Climate Change(d)?

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes. They hope to profit from climate change, but they aren't ignorant regarding the problem.

Baffling why so many people think that climate doesn’t change.

The climate was mathematically hypothesized to change 40 years ago due to CO2 emissions. Those predictions generally line up with observations 40 years later.

TSwizzle, for the 30th time, repeats that the climate is expected to change. Yet, has nothing to discuss regarding the scientists that successfully predicted said numerical change decades ago.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yes. They hope to profit from climate change, but they aren't ignorant regarding the problem.

Baffling why so many people think that climate doesn’t change.

The climate was mathematically hypothesized to change 40 years ago due to CO2 emissions. Those predictions generally line up with observations 40 years later.

TSwizzle, for the 30th time, repeats that the climate is expected to change. Yet, has nothing to discuss regarding the scientists that successfully predicted said numerical change decades ago.

And note that in the scientific world that's the highest test. Make predictions that come true, people will listen. Make predictions that are found to be false and people don't listen. What has the reich wing gotten right in the sciences?

 

[Elixir]

What has the reich wing gotten right in the sciences?

The aliens built the pyramids, George Soros is paying protesters, Hunter’s laptop decoded … lotsa stuff.

Oh yeah - and Intelligent DEE zyne wid its eerydeucible corn plexity what proves evolution is wrong.

 

[TSwizzle]

Yes. They hope to profit from climate change, but they aren't ignorant regarding the problem.

Baffling why so many people think that climate doesn’t change.

The climate was mathematically hypothesized to change 40 years ago due to CO2 emissions. Those predictions generally line up with observations 40 years later.

Isn't it more like 50 years ago? Anyway, not really. There has been an imperceptible rise in average global temperature. Earth's climate has warmed and cooled in cycles, they couldn't not be right eventually about temperature rising.

It really is an end of times, rapture like cult.

 

[Elixir]

There has been an imperceptible rise in average global temperature

Ya sure. It takes thousands of years!
Oh, wait - that’s how it WAS for millions of years. But in the last 60 years …

• Melting Ice and Glaciers: Glaciers and polar ice sheets are shrinking, with Arctic sea ice rapidly declining. This contributes to rising sea levels and disrupts ecosystems.
• Rising Sea Levels: Global sea levels have risen significantly due to melting ice and thermal expansion of warming oceans, threatening coastal areas and island nations.
• Extreme Weather Events: Heatwaves, droughts, wildfires, and intense storms are becoming more frequent and severe due to higher temperatures.
• Ocean Changes: Oceans are warming, leading to coral bleaching, disrupted marine ecosystems, and increased storm intensity.
• Shifting Ecosystems: Plant and animal habitats are changing, with species migrating to cooler areas. Growing seasons are lengthening in some regions

But imperceptible to people in Santa Monica.

 

[bilby]

Malaria is caused by an imperceptible parasite, carried by a tiny and easily killed insect. Is it therefore:

a) A trivial non-issue that people shouldn't worry about; or

b) The cause of death of almost half of the humans who have ever lived, deserving of a massive international effort to minimise its future impact on our species?

Pick one.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yes. They hope to profit from climate change, but they aren't ignorant regarding the problem.

Baffling why so many people think that climate doesn’t change.

The climate was mathematically hypothesized to change 40 years ago due to CO2 emissions. Those predictions generally line up with observations 40 years later.

Isn't it more like 50 years ago? Anyway, not really. There has been an imperceptible rise in average global temperature. Earth's climate has warmed and cooled in cycles, they couldn't not be right eventually about temperature rising.

It really is an end of times, rapture like cult.

Imperceptible to feel--but it's been enough to be very obvious in gardening. Planting dates are way off. I know people in the warmer part of the city have had big issues with not meeting chilling requirements on their fruit. (The tree does fine--but if it doesn't get enough chilling you're not going to be eating much.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

• Melting Ice and Glaciers: Glaciers and polar ice sheets are shrinking, with Arctic sea ice rapidly declining. This contributes to rising sea levels and disrupts ecosystems.

