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April 20th and the Insurrection Act

There’s a lot of talk about whether Trump will declare Martial Law on April 20th. But unfortunately there’s been a lot of hype and little serious analysis about what will happen. First Trump will not declare martial law on April 20th, but that doesn’t mean it’s any less serious of an issue. April 20th is the date Trump set by executive order for a report on whether to invoke the insurrection act to protect the United States from illegal alien invasion. The report will make recommendations on the use of military assets to both secure the border and round up undocumented immigrants.

If I were a betting man, the report will recommend using the military to secure the border, but not to conduct round ups of immigrants - at least not yet. This isn’t because I think Trump is some great guy (on the contrary), but I do believe he realizes he cannot go too fast. This is a first step. And it is a dangerous one, designed to lull us into complacency. They will pooh-pooh anyone who objects. How dare you oppose securing our national borders! It’s about time someone did this!

The next step will be to use them in support of ICE raids, and then they will expand it to simply using them to go after immigrants. All of this will be justified as protecting the border from illegal invasion. But in reality it’s all a drill for the real purpose. The obvious next step is to use them against American who protest their illegal actions. He’ll justify it as restoring order to our cities.

And what is the next step? Why ensuring the integrity of our electoral process of course! Who could be against that? And that is how we lose our democracy folks.
 
SLD said:
If I were a betting man, the report will recommend using the military to secure the border, ...
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Without speaking to any of your other estimations, you would have won that bet.

From the day after you made your thread:

Trump authorizes military to take control of federal land along US southern border​

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Migrants who cross in this area would be put into “holding” for trespassing onto a military property, CNN previously reported, until the Department of Homeland Security could arrive to pick them up and deport them — putting the military in the position of effectively detaining migrants, something that is traditionally a law enforcement function. The military is prohibited from carrying out domestic law enforcement under the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, but by describing the zone as a “holding” area, DoD could feasibly circumvent that law.

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Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
SLD said:
If I were a betting man, the report will recommend using the military to secure the border, ...
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Without speaking to any of your other estimations, you would have won that bet.

From the day after you made your thread:

Trump authorizes military to take control of federal land along US southern border​

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Migrants who cross in this area would be put into “holding” for trespassing onto a military property, CNN previously reported, until the Department of Homeland Security could arrive to pick them up and deport them — putting the military in the position of effectively detaining migrants, something that is traditionally a law enforcement function. The military is prohibited from carrying out domestic law enforcement under the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, but by describing the zone as a “holding” area, DoD could feasibly circumvent that law.

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"We don't need no goddamed posse of commies tellin' us what to do!"
 
April 20th (aka 4:20) is practically a state holiday here in California:

Here’s the Real Reason We Associate 420 With Weed

Over the past two decades, 24 states plus the District of Columbia and Guam have legalized marijuana for recreational use. That means marijuana smokers can smoke more openly than ever before on 4/20—a date that both marijuana smokers and non-smokers recognize as a national holiday for cannabis culture. Yet few actually know how the date got chosen.

Some say “420” is code among police officers for “marijuana smoking in progress.” Some note 4/20 is also Adolf Hitler’s birthday. And some go as far as to cite Bob Dylan’s song “Rainy Day Women #12 & 35” because 12 multiplied by 35 equals 420.


But, to put it bluntly, those rumors of the history behind how April 20, and 4/20, got associated with marijuana are false.

The most credible story traces 4/20 to Marin County, Calif. In 1971, five students at San Rafael High School would meet at 4:20 p.m. by the campus’ statue of chemist Louis Pasteur to partake. They chose that specific time because extracurricular activities had usually ended by then. This group — Steve Capper, Dave Reddix, Jeffrey Noel, Larry Schwartz, and Mark Gravich — became known as the “Waldos” because they met at a wall. They would say “420” to each other as code for marijuana.
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That's the high school my dad and his three brothers went to (a long time ago).
 
thebeave said:
April 20th (aka 4:20) is practically a state holiday here in California:

Here’s the Real Reason We Associate 420 With Weed

Over the past two decades, 24 states plus the District of Columbia and Guam have legalized marijuana for recreational use. That means marijuana smokers can smoke more openly than ever before on 4/20—a date that both marijuana smokers and non-smokers recognize as a national holiday for cannabis culture. Yet few actually know how the date got chosen.

