stayed up nights and warned us of predators - that was how the relationship started.
Are you sure? How do you know this to be true?
You need to study our human history
I have; Evidently to rather greater depth than you.
- tell me, do you think the earth was made 6k years ago?
Of course it was; It had been made for about 4,600,000,000 years at that point.
Then that would explain your ignorance in these matters
What ignorance? Did you even read the post you claim to be replying to, or did you stop after the first line?

Which was a question, by the way - one I note you are making exactly no attempt whatsoever to answer.
We evolved from ancient ape like creatures
I know.
living in trees and then down to the ground
Well, maybe. Certainly our more recent ancestors lived on the ground; Whether the more distant ancestors who were more arboreal in their habits are justly described as "ape like" rather than "monkey like" is a matter of opinion, but it seems to be a question well beyond the limits of your current understanding.
- we share a lot of DNA with Chimps
Yes, we do. I am not sure why you felt it was necessary to advise a former molecular biologist of this very simple fact though. How old are you?
 
Basically nature says once we are Adults we need to fend for ourselves - ALL Creatures on earth obey this law
Nature says nothing. And there are no laws save those we make for ourselves - unless you count the "laws of physics", which are a rather different kind of law, and which cannot ever be disobeyed; And which don't say anything so specific about biology, ecology, or economics as you are suggesting.
I am talking about life - once an Adult you MUST leave the nest, learn to stand on one's own two feet(lol and no, I am not talking about how many feet we have - oh God, your reply was so innocent and funny), get a job, make a living, fend for ourselves, face the world on our own
That is the story of Adam
Not just us, but ALL creatures on Earth obey these Laws

No, they do not. The vast, vast majority do not. This has been explained several times to you.
The concept of Heaven contradicts all the above
The Dog, as a Pet, also contradicts the above

No, it does not. This has also been explained to you. :rolleyes: I guess willful ignorance is your thing.
Hence, believers end up as Pets
I don't know how much simpler I can get
But I understand the resistance - here you are all happy & thinking, "I get to go this magic land, enjoy the easy good life
forever and ever! yay!"

Most of us here are atheists.
And here i come saying your magic land is here on earth as a Dog - what a downer!

Your stuff isn’t a downer, it’s amusing.
 
I am talking about life - once an Adult you MUST leave the nest, learn to stand on one's own two feet(lol and no, I am not talking about how many feet we have - oh God, your reply was so innocent and funny), get a job, make a living, fend for ourselves, face the world on our own
Yeah, but why are you talking, when you should be listening? You don't know what any of your audience knows, because you haven't taken the time to find out.

My background and posting history here are extensive; Instead of your increasingly insulting false assumptions about what I think, and what education I have, you could instead have armed yourself with facts.

Simply by browsing my past posts for just a few minutes, you could have avoided looking like a condescending tit, intent on teaching his granny how to suck eggs; And yet, you failed to do that.
That is the story of Adam
So what?
Not just us, but ALL creatures on Earth obey these Laws
I already addressed this error.
The concept of Heaven contradicts all the above
Sure. Again, so what?
The Dog, as a Pet, also contradicts the above
My dog doesn't. I just asked him.
Hence, believers end up as Pets
I don't know how much simpler I can get
Me either. But you certainly excel as a simpleton, so congratulations, I guess.
But I understand the resistance - here you are all happy & thinking, "I get to go this magic land, enjoy the easy good life
forever and ever! yay!"
I am? That's news to me. You could just read my profile and discover how embarrasingly mistaken you are. Though I still suggest you read some of my posting history here, to get more depth.
And here i come saying your magic land is here on earth as a Dog - what a downer!
Not a downer at all - just cringeworthy.

Again, how old are you? I answered your question about my age, how about some reciprocation?
 

Having devoted a most rewarding part of my life to serving as dogs' (and other animals') willing "Sugar Daddy", I have point to a stark difference between me and God;
My dogs have always been able to count on me. I deliver, consistently.