Yeah, that's another one. In 1982 I was on Mt. Kilimanjaro (failed to summit due to time. It's a walk-up mountain, the only challenge is the altitude and if you're not prepared for it, the cold.) ~2000 The Amazing Race showed it in the background--huh, where's the mountain? Without it's ice I didn't recognize it. When I was there we were on ice from about 16,000' on, now you generally can reach the summit without encountering any.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes. They hope to profit from climate change, but they aren't ignorant regarding the problem.

Baffling why so many people think that climate doesn’t change.

The climate was mathematically hypothesized to change 40 years ago due to CO2 emissions. Those predictions generally line up with observations 40 years later.

Isn't it more like 50 years ago? Anyway, not really. There has been an imperceptible rise in average global temperature.

That statement has no quantifiable meaning. The scientists made predictions, the predictions have been right up to now. Their predictions indicated a quantity of increase and the impact.

At this point, the numbers are about right, and their prediction on impact was about right, slightly noticeable on a large scale. What is funny is that a kid watching Twister today would be curious why the movie takes place so far west of where the tornados are these days.

The concept isn't complex. More CO2 in the atmosphere means more heat retention. We've dumped huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere faster than the environment can absorb it for 150 or so years. If we continue to dump more CO2 into the atmosphere, what is the basis for the Earth cooling?

 

[southernhybrid]

Yes. They hope to profit from climate change, but they aren't ignorant regarding the problem.

Baffling why so many people think that climate doesn’t change.

The climate was mathematically hypothesized to change 40 years ago due to CO2 emissions. Those predictions generally line up with observations 40 years later.

Isn't it more like 50 years ago? Anyway, not really. There has been an imperceptible rise in average global temperature.

That statement has no quantifiable meaning. The scientists made predictions, the predictions have been right up to now. Their predictions indicated a quantity of increase and the impact.

At this point, the numbers are about right, and their prediction on impact was about right, slightly noticeable on a large scale. What is funny is that a kid watching Twister today would be curious why the movie takes place so far west of where the tornados are these days.

The concept isn't complex. More CO2 in the atmosphere means more heat retention. We've dumped huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere faster than the environment can absorb it for 150 or so years. If we continue to dump more CO2 into the atmosphere, what is the basis for the Earth cooling?

I agree with what you said, but it's actually been a bit worse than the predictions, so it's happening even faster than originally expected. Considering who is in office right now, the chances of reducing the impact of carbon and methane is zero. In fact, it's likely that the felon's policies will speed up climate change.

The problem is that some people either don't understand science or "people believe what they want to believe and disregard the rest".

My idiot bro in law once told us, "I can't believe in climate change because I have grandchildren" I guess that helps him not feel guilty about all his travel by plane and driving a gas guzzling SUV.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes. They hope to profit from climate change, but they aren't ignorant regarding the problem.

Baffling why so many people think that climate doesn’t change.

The climate was mathematically hypothesized to change 40 years ago due to CO2 emissions. Those predictions generally line up with observations 40 years later.

Isn't it more like 50 years ago? Anyway, not really. There has been an imperceptible rise in average global temperature.

That statement has no quantifiable meaning. The scientists made predictions, the predictions have been right up to now. Their predictions indicated a quantity of increase and the impact.

At this point, the numbers are about right, and their prediction on impact was about right, slightly noticeable on a large scale. What is funny is that a kid watching Twister today would be curious why the movie takes place so far west of where the tornados are these days.

The concept isn't complex. More CO2 in the atmosphere means more heat retention. We've dumped huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere faster than the environment can absorb it for 150 or so years. If we continue to dump more CO2 into the atmosphere, what is the basis for the Earth cooling?

I agree with what you said, but it's actually been a bit worse than the predictions, so it's happening even faster than originally expected.

We are talking impacts as far as large scale.

When it is impacting agricultural processes broadly, that is bad. We are observing shifts at the moment. USDA growing zones are definitely shifting. Weather patterns are adjusting and the temperatures rising in spite of la Nina, el Nino is troublesome. But it isn't causing mass migration. It isn't killing our grain production.

Pretty much we are the frog in the water pot on the stove, and we are noticing it is getting hotter than comfortable.

Considering who is in office right now, the chances of reducing the impact of carbon and methane is zero. In fact, it's likely that the felon's policies will speed up climate change.