Some say “420” is code among police officers for “marijuana smoking in progress.” Some note 4/20 is also Adolf Hitler’s birthday. And some go as far as to cite Bob Dylan’s song “Rainy Day Women #12 & 35” because 12 multiplied by 35 equals 420.


But, to put it bluntly, those rumors of the history behind how April 20, and 4/20, got associated with marijuana are false.

The most credible story traces 4/20 to Marin County, Calif. In 1971, five students at San Rafael High School would meet at 4:20 p.m. by the campus’ statue of chemist Louis Pasteur to partake. They chose that specific time because extracurricular activities had usually ended by then. This group — Steve Capper, Dave Reddix, Jeffrey Noel, Larry Schwartz, and Mark Gravich — became known as the “Waldos” because they met at a wall. They would say “420” to each other as code for marijuana.
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That's the high school my dad and his three brothers went to (a long time ago).
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I had heard it was the date of the first Earth Day.
 
ZiprHead said:
thebeave said:
April 20th (aka 4:20) is practically a state holiday here in California:

Here’s the Real Reason We Associate 420 With Weed

Over the past two decades, 24 states plus the District of Columbia and Guam have legalized marijuana for recreational use. That means marijuana smokers can smoke more openly than ever before on 4/20—a date that both marijuana smokers and non-smokers recognize as a national holiday for cannabis culture. Yet few actually know how the date got chosen.

Some say “420” is code among police officers for “marijuana smoking in progress.” Some note 4/20 is also Adolf Hitler’s birthday. And some go as far as to cite Bob Dylan’s song “Rainy Day Women #12 & 35” because 12 multiplied by 35 equals 420.


But, to put it bluntly, those rumors of the history behind how April 20, and 4/20, got associated with marijuana are false.

The most credible story traces 4/20 to Marin County, Calif. In 1971, five students at San Rafael High School would meet at 4:20 p.m. by the campus’ statue of chemist Louis Pasteur to partake. They chose that specific time because extracurricular activities had usually ended by then. This group — Steve Capper, Dave Reddix, Jeffrey Noel, Larry Schwartz, and Mark Gravich — became known as the “Waldos” because they met at a wall. They would say “420” to each other as code for marijuana.
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That's the high school my dad and his three brothers went to (a long time ago).
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I had heard it was the date of the first Earth Day.
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Earth Day is April 22, not 20. Its on the first sentence of your link.

Sounds like someone got a headstart on the pot smoking already... ;)
 
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Over the past two decades, 24 states plus the District of Columbia and Guam have legalized marijuana for recreational use.
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Yet, bizarrely, the US Federal prohibition - which is overridden by the laws of those states and territories - dictates, via treaty obligations, that nations other than the US (and a tiny number of non-signatories such as Chad) cannot legalise marijuana. So the state of California can legalise weed against the wishes of the US Federal Government; But Australia cannot, because our laws are dictated by the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs (1961), which the US Federal Government will not agree to amend.

Australia in particular is highly dependent upon compliance with the Single Convention, because we have a sizable (legal) opium poppy industry - most of the world's legal opiates are sourced from Tasmanian poppy growers. That industry would be required to be embargoed by the other 185 signatories (including the USA), if the Commonwealth of Australia were to break the rules by legalising marijuana; And the text of the Single Convention specifically mentions marijuana, so it cannot be easily legalised internationally, by a simple adjustment of the Schedule in which that drug appears.

Thus the US War on Drugs prohibits Australians, but not Californians, from lawfully smoking weed.

It's an horrific law, but (intentionally) very hard to repeal or work around, particularly for any nation with a large lawful pharmaceutical industry.

The Netherlands (for example) solve this by not being a significant producer of lawful narcotics - they don't care if they can't export stuff they don't even produce.
 
