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It was precisely because Brandon was out of his mind that he was ousted. So yeah, being out of one's mind is an impediment.
Bullshit.
The Biden administration was doing rather well, considering the mess the Trump administration left behind.

And here's the thing. The president is not supposed to just decide everything by caveat. He's supposed to be a figure head, do treaties with foreign governments, and be a good administrator. Being a good administrator means hiring top people, based on competence, then let them do their job.
Trump is hiring dumbasses based on loyalty and letting them fuck up the USA, as long as it benefits an old rich dude living in Florida with his hooker wife.

I still find it incredible that conservative Christian voters support Trump, but they do.
Tom
 
SACRAMENTO, California — Attorney General Rob Bonta said on Thursday that California will sue the Trump administration to protect its ability to set its own vehicle emissions rules. Bonta said he would file the lawsuit whenever President Donald Trump signs off on Congress’ vote on Thursday to overturn California’s phase-out of gasoline-fueled cars and trucks. It would mark his 23rd lawsuit against the Trump administration this year.


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Newsom is Trump’s bitch now.

Newsom is out of his fucking mind if he thinks he can be the next president.
It has been shown that being out of your mind is no impediment to becoming President.

If this were true, Brandon would have run in 2024. But anyway, Newsom is at the very least delusional if he thinks he can become president.
It is true. It has been demonstrated. No subjunctive mood needed.

It's no guarantee of course, but it is surely no impediment.

It was precisely because Brandon was out of his mind that he was ousted. So yeah, being out of one's mind is an impediment.
Not to Trump it wasn’t. That’s my point.
 
Upon further reflection, I will admit that perhaps Trump isn’t actually “out of his mind”, he has just always been that mentally disturbed. So, point to you, I guess?
 
LA had infamous smog issues and as part of the Clean Air Act which was signed over 50 years ago, California was allowed to establish more stringent emission controls. These controls are being arbitrarily removed because Trump wants to be an asshole.

This particular legislation is in regards to the EV mandate.
 
LA had infamous smog issues and as part of the Clean Air Act which was signed over 50 years ago, California was allowed to establish more stringent emission controls. These controls are being arbitrarily removed because Trump wants to be an asshole.

This particular legislation is in regards to the EV mandate.
So republicans are ok with states regulating abortions even to the extent of criminalizing interstate travel but not ok with states regulating their own emission standards and vehicle sales?

What is the conservative principle at work here that explains this dichotomy? Do you know? Can you explain why this isn’t simply a politically motivated move by the Trump administration?
 
So republicans are ok with states regulating abortions even to the extent of criminalizing interstate travel but not ok with states regulating their own emission standards and vehicle sales?

The EV mandate initiated by the insufferable prick Newsom was an arbitrary decree. So I’m fine with it being binned. And be aware, quite a few democrats voted to bin the mandate.
 
So republicans are ok with states regulating abortions even to the extent of criminalizing interstate travel but not ok with states regulating their own emission standards and vehicle sales?

The EV mandate initiated by the insufferable prick Newsom was an arbitrary decree. So I’m fine with it being binned. And be aware, quite a few democrats voted to bin the mandate.
I'm not a fan of not each state having its own auto emission standards. Car manufacturers would have to make a separate versions of their cars to comply with each states' requirements. Makes things overly complicated for the auto industry and raises prices for everyone. Make it one standard for all states, and make it something reasonable to achieve. Some emission standards have been overly strict, resulting in higher car prices and even cheating on emission tests to pass.
 
So republicans are ok with states regulating abortions even to the extent of criminalizing interstate travel but not ok with states regulating their own emission standards and vehicle sales?

The EV mandate initiated by the insufferable prick Newsom was an arbitrary decree. So I’m fine with it being binned. And be aware, quite a few democrats voted to bin the mandate.
So it’s “things I don’t like” that’s the principle at play?
 
So republicans are ok with states regulating abortions even to the extent of criminalizing interstate travel but not ok with states regulating their own emission standards and vehicle sales?

The EV mandate initiated by the insufferable prick Newsom was an arbitrary decree. So I’m fine with it being binned. And be aware, quite a few democrats voted to bin the mandate.
I'm not a fan of not each state having its own auto emission standards. Car manufacturers would have to make a separate versions of their cars to comply with each states' requirements. Makes things overly complicated for the auto industry and raises prices for everyone. Make it one standard for all states, and make it something reasonable to achieve. Some emission standards have been overly strict, resulting in higher car prices and even cheating on emission tests to pass.
republicans seem to be fans of each state having its own abortion standards.

Do they have any principles?
 
So republicans are ok with states regulating abortions even to the extent of criminalizing interstate travel but not ok with states regulating their own emission standards and vehicle sales?

The EV mandate initiated by the insufferable prick Newsom was an arbitrary decree. So I’m fine with it being binned. And be aware, quite a few democrats voted to bin the mandate.
I'm not a fan of not each state having its own auto emission standards. Car manufacturers would have to make a separate versions of their cars to comply with each states' requirements. Makes things overly complicated for the auto industry and raises prices for everyone. Make it one standard for all states, and make it something reasonable to achieve. Some emission standards have been overly strict, resulting in higher car prices and even cheating on emission tests to pass.
Do different countries have different emission standards because most major car manufacturers make cars for different countries, yes?