This is doubtful. The issue we have in that the CO2 in the atmosphere is cumulative. We are talking a century and half of dumping CO2 into the atmosphere. We could stop putting any excess CO2 in the atmosphere today and it will likely continue to warm for a while.

The problem is that some people either don't understand science or "people believe what they want to believe and disregard the rest".

My idiot bro in law once told us, "I can't believe in climate change because I have grandchildren" I guess that helps him not feel guilty about all his travel by plane and driving a gas guzzling SUV.

Climate change is simply chemistry and thermodynamics... stuff most people know little to nothing about... except for their "common sense". Sadly, their common sense becomes "wisdom" in their mind and they make irrational statements about climate change being a cult and not about energy transfer on a large quasi-closed systems of gases.

 

[southernhybrid]

Yes. They hope to profit from climate change, but they aren't ignorant regarding the problem.

Baffling why so many people think that climate doesn’t change.

The climate was mathematically hypothesized to change 40 years ago due to CO2 emissions. Those predictions generally line up with observations 40 years later.

Isn't it more like 50 years ago? Anyway, not really. There has been an imperceptible rise in average global temperature.

That statement has no quantifiable meaning. The scientists made predictions, the predictions have been right up to now. Their predictions indicated a quantity of increase and the impact.

At this point, the numbers are about right, and their prediction on impact was about right, slightly noticeable on a large scale. What is funny is that a kid watching Twister today would be curious why the movie takes place so far west of where the tornados are these days.

The concept isn't complex. More CO2 in the atmosphere means more heat retention. We've dumped huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere faster than the environment can absorb it for 150 or so years. If we continue to dump more CO2 into the atmosphere, what is the basis for the Earth cooling?

I agree with what you said, but it's actually been a bit worse than the predictions, so it's happening even faster than originally expected.

We are talking impacts as far as large scale.

When it is impacting agricultural processes broadly, that is bad. We are observing shifts at the moment. USDA growing zones are definitely shifting. Weather patterns are adjusting and the temperatures rising in spite of la Nina, el Nino is troublesome. But it isn't causing mass migration. It isn't killing our grain production.

Pretty much we are the frog in the water pot on the stove, and we are noticing it is getting hotter than comfortable.

Considering who is in office right now, the chances of reducing the impact of carbon and methane is zero. In fact, it's likely that the felon's policies will speed up climate change.

This is doubtful. The issue we have in that the CO2 in the atmosphere is cumulative. We are talking a century and half of dumping CO2 into the atmosphere. We could stop putting any excess CO2 in the atmosphere today and it will likely continue to warm for a while.

The problem is that some people either don't understand science or "people believe what they want to believe and disregard the rest".

My idiot bro in law once told us, "I can't believe in climate change because I have grandchildren" I guess that helps him not feel guilty about all his travel by plane and driving a gas guzzling SUV.

Climate change is simply chemistry and thermodynamics... stuff most people know little to nothing about... except for their "common sense". Sadly, their common sense becomes "wisdom" in their mind and they make irrational statements about climate change being a cult and not about energy transfer on a large quasi-closed systems of gases.

I agree, but what I really don't understand is why so many highly educated people, like my bro in law, are in denial. I remember when he was in dental school. He had to take an enormous amount of science courses. I guess he forgot all that stuff or simply doesn't want to accept the truth.

But, you really don't have to understand that much science to understand climate change. it's becoming more obvious by the year that the climate is changing very rapidly. Floods, tornadoes, wildfires due to droughts etc. I went to a lecture about 20 years ago given by a professor of geology. He had a lot of detailed graphs that showed the gradual increase in temperatures starting around the beginning of the industrial revolution and the invention of the car. It was very simple to understand. He did a great job of presenting the evidence.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Because there are different types of intelligence. Partisanship can make smart people unreceptive to information. It is confusing how energy exchange can become partisan, but the oil companies spent a lot of money convincing people things were fine (and plastics were totally recyclable). And since Reagan, the right-wing in politics, radio, and cable have been pushing this nonsense that thermodynamics and chemistry are biased. Social media then made things even worse.

 

[TSwizzle]

The concept isn't complex. More CO2 in the atmosphere means more heat retention. We've dumped huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere faster than the environment can absorb it for 150 or so years. If we continue to dump more CO2 into the atmosphere, what is the basis for the Earth cooling?

