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Do you think any aliens exist in the universe?

So while we don’t have hard evidence yet, it’s not a stretch to believe we’re not alone.
I don’t believe either way, really. I think it is extremely unlikely that we will ever encounter extraterrestrial humanoids from elsewhere in the solar system, and even less likely to encounter them from elsewhere in the galaxy. The chances that we’ll meet some from another galaxy are microscopic. So in that sense I “believe” we are alone.
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The chances that they exist/have existed elsewhere in the observable universe, I’d round up to 1:1.
I hope they’re doing better than we are right now, if they’re still extant.
 
I think it is extremely unlikely that we will ever encounter extraterrestrial humanoids
Sure. But most intelligent life here on Earth isn't humanoid.

Our chances of meeting intelligent extraterrestrial squidoids or octopoids seems rather higher.

We haven't even scratched the surface of Europa yet, so it would be premature to jump to any conclusions.
 
I don’t believe either way, really. I think it is extremely unlikely that we will ever encounter extraterrestrial humanoids from elsewhere in the solar system, and even less likely to encounter them from elsewhere in the galaxy. The chances that we’ll meet some from another galaxy are microscopic. So in that sense I “believe” we are alone.
OTOH ,
The chances that they exist/have existed elsewhere in the observable universe, I’d round up to 1:1.
I hope they’re doing better than we are right now, if they’re still extant.

Totally fair take—and honestly, I think a lot of people land somewhere around where you are. The odds of actually encountering intelligent life—especially from within our solar system or even the galaxy—do seem vanishingly small. Between the distances, the time scales, and the limits of our technology, it’s hard to imagine any kind of meaningful contact happening anytime soon. So yeah, in the practical sense, we might as well be alone.

But like you, I also lean toward thinking that life existing somewhere in the observable universe is basically a given. Just statistically, with so many planets and stars out there, it feels almost inevitable that life has emerged at least a few times. Whether it’s still around—or ever got far enough to build anything resembling civilization—is another question entirely.

And yeah, I hope they’re doing better too. If there’s anyone else out there, maybe they’ve already figured out a way to not destroy their planet—or each other. Would be nice to know that kind of outcome is possible somewhere, even if we never see it.

NHC
 
The universe is just too big and too full of possibilities to think we’re the only ones. We know life can happen—because it happened here on Earth. That’s not just a guess; it’s a fact. And the basic ingredients for life are everywhere out there: water, carbon, organic molecules. We’ve even found life on Earth thriving in the harshest, weirdest places imaginable.

So while we don’t have hard evidence yet, it’s not a stretch to believe we’re not alone. Honestly, with billions of galaxies and trillions of planets, it would almost be stranger if we were the only ones.

NHC
I mostly agree, however, it's important to look at the time, too.

Like, look at the universe and actually observe how much of it has been touched by time according to any given part of it.

Our universe is only something like 14 trillion years old.

Our planet is 7 trillion years old, and existed pretty early for what it is (a terrestrial planet with water around a second generation star that had a goodly amount of intersection with various stellar ejecta), and only now is intelligent life first getting a chance to wipe itself out properly for the very first (and possibly only) time.

A few times in the past, life did that thing, nearly wiping out all life because something did something blindly and other stuff took a while to learn to eat the byproducts.

This means while life is almost certainly "out there", intelligent life is almost certainly very far away at this point.

It will be a while before life makes contact with life, I think, and I doubt travel may happen promptly, with few opportunities even over billions or trillions of years to exit, and only to "close" places.

The Andromeda flyby will probably be the next possible opportunity for anything to cross the intergalactic void.

In the space of time in which the interfacing happens, it may be possible to rendezvous with and slingshot off of a passing star to go any which way, at intergalactic escape velocities, so as to rendezvous with a third galaxy, and to reach any number of interstellar targets in both Andromeda and in the Milky Way.

This won't happen for a very long time, but this is probably the earliest I would expect visitors, or maybe a few (hundred?) thousand years after.

My bias is to expect alien life in the form of something compact and slow-acting that takes root in remote places that don't support a classic view of "life" arising organically there.

From that perspective, we wouldn't even know it was there before it had a colony among the Jovian Trojans or moons or an asteroid belt or whatever the case may be for whatever works best.

If you can imagine AI terminators or whatever taking over the earth... Why would they care about the earth when they don't need an atmosphere, and there are better resources in space, assuming they have the delta-v to get where they need to go? All the rest is just computation of curves using known equations, and periodic course correction applying those computations.