Gods get credit from devotees for things that happen to them that the devotees like, but never the blame for shit they don't.

Dog owners get credit and blame in equal measure. They have to WORK (your parlance) for credit, not just pray.
Gods never have any visible causal connections to the things they are credited with having delivered.

Dogs know about, and use to the best of their considerable abilities, ALL the causal relationships operating between their owners and their food, their fun, their fear, their pain - it's ALL down to the owner. None of that sugar coated bullshit. In the wild it's the pack leader.

There's symbiosis with people and pets. God is nothing more than a tool for social control.

How about if i approach this from a different View - make YOU a dog & see if you like life from THEIR view point
As I stated before the relationship started with the dog taking scraps from us and becoming our guard at night
Even today - I grew up in India - and we have lots of Feral Dogs - Dogs that live in the streets - basically they stick to one
street - the people living in these houses throw away food and the dogs fight over them
In a lot of cases, the people will feed these dogs & so the Dogs stay awake at night and warn of any unwelcome intruders
These are not pets - they are not given any names - they are basically a step below the truly wild dogs of Africa and Australia
.
Now let's picture you becoming a guard for an alien life form and his family - that was the job you applied for
Given a "salary" with which you buy food, sustain yourself
But one fine day the Alien says, you no longer have to do guard duty, you can if you like, because it is in your nature,
but it is no longer necessary - the alien has decide to make you his pet - you get to live in his huge mansion!
Free food! And since the alien is out most of the day, you get to sleep all day! No work, no worries!
And when the alien comes home, you get to play - fun, fun, fun - how wonderful!
.
Now the downside - the food is free but it is the SAME food everyday - "chicken" every day - both morning and night or 3 times a day!
You cannot go anytime you want unless the alien has a yard and there is a dog door for you
Once or twice a day, the alien will put a leash on you and take you out and you get to do your business
You better be ready to go then, if you can't and then soil the carpet inside the mansion, your alien master will get very angry with you!
Esp hard as we age, we have to go more often, but we must not anger our master, so we hold it, we have no choice
.
You are not allowed to socialize with your own kind
And even if you do, it is at the alien's pleasure - a dog park where you get to meet and chat with your friends - but whenever
the alien decides it is time, you need to go!
No such thing as falling in love, sex is controlled - you are taken to see a lady(assuming you are a man) and expected to perform
the deed! No such thing as being attracted to a certain lady - here she is, ugly, beautiful - whatever, you don't get to have an opinion
10-15 min and then it is bye-bye
So maybe sex once in a blue-moon
And if you are male, you may never know that you have had kids
If you are female, you don't get to enjoy the pleasures of motherhood for long, within a few days, all your babies will
be taken away from you & you find yourself all alone!
You are not allowed a family - you know, like what the alien has - father, mother, children, grandparents!
All the joys of family life - birthdays, graduations, other celebrations - are THEIRS, not yours
you are allowed to participate sometimes but you have no clue what is going on
.
All these joys of family life is there for your wild cousins!
THEY get to have what the alien has - falling in love with the right one, starting a family, fending for them, bringing them up!
Sex anytime they want
Go anytime they want, anywhere
Eat food that is EARNED! Not given nor begged for!
.
There is more - I bet you have never given a thought to what will happen to your dogs if you suddenly pass on
An accident, illness - whatever
The new owners may not be so kind - they can illtreat you, beat & abuse you at will - and a lot of Dogs endure this -
And there is nothing you can do about it because you can't communicate your distress to these aliens
Finally you may find yourself dumped into a shelter - your life is a small 2X4 cage!
Have you ever lived all day and months, years in a small cage, Mr. Elixir?
Maybe you should try it - see how wonderful it is!
But shelters can keep Dogs for only so long
And so one fine day these aliens decide you have lived long enough & you get to say bye-bye world
 