I typically dismiss conspiracy theories from either side, but this made me pause....we had demonstrations across the country with impressive turnouts. We has several of them here in Kansas City. Then there is this conspiracy theory which happened to coincide with low flying military helicopters conducting "urban combat" training.

 
bilby said:
Yet, bizarrely, the US Federal prohibition - which is overridden by the laws of those states and territories - dictates, via treaty obligations, that nations other than the US (and a tiny number of non-signatories such as Chad) cannot legalise marijuana. So the state of California can legalise weed against the wishes of the US Federal Government; But Australia cannot, because our laws are dictated by the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs (1961), which the US Federal Government will not agree to amend.
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The Feds could stop marijuana sales in the US at any time. They just don't bother.

I suspect it would be the same if Australia legalized.
 
bilby said:
Over the past two decades, 24 states plus the District of Columbia and Guam have legalized marijuana for recreational use.
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Yet, bizarrely, the US Federal prohibition - which is overridden by the laws of those states and territories - dictates, via treaty obligations, that nations other than the US (and a tiny number of non-signatories such as Chad) cannot legalise marijuana. So the state of California can legalise weed against the wishes of the US Federal Government; But Australia cannot, because our laws are dictated by the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs (1961), which the US Federal Government will not agree to amend.

Australia in particular is highly dependent upon compliance with the Single Convention, because we have a sizable (legal) opium poppy industry - most of the world's legal opiates are sourced from Tasmanian poppy growers. That industry would be required to be embargoed by the other 185 signatories (including the USA), if the Commonwealth of Australia were to break the rules by legalising marijuana; And the text of the Single Convention specifically mentions marijuana, so it cannot be easily legalised internationally, by a simple adjustment of the Schedule in which that drug appears.

Thus the US War on Drugs prohibits Australians, but not Californians, from lawfully smoking weed.

It's an horrific law, but (intentionally) very hard to repeal or work around, particularly for any nation with a large lawful pharmaceutical industry.

The Netherlands (for example) solve this by not being a significant producer of lawful narcotics - they don't care if they can't export stuff they don't even produce.
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That’s messed up.
 
thebeave said:
ZiprHead said:
thebeave said:
April 20th (aka 4:20) is practically a state holiday here in California:

Here’s the Real Reason We Associate 420 With Weed

Over the past two decades, 24 states plus the District of Columbia and Guam have legalized marijuana for recreational use. That means marijuana smokers can smoke more openly than ever before on 4/20—a date that both marijuana smokers and non-smokers recognize as a national holiday for cannabis culture. Yet few actually know how the date got chosen.

Some say “420” is code among police officers for “marijuana smoking in progress.” Some note 4/20 is also Adolf Hitler’s birthday. And some go as far as to cite Bob Dylan’s song “Rainy Day Women #12 & 35” because 12 multiplied by 35 equals 420.


But, to put it bluntly, those rumors of the history behind how April 20, and 4/20, got associated with marijuana are false.

The most credible story traces 4/20 to Marin County, Calif. In 1971, five students at San Rafael High School would meet at 4:20 p.m. by the campus’ statue of chemist Louis Pasteur to partake. They chose that specific time because extracurricular activities had usually ended by then. This group — Steve Capper, Dave Reddix, Jeffrey Noel, Larry Schwartz, and Mark Gravich — became known as the “Waldos” because they met at a wall. They would say “420” to each other as code for marijuana.
Click to expand...

That's the high school my dad and his three brothers went to (a long time ago).
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I had heard it was the date of the first Earth Day.
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Earth Day is April 22, not 20. Its on the first sentence of your link.

Sounds like someone got a headstart on the pot smoking already... ;)
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I said I heard it. I didn't say I believed it. :p
 
Trump isn't a fan of marijuana, more like cocaine.
 
ideologyhunter said:
Rule of thumb: if you see splotches of white powder around Trump's snout and muzzle, he's been to Dunkin and bought himself a dozen.
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He doesn’t go to chain stores for food. Last time he did that they dressed him up as a clown and took pictures.
 
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