It is one of the most unburdened ways to exist.

There are no predators.

There are no real time constraints.

It's just you out there in the void until you are big enough and have the resources to grow and put together biochemistry, or possibly collect some samples. If I was gonna do it, I think I would try to get a firearm barrel into the upper atmosphere with a balloon and attempt a bullet catch using a slug whose innermost lining is an aerogel filled with the sample, and fired at a known coordinate in the sky above the planet. It might eventually come back down, were it not to be caught by the actual exit craft.

Then I would grow one of those best I could, drop it down to the planet, and regularly transmit back until I had lived a few lives and probably wouldn't make contact until they were messing about and could possibly end up angry I already ate all their best space rocks.

And by "I", I mean me and whatever species I'm from and whose members were representing me in the scenario.

Getting across the interstellar expanse is very difficult, even trying requires some very advanced traits, and "being something that could survive where you are going" requires even more still.

I personally think much of this will come in the next 100 years, and we will already be "digitally commuting" at light speed around our solar system.

Whether we find something has started eating all the best space rocks before we got there is an open question, but as I said we are pretty early. I would bet even the first life to ever become as we will say "how can we possibly be the first? Are we the first?" And will go out into the universe to find some other life that has likely thought much the same for almost as long, even if they find younger life thereafter.

It will happen to many, infinitely many, in fact, to feel such as we might actually be.
 
Our planet is 7 trillion years old
Citation needed.

Our planet is about 0.064% of that age.
Oh my bad. 5 billion? It's been a while since I ever cared to actually know the numbers. Either way, the universe isn't actually all that old in terms of how long life could exist as we understand it; 14ish billion apparently, with the sun being about 5 billion years old.

I fully expect there's life elsewhere, but a lot of it would be way lower-energy than life here, and would evolve much more slowly or be prone to burnout; I expect we have a lot of advantages, and also that we happened early.

We are an extreme outlier in terms of life in the universe just because of when we observe our existence. I actually have a hard time reconciling that fact, among all the other facts of my existence.

I just think that if we are going to encounter aliens, it's more likely we encounter them making a pass at some of our delicious space rocks, moreso than our gross planet.
 
Sure. But most intelligent life here on Earth isn't humanoid
There’s intelligent life on earth?
It must be everywhere!
Seriously though, we’re by far the most technological species and probably more visible from a distance across more spectra, than any species on earth. But has human intelligence increased in the last say, 10 millennia? No wait, make that 6 millennia so our creos don’t set something on fire.
 
The universe is just too big and too full of possibilities to think we’re the only ones. We know life can happen—because it happened here on Earth. That’s not just a guess; it’s a fact. And the basic ingredients for life are everywhere out there: water, carbon, organic molecules. We’ve even found life on Earth thriving in the harshest, weirdest places imaginable.

So while we don’t have hard evidence yet, it’s not a stretch to believe we’re not alone. Honestly, with billions of galaxies and trillions of planets, it would almost be stranger if we were the only ones.

NHC
Fermi Paradox.

And the more we look the harder it is to believe the Great Filter is behind us.
 
I think it is extremely unlikely that we will ever encounter extraterrestrial humanoids
Sure. But most intelligent life here on Earth isn't humanoid.

Our chances of meeting intelligent extraterrestrial squidoids or octopoids seems rather higher.

We haven't even scratched the surface of Europa yet, so it would be premature to jump to any conclusions.
So long and thanks for all the fish......
 
If evolution as we see it is a constant then the universe will be filled with similar scenarios, predator and prey.

Th prehuman life in the oceans was and is today predator and prey.
 
There’s intelligent life on earth?
It must be everywhere!
Careful. It would be just our luck to be visited by aliens from a distant planet, say, Daehtihs 588, who have been monitoring our civilization and who worship Trump. They'd have genetically altered themselves to grow giant orange pompadours on their stupid heads. They would arrive wearing MAGA ball caps. They'd have come to invest in Trump crypto, buy five million dollar gold cards, and hang Mike Pence. They would bring gifts of solid bricks of covfefe, which turns out to be a rare earth metal and interchangeable with all of earth's known rare metals.
Their saving grace: they listen to Monk and Mingus on their space flights and consider Lee Greenwood a 'dorkbrain'.
 
If evolution as we see it is a constant then the universe will be filled with similar scenarios, predator and prey.