Basically nature says once we are Adults we need to fend for ourselves - ALL Creatures on earth obey this law
Nature says nothing. And there are no laws save those we make for ourselves - unless you count the "laws of physics", which are a rather different kind of law, and which cannot ever be disobeyed; And which don't say anything so specific about biology, ecology, or economics as you are suggesting.
I am talking about life - once an Adult you MUST leave the nest, learn to stand on one's own two feet(lol and no, I am not talking about how many feet we have - oh God, your reply was so innocent and funny), get a job, make a living, fend for ourselves, face the world on our own
That is the story of Adam
Not just us, but ALL creatures on Earth obey these Laws

No, they do not. The vast, vast majority do not. This has been explained several times to you.
I am sorry who does not? The vast majority do not EARN a living? Stand on their own two feet?
The vast majority are parasites?
 
And here i come saying your magic land is here on earth as a Dog - what a downer!
Not a downer at all - just cringeworthy.

Again, how old are you? I answered your question about my age, how about some reciprocation?
I am 67
At some point one has to give up right? Brainwashed people drooling over cheap easy promises - i am not able to breakthru
So many fell for Madoff's cheap promises - double your money in no time! yay! And they ended up regretting it
But they should have known, God, thru life, or nature has taught us that nothing in life is free, given nor easy
Heaven is GIVEN to the favored, life is Easy, everything is Free!
Any educated or intelligent person with a clear mind can realize that Heaven is nothing but a fantasy, it is not real
But greed, greed, greed it seems has blinded so many
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What I am saying is that God is not cruel - people want such a life!
Damsels in distress looking for a savior - "get us out of this harsh life where we have to WORK! EARN a living!
We want to be freeloaders, dependents, KEPT like prostitutes, gigolos, yes-men, sycophants, cronies are Kept by their Sugar Daddies"
But God is no Sugar Daddy
And so he will do his best to give them the life they chose of their OWN FREE WILL!
The dog is just one example - could be a cat, a pig, sheep, tick, mosquito and maybe even a virus!
.
Have you ever watched the Twilight Zone?
Dreams do come true but there is a price to pay for foolishness
 
I am sorry who does not? The vast majority do not EARN a living? Stand on their own two feet?
The vast majority are parasites?

Yes, the vast, vast, VAST majority are PARASITES. You would know this if you actually read and tried to understand what other people write. I have explained this to you at least twice.
 
The dog embraced humans when we were living in caves - we threw them scraps of food, they stayed up nights and warned us of predators - that was how the relationship started.
Are you sure? How do you know this to be true?
You need to study our human history - tell me, do you think the earth was made 6k years ago? Then that would explain your ignorance in these matters
We evolved from ancient ape like creatures living in trees and then down to the ground - we share a lot of DNA with Chimps

I believe Bilby is aware of that fact. :rolleyes:
This is the guy who, when I wrote that one must learn to stand on one's own two feet, wrote that spiders or ants have 6 legs!
Hilllarious! I can't stop laughing!
He seems too innocent to be true
 

Yes, the vast, vast, VAST majority are PARASITES. You would know this if you actually read and tried to understand what other people write. I have explained this to you at least twice.
And we are not
When I think of Heaven which is GIVEN, not EARNED
No one talks of any work being done, everything is free
All I am seeing are parasites, freeloaders thinking they get to sit and sponge off God
But that is not us - let's say us, and other creatures on this planet, the higher forms of life, with parasites being the lowest
So Hinduism talks of lower and higher beings
As we see, the virus, a brainless entity, and the bugs, again more a brainless entity - but now needing to work for food, though
We do have ticks, mosquitoes that are still parasites
Then Trees
And then animals, birds - in the wild they have to fend for themselves
And of course us
And so Hinduism says, we can move higher or you guessed it - Lower!
The higher we go, life will become more and more tough
The Lower we go, life will become easier
The quick way to end all pain & suffering is to not have a brain and then bingo, no more pain or suffering!
Christians and Muslims are choosing to go lower where life is easy
Being a parasite - life will be easy
The Dog was just one example - as you mentioned they can go lower
 
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