Maybe they can just make different models with different capabilities and those can be sold in accordance with the standards of the markets in which they are sold. They could sell the more expensive cars in California and cheaper models in states with lower standards.

But the question still remains if the Trump administration is applying a principled approach to their decisions of just being vindictive. If the former then surely the principle could be articulated, yes?
 
So republicans are ok with states regulating abortions even to the extent of criminalizing interstate travel but not ok with states regulating their own emission standards and vehicle sales?

The EV mandate initiated by the insufferable prick Newsom was an arbitrary decree. So I’m fine with it being binned. And be aware, quite a few democrats voted to bin the mandate.
So it’s “things I don’t like” that’s the principle at play?

Some things are federally controlled, other things are state controlled. But the people of California never had a say on Newsom’s diktat.
 
So republicans are ok with states regulating abortions even to the extent of criminalizing interstate travel but not ok with states regulating their own emission standards and vehicle sales?

The EV mandate initiated by the insufferable prick Newsom was an arbitrary decree. So I’m fine with it being binned. And be aware, quite a few democrats voted to bin the mandate.
I'm not a fan of not each state having its own auto emission standards. Car manufacturers would have to make a separate versions of their cars to comply with each states' requirements. Makes things overly complicated for the auto industry and raises prices for everyone. Make it one standard for all states, and make it something reasonable to achieve. Some emission standards have been overly strict, resulting in higher car prices and even cheating on emission tests to pass.
In California, these standards are being used as a tool to ban ICE cars. Newsom is also trying to dictate just how many EV vehicles must be sold. Good luck to him trying to get elected to the White House on this bullshit.
 
Maybe they can just make different models with different capabilities and those can be sold in accordance with the standards of the markets in which they are sold.
In most cases, it's FAR cheaper to make one single model that complies with all of the market standards - that is, with the highest standard found in any market.

In the case of the US, many cars are sold that exceed the crash safety and/or fuel economy requirements even of California, because they already meet higher standards imposed by the EU; While in the case of the EU, many cars exceed local NOx standards, because they comply with the stricter Californian rules.

So the Californian standard, or any US Federal standard, is utterly without effect for cars sold in both the US and the EU, whenever the EU standard is highest. And the EU standard has no effect when the Californian standard is higher.

US automakers who build models not sold in the EU need meet only the standards set by the strictest US state (usually California), but if they plan to sell to the EU, there's no benefit in making two models that differ only in their adherence to the different regulations, unless by doing so they install a completely different engine - selling the same model with a few different engine and/or transmission options is already a commonplace.

Basically any sufficiently large market region can dictate higher standards to automakers, that will flow through to the models sold in places with lower standards. For this not to happen, the low standards market would need to be massively larger than the high standards market.

So you get crappy cars sold to India or China, but not to Australia or Alabama, because there are too few Australians or Alabamans to make it worthwhile to build a special middling-standard model just for them.

If your local standards are set too high for you to buy Indian or Chinese clunkers, then by default you will get cars that meet EU and Californian specifications, and exceed any local standards.

If it were cheaper to build middling-standard compliant cars, then they would. But it's not, so they don't.

TL;DR - Economies of scale impose a defacto single national (or even multinational) set of standards that is equal to the highest standard set in any sub-region. It's of zero relevance whether the standard is set at the state level or at the federal level, it will be complied with (or exceeded) nationwide anyway.
 
So republicans are ok with states regulating abortions even to the extent of criminalizing interstate travel but not ok with states regulating their own emission standards and vehicle sales?

The EV mandate initiated by the insufferable prick Newsom was an arbitrary decree. So I’m fine with it being binned. And be aware, quite a few democrats voted to bin the mandate.
So it’s “things I don’t like” that’s the principle at play?

Some things are federally controlled, other things are state controlled. But the people of California never had a say on Newsom’s diktat.
So you are saying there are no principles at play here? If it’s to the Republicans’ advantage to have it one way that is what they will support. I agree that they are wholly unprincipled.
 
So republicans are ok with states regulating abortions even to the extent of criminalizing interstate travel but not ok with states regulating their own emission standards and vehicle sales?

The EV mandate initiated by the insufferable prick Newsom was an arbitrary decree. So I’m fine with it being binned. And be aware, quite a few democrats voted to bin the mandate.
I'm not a fan of not each state having its own auto emission standards. Car manufacturers would have to make a separate versions of their cars to comply with each states' requirements. Makes things overly complicated for the auto industry and raises prices for everyone. Make it one standard for all states, and make it something reasonable to achieve. Some emission standards have been overly strict, resulting in higher car prices and even cheating on emission tests to pass.
Each state doesn't. California was provided special permission in the Clean Air Act 50+ years ago. There are unique climate issues caused by the geography around Southern California that creates a trap for pollution. It isn't like Northern Indiana or Florida, where the pollution easily flows to the east (and/or west) over the ocean or Ohio.
 
Tswizzle you can roll your eyes all you want but I assume that if there were a principle upon which the Trump administration took these actions you would have stated it when I asked. Therefore I agree with you that it is an unprincipled action.
 
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