Th prehuman life in the oceans was and is today predator and prey.
Evolution is quite apparently an emergent behavior of matter and energy. Under the rules operating in our universe, it seems as unavoidable as gravity. It happens as soon as self replication of any kind becomes a thing. The necessary other ingredients, imperfection, and dynamic conditions, are ubiquitous throughout the universe.
Things that imperfectly self-replicate grow in numbers until living conditions change too fast for evolution to ‘create’ (result in) a viable population with new characteristics required in the new environment. Then they die out.
About 99% of all species of both vertebrates and invertebrates are no longer with us, yet life saturates the oceans and landmasses. It is some amazing stuff, just made of super gigatrial and error. Every lock opens eventually if you can try enough random combinations.
 
Every lock opens eventually if you can try enough random combinations.
The whole secret to the success of viruses, because there are so many of them.
That and short generational cycles make them a formidable force indeed.
As the earth gets slowly roasted and consumed by the sun, microbial and viral life will almost certainly be the last to go, consuming the remains of all that came before... A certain symmetry there - a ball of rock that starts out too hot for life, goes from little life to big life, back to little life and ends up the same way it started out; too hot.
 
Every lock opens eventually if you can try enough random combinations.
The whole secret to the success of viruses, because there are so many of them.
That and short generational cycles make them a formidable force indeed.
As the earth gets slowly roasted and consumed by the sun, microbial and viral life will almost certainly be the last to go, consuming the remains of all that came before... A certain symmetry there - a ball of rock that starts out too hot for life, goes from little life to big life, back to little life and ends up the same way it started out; too hot.
I think the quote attributed to me is somebody else.

Bactria that feeds on minerals have e been found in deep mines.
Yes, bacteria in deep mines and underground ecosystems can obtain energy by consuming minerals. These organisms, known as chemolithotrophs, can oxidize (react with oxygen) or reduce (gain electrons) minerals like iron, sulfur, and other elements to derive energy. This process is crucial for their survival in environments devoid of sunlight and organic matter.

Chemolithotrophs are a group of phylogenetically diverse microbes that can obtain all the energy required for their growth from the oxidation of inorganic compounds such as hydrogen (H2), hydrogen sulfide (H2S), and reduced metals (Garrity, 2005; Kelly, 1971; Rabus, Hansen, & Widdel, 2006; Robertson & Kuenen, 2

Deep-sea hydrothermal vents are ecosystems driven primarily by chemolithotrophic microorganisms, which use reduced chemical compounds, like sulfur, to create energy and fix carbon dioxide. These organisms form the base of the food web, supporting diverse communities of invertebrates in the vent's vicinity.

These microorganisms are unique because they don't rely on sunlight (like photosynthesis) but instead obtain energy from chemical reactions involving inorganic compounds.


Does life exist in some form elsewhere in theuniverse? Pro0baly.
 
Sure. But most intelligent life here on Earth isn't humanoid
There’s intelligent life on earth?
It must be everywhere!
Not everywhere. Cetaceans and Cephalopods don't live on land, and that makes up a good 29% of the planetary surface.
Seriously though, we’re by far the most technological species and probably more visible from a distance across more spectra, than any species on earth.
Sure, but that's only because fire works better on land than underwater.

Technology isn't intelligence; As you point out:
But has human intelligence increased in the last say, 10 millennia? No wait, make that 6 millennia so our creos don’t set something on fire.

"For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much – the wheel, New York, wars and so on – whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man – for precisely the same reasons."
- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
 
Yet Cats have reached the pinnacle of culture, wisdom and serenity, with servants at their beck and call, they live their lives in luxury and contemplation....that, folks, is the mark of true intelligence.
 
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fire works better on land than underwater.

Which always amazes me. With all that sodium in the water, it should burst right into flames.
Thank god for chlorine?

Does life exist in some form elsewhere in theuniverse? Pro0baly.
I'd say it is almost certain that life exists on bodies within the solar system other than Earth.
If there's one thing I'd hope for from science, it would be to confirm that 100% before I die.
I don't know why that would give me such satisfaction.
 
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fire works better on land than underwater.

Which always amazes me. With all that sodium in the water, it should burst right into flames.
Thank god for chlorine?

Does life exist in some form elsewhere in theuniverse? Pro0baly.
I'd say it is almost certain that life exists on bodies within the solar system other than Earth.
If there's one thing I'd hope for from science, it would be to confirm that 100% before I die.
I don't know why that would give me such satisfaction.
All sorts of tiny critters who might like to have us for lunch.

Remember the movie Andromeda Strain?
 
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