This obsession with CO2 needs to stop.

 

[Elixir]

Because there are different types of intelligence. Partisanship can make smart people unreceptive to information. It is confusing how energy exchange can become partisan, but the oil companies spent a lot of money convincing people things were fine (and plastics were totally recyclable). And since Reagan, the right-wing in politics, radio, and cable have been pushing this nonsense that thermodynamics and chemistry are biased. Social media then made things even worse.

The persistent myth that reality’s leftist bias needs to be overcompensated with anti-science nonsense, will probably ensure the success of the ascendant authoritarian model of government.
There are a lot of smart and empathic individuals among us. But as a collective we are a hard-hearted, delusional half-wit.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The concept isn't complex. More CO2 in the atmosphere means more heat retention. We've dumped huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere faster than the environment can absorb it for 150 or so years. If we continue to dump more CO2 into the atmosphere, what is the basis for the Earth cooling?

This obsession with CO2 needs to stop.

If leaking refrigerants can mess with the Ozone Layer in the atmosphere, why is it so hard for you to grasp that belching CO2 into the atmosphere for over a century can have impacts as well?

It was hypothesized in the 19th century, predicted mathematically in the 20th century, observed and confirmed in the 21st century.

Calling it and people names doesn't change any of that. Just makes you a naysayer like all the others in the past that struggled with accepting the truth.

The sun outputs X joules of energy a year. The amount retaining on Earth is based on the refleftivity of the surface and gas composition of our atmosphere. No impact at all from namecalling.

 

[TSwizzle]

There is nothing unusual going on with the climate. The claims of "unprecedented extreme weather events" is male bovine excrement put out by political hacks and climate activists like just stop oil and a few on here. These "unprecedented extreme weather events" are indeed precedented. CO2 does not control the earth's climate. It is a trace gas in the atmosphere that has very little impact on climate. Earth's climate is variable and chaotic.

It really is a religion for you people. You even have a deity for it, CO2.

 

[Swammerdami]

Baffling why so many people think that climate doesn’t change.

What is baffling is the way you repeatedly make this same FALSE claim with no evidence. Are your fans, if any, like Trump's fans? Lies are part of the appeal, the more blatant the better?

There has been an imperceptible rise in average global temperature.

In this context what does "imperceptible" mean? Average global temperature is up 2.8°F since 1965; is that "imperceptible"? If my child's forehead temperature is normally 98.5°, but it rises to 101.3° I will know about the rise immediately upon a simple touch: I won't need to check with a thermometer. I will often be well aware of a change in ambient room temperature of that magnitude. Calling such a change "imperceptible" shows severe confusion. Average August sea surface temperature in the North Atlantic has risen that much over a much shorter period; this has a significant effect on storm formation. -- Did you even know that much?

Phoenix, Arizona had fifty-seven days above 111°F in 2023. Do you think residents of Phoenix found this unusual heat "imperceptible"?

Earth's climate has warmed and cooled in cycles ...

CORRECT!
I have to wonder though, which "cycles" are you speaking of? The day-night cycle? The summer-winter cycle? Does your knowledge of climate go behind these cycles known to man in the Early Stone Age?

It really is an end of times, rapture like cult.

You couldn't think of a way to work "Brandon" into your cutesy meme?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There is nothing unusual going on with the climate. The claims of "unprecedented extreme weather events" is male bovine excrement put out by political hacks and climate activists like just stop oil and a few on here. These "unprecedented extreme weather events" are indeed precedented. CO2 does not control the earth's climate. It is a trace gas in the atmosphere that has very little impact on climate.

There is a bit of truth and fiction here. CO2 isn't a major component of the atmosphere. CO2 isn't a primary driver of the climate. That is why it has taken a lot of it to shift the temperature higher. Which it has done in a mathematically predictable and proven way.

Earth's climate is variable and chaotic.

You keep repeating this, but we haven't observed "chaotic". We've seen a trend.

It really is a religion for you people. You even have a deity for it, CO2.

Religion doesn't have math to back it up. You are on the dogma side of this disagreement.

 

[TSwizzle]

In this context what does "imperceptible" mean?

It means the change in temperature is so slight to be not noticeable.