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The Democrats are digging themselves a deeper hole every time they make this claim that her loss was due to sexism and/or racism. Democrat voters (as well as moderates & indepedents) who sat out the election out of candidate apathy are being told they're these horrible, bigoted people. Why would they want to vote for a party in the next election that has so much contempt for them?

It is quite remarkable that the democratic leadership and a few on here keep beating on this dead horse. The democrats have now lost two elections because of this nonsense. The only dissenter seems to be the insufferable prick Newsom.
 
The Democrats are digging themselves a deeper hole every time they make this claim that her loss was due to sexism and/or racism. Democrat voters (as well as moderates & indepedents) who sat out the election out of candidate apathy are being told they're these horrible, bigoted people. Why would they want to vote for a party in the next election that has so much contempt for them?

It is quite remarkable that the democratic leadership and a few on here keep beating on this dead horse. The democrats have now lost two elections because of this nonsense. The only dissenter seems to be the insufferable prick Newsom.
Don’t fret! There are a few candidates in the Midwest who are dissenting also.
 
Good lord

82-year-old Brandon collected his thoughts before admitting that he "wasn't surprised" by Harris' loss to Trump.

"Not because I didn't think the Vice President was qualified to be President," he clarified. "She is, she's qualified to be President of the United States of America. I was surprised because they went the sexist route, the whole route. 'This is a woman,' she's this, she's that, really, I've never seen as successful and consistent [of a] campaign undercutting the notion that a woman couldn't lead the country — and a woman of mixed race."

News

oh Brandon, you’ve done it again.
President Biden has simply revealed the truth. {snip}

lol.
Do your blinders get uncomfortable in hot weather?
Tom
 
Good lord

82-year-old Brandon collected his thoughts before admitting that he "wasn't surprised" by Harris' loss to Trump.

"Not because I didn't think the Vice President was qualified to be President," he clarified. "She is, she's qualified to be President of the United States of America. I was surprised because they went the sexist route, the whole route. 'This is a woman,' she's this, she's that, really, I've never seen as successful and consistent [of a] campaign undercutting the notion that a woman couldn't lead the country — and a woman of mixed race."

News

oh Brandon, you’ve done it again.
President Biden has simply revealed the truth. If you deny that, then which of the two of you is having thinking capability trouble?
The Democrats are digging themselves a deeper hole every time they make this claim that her loss was due to sexism and/or racism. Democrat voters (as well as moderates & indepedents) who sat out the election out of candidate apathy are being told they're these horrible, bigoted people. Why would they want to vote for a party in the next election that has so much contempt for them? Shouldn't Democrats be focused on building up inspiration for their party, instead of recklessly insulting them?

Kamala Harris was just a weak candidate. She avoided the press, wouldn't answer direct questions, was slow (or non-existent) to declare her policy positions, had the most extreme liberal voting record (a bad place to be if you want to capture the all important moderate and independent voters) as a Senator, and was contradictory on her positions. Now that the election is over, many in her own party have been exposed as not wanting her to be the candidate, including and especially President Obama:


I mostly agree with your comments. She just wasn’t comfortable talking about economics. She avoided difficult issues. Israel really hurt her also. I 100% support Israel, but Netanyahu fucked the dems bad. That deflated some on the left. She ran a horrible campaign. She is a little too left. And yet she only lost by 1.25%. This is important. He dosn’t have a mandate. But he’s ruling like he has a mandate. He and the republicans are overstepping dramatically. People aren’t going to forget that while Trump screwed the countries with his tariffs, that Republicans sat on their ass and did nothing. The republicans are going to get their asses handed to them in 26. And we’ve got a great shot in 28 if we can elect a moderate with broad appeal and common sense economic principles. At least that is my hope!

I have seen this 1.25% loss margin brought up fairly often, but I'll admit I haven't looked into it. How is that being measured? Certainly not by comparing EC votes, and not the popular vote, as that is not the metric we use to elect our presidents. At any rate, I think its too early to predict that the R's are going to get their asses handed to them in '26. The economy is still holding together, the stock market has bounced back substantially, Trump got the border under control very quickly, has been working on peace deals (India & Pakistan skirmish just got settled with US help), etc. But, yeah, there is a lot of chaos with more to come, but everyone kind of knows that's been his M.O. all along.

I like what you said about a Democrat moderate in 28 with broad appeal and common sense economic principles. I'm all in, if one shows up. But, where is he/she?
 
Good lord

82-year-old Brandon collected his thoughts before admitting that he "wasn't surprised" by Harris' loss to Trump.

"Not because I didn't think the Vice President was qualified to be President," he clarified. "She is, she's qualified to be President of the United States of America. I was surprised because they went the sexist route, the whole route. 'This is a woman,' she's this, she's that, really, I've never seen as successful and consistent [of a] campaign undercutting the notion that a woman couldn't lead the country — and a woman of mixed race."

News

oh Brandon, you’ve done it again.
President Biden has simply revealed the truth. If you deny that, then which of the two of you is having thinking capability trouble?
The Democrats are digging themselves a deeper hole every time they make this claim that her loss was due to sexism and/or racism. Democrat voters (as well as moderates & indepedents) who sat out the election out of candidate apathy are being told they're these horrible, bigoted people. Why would they want to vote for a party in the next election that has so much contempt for them? Shouldn't Democrats be focused on building up inspiration for their party, instead of recklessly insulting them?

Kamala Harris was just a weak candidate. She avoided the press, wouldn't answer direct questions, was slow (or non-existent) to declare her policy positions, had the most extreme liberal voting record (a bad place to be if you want to capture the all important moderate and independent voters) as a Senator, and was contradictory on her positions. Now that the election is over, many in her own party have been exposed as not wanting her to be the candidate, including and especially President Obama:


I mostly agree with your comments. She just wasn’t comfortable talking about economics. She avoided difficult issues. Israel really hurt her also. I 100% support Israel, but Netanyahu fucked the dems bad. That deflated some on the left. She ran a horrible campaign. She is a little too left. And yet she only lost by 1.25%. This is important. He dosn’t have a mandate. But he’s ruling like he has a mandate. He and the republicans are overstepping dramatically. People aren’t going to forget that while Trump screwed the countries with his tariffs, that Republicans sat on their ass and did nothing. The republicans are going to get their asses handed to them in 26. And we’ve got a great shot in 28 if we can elect a moderate with broad appeal and common sense economic principles. At least that is my hope!

I have seen this 1.25% loss margin brought up fairly often, but I'll admit I haven't looked into it. How is that being measured? Certainly not by comparing EC votes, and not the popular vote, as that is not the metric we use to elect our presidents. At any rate, I think its too early to predict that the R's are going to get their asses handed to them in '26. The economy is still holding together, the stock market has bounced back substantially, Trump got the border under control very quickly, has been working on peace deals (India & Pakistan skirmish just got settled with US help), etc. But, yeah, there is a lot of chaos with more to come, but everyone kind of knows that's been his M.O. all along.

I like what you said about a Democrat moderate in 28 with broad appeal and common sense economic principles. I'm all in, if one shows up. But, where is he/she?

Where is she/he? One is running Michigan. One is running Pennsylvania!
 
Good lord

82-year-old Brandon collected his thoughts before admitting that he "wasn't surprised" by Harris' loss to Trump.

"Not because I didn't think the Vice President was qualified to be President," he clarified. "She is, she's qualified to be President of the United States of America. I was surprised because they went the sexist route, the whole route. 'This is a woman,' she's this, she's that, really, I've never seen as successful and consistent [of a] campaign undercutting the notion that a woman couldn't lead the country — and a woman of mixed race."

News

oh Brandon, you’ve done it again.
President Biden has simply revealed the truth. If you deny that, then which of the two of you is having thinking capability trouble?
The Democrats are digging themselves a deeper hole every time they make this claim that her loss was due to sexism and/or racism. Democrat voters (as well as moderates & indepedents) who sat out the election out of candidate apathy are being told they're these horrible, bigoted people. Why would they want to vote for a party in the next election that has so much contempt for them? Shouldn't Democrats be focused on building up inspiration for their party, instead of recklessly insulting them?

Kamala Harris was just a weak candidate. She avoided the press, wouldn't answer direct questions, was slow (or non-existent) to declare her policy positions, had the most extreme liberal voting record (a bad place to be if you want to capture the all important moderate and independent voters) as a Senator, and was contradictory on her positions. Now that the election is over, many in her own party have been exposed as not wanting her to be the candidate, including and especially President Obama:


I mostly agree with your comments. She just wasn’t comfortable talking about economics. She avoided difficult issues. Israel really hurt her also. I 100% support Israel, but Netanyahu fucked the dems bad. That deflated some on the left. She ran a horrible campaign. She is a little too left. And yet she only lost by 1.25%. This is important. He dosn’t have a mandate. But he’s ruling like he has a mandate. He and the republicans are overstepping dramatically. People aren’t going to forget that while Trump screwed the countries with his tariffs, that Republicans sat on their ass and did nothing. The republicans are going to get their asses handed to them in 26. And we’ve got a great shot in 28 if we can elect a moderate with broad appeal and common sense economic principles. At least that is my hope!

I have seen this 1.25% loss margin brought up fairly often, but I'll admit I haven't looked into it. How is that being measured? Certainly not by comparing EC votes, and not the popular vote, as that is not the metric we use to elect our presidents. At any rate, I think its too early to predict that the R's are going to get their asses handed to them in '26. The economy is still holding together, the stock market has bounced back substantially, Trump got the border under control very quickly, has been working on peace deals (India & Pakistan skirmish just got settled with US help), etc. But, yeah, there is a lot of chaos with more to come, but everyone kind of knows that's been his M.O. all along.

I like what you said about a Democrat moderate in 28 with broad appeal and common sense economic principles. I'm all in, if one shows up. But, where is he/she?

Where is she/he? One is running Michigan. One is running Pennsylvania!

(y) Those are definitely two to look into, assuming they will even be running. I would defintely choose either of them over Greasy Gavin even without knowing their postions on issues!
 
Democrat voters (as well as moderates & indepedents) who sat out the election out of candidate apathy are being told they're these horrible, bigoted people. Why would they want to vote for a party in the next election that has so much contempt for them?
Because it's true, and it's the reason their country is going to shit.

Adults who find out that their bigotry is ruining their own lives try to be less bigoted.

Toddlers who find out that their bigotry is ruining their own lives throw a tantrum about being called out on their bigotry, and smash up still more of the systems that are there to support them.

Reality is under no obligation to spare your hurt feelings, nor to support your self-image as a good person despite its obvious falsehood.

That it is political suicide to point out that voters are sexist and racist is not a justification for not doing so, unless you are happy with a government that will tell any lie, and break any word, in order to gain or keep power.

The infantile behaviour of the US electorate has given them exactly that kind of government, and it is (shock!) fucking their country over.

They now continue to have a stark choice - grow the fuck up, or suffer the consequences.

Disappointingly, they continue to choose the latter. Even more disappointingly, you continue to applaud that choice, and to blame those who point out the childishness for the consequences attendant on that childishness.

Good luck with that.
 
Because it's true, and it's the reason their country is going to shit.
Why do you assume observe it is true?
FTFY.

I have eyes. And I am not afraid to believe them.

I note that the US has twice chosen Donald Trump as President, when the alternative was a woman.

I further note that in both cases, literally any other human being would have been a superior choice than Donald Trump.

But despite Trump's very clear inferiority, given a choice between him and a woman, America chose the literal worst possible candidate.

And this has, predictably, turned the USA to shit.
 
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The Democrats are digging themselves a deeper hole every time they make this claim that her loss was due to sexism and/or racism.
Indeed. I keep having this discussion with Toni. She keeps insisting that anybody critical Kamala Harris must be doing so because of racism and sexism. In no way can it be admitted that she was a very flawed candidate and that those flaws hurt her chances.

That Biden is echoing this sentiment is disappointing, but not surprising.
Shouldn't Democrats be focused on building up inspiration for their party, instead of recklessly insulting them?
You'd think, right?
Kamala Harris was just a weak candidate. She avoided the press, wouldn't answer direct questions, was slow (or non-existent) to declare her policy positions,
For a while, the commentariat thought it a genius strategy to focus on memes and vibes (coconut trees, Kamala is Brat, Republicans are weird) instead of offering anything substantive.
Example: It’s a vibes election - and Harris has picked the perfect running mate for the job

had the most extreme liberal voting record (a bad place to be if you want to capture the all important moderate and independent voters)
Indeed. She was way off to the left in the Senate, and ran in the left lane with Bernie and Warren in the 2020 election.
 
Kamala Harris was a better candidate than Trump.

It is utterly irrelevant what her weaknesses or strengths were versus any standard other than Trump.

The only areas where she was not clearly and obviously superior to Trump, by a HUGE margin, were her ability to appeal to sexist and/or racist voters.
 
I have eyes. And I am not afraid to believe them.
It is an assumption that those who didn't like Kamala Harris did so due to bigotry and not because of her track record and positions.
I note that the US has twice chosen Donald Trump as President, when the alternative was a woman.
n=2 is a very small sample size.
Especially when the number of confounding variables is huge.
Both of these women were very flawed for reasons that had fuck-all to do with their genitalia for one.
I think there were women who could have won. Gretchen Whitmer for example would have been more formidable.
I further note that in both cases, literally any other human being would have been a superior choice than Donald Trump.
Don't preach at me. I voted for Harris/Walz as the lesser weevils.
But I do realize that when looking at policies and candidates can come to different conclusions without necessarily being bigoted.
And this has, predictably, turned the USA to shit.
I blame the Dems for snatching a defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.
Biden should have withdrawn in Summer 2023, and there should have been a proper primary. Not a coronation.
 
It is an assumption that those who didn't like Kamala Harris did so due to bigotry and not because of her track record and positions.
No, it's not.

It's a two horse race. Regardless of how awful you think that Harris's "track record and positions" are, they were objectively better than Trump's.

Please feel free to give any counterexamples that you feel outweigh this reality. Because "track record and positions" is a study in vagueness and unfocussed insinuation, and appears to ha e zero basis in a comparison between the two candidates.
 
President Biden has simply revealed the truth. If you deny that, then which of the two of you is having thinking capability trouble?
No he hasn't. It's just a way to avoid taking an honest look at both Kamala Harris as a candidate and the broader question of Dem tactics in 2024.
Not to mention Biden's obstinacy in not withdrawing a year earlier. If he blames everything on the bigotry of the voters, he does not have to admit that he fucked up royally there.
 
You should be blaming Trump and his enablers from the GOP to the Kremlin and beyond.
Unlike Trump and the GOP, Kamala and the Dems were supposed to work to prevent Trump winning. They did a piss-poor job, and it is correct to blame them.
 
Were those policy positions worse than Trump's?
That's not the issue.
That's the entire issue.
The issue is that opposing a candidate is not necessarily due to bigotry just because she is female and non-white.
But it is, when all the other possible considerations lead very obviously and clearly to the selection of that candidate, over the clear and present danger embodied by her opponent.
 
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