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This week’s Economist reports that the gov’t of Israel admits arming a criminal gang in Gaza in the hope it will fight Hamas.

As Netanhsyu of all people should kniw how well the “enemy of my enemy” plays out.
 
This week’s Economist reports that the gov’t of Israel admits arming a criminal gang in Gaza in the hope it will fight Hamas.

As Netanhsyu of all people should kniw how well the “enemy of my enemy” plays out.
Oh noes!
Gazans fighting?
Tom
 

There was no Gazan government when they were imprisoned.
Gazans were not imprisoned. Sorry to break it to you, but Israel protecting itself is not imprisonment.
Tom
How is it not a prison?

The inmates are locked in. Their environment is controlled by the jailers. Food, water, power, all controlled by the jailers. What's the difference?
 
This week’s Economist reports that the gov’t of Israel admits arming a criminal gang in Gaza in the hope it will fight Hamas.

As Netanhsyu of all people should kniw how well the “enemy of my enemy” plays out.
Didn't they originally arm Hamas as well?
 

There was no Gazan government when they were imprisoned.
Gazans were not imprisoned. Sorry to break it to you, but Israel protecting itself is not imprisonment.
Tom
How is it not a prison?

The inmates are locked in. Their environment is controlled by the jailers. Food, water, power, all controlled by the jailers. What's the difference?
A) There's a whole wall that is open.

B) The border wasn't put there to punish anyone, but to prevent the violent Gazans from blowing up innocent civilians. If the Gazans can't sort out the murderously violent Muslim terrorists, expecting Israel to do it isn't at all reasonable.
Tom
 

There was no Gazan government when they were imprisoned.
Gazans were not imprisoned. Sorry to break it to you, but Israel protecting itself is not imprisonment.
Tom
How is it not a prison?

The inmates are locked in. Their environment is controlled by the jailers. Food, water, power, all controlled by the jailers. What's the difference?
A) There's a whole wall that is open.
Really? So Gazans can just walk through unimpeded by the IDF? No. Absolutely they cannot.

Gazans wishing to leave Gaza through the wall, which is part of the Israeli-controlled border, face significant restrictions.
Categories of Palestinians Allowed to Apply for Permits:
  • Traders and laborers: Primarily those with "economic needs" permits, many of whom are de facto daily laborers.
  • Patients and their companions: Those needing medical treatment unavailable in Gaza.
  • Aid workers: Staff of international organizations.
  • Exceptional humanitarian cases: This may include people needing to travel to attend the wedding or funeral of a first-degree relative or to visit a terminally ill relative outside Gaza.
Applying for a Permit:
  • Applications are made through the Israeli-controlled Erez crossing, which operates during the daytime, from Sunday to Thursday, and on Fridays for urgent cases and foreign nationals only.
  • The permit process can be lengthy and non-transparent, with many applications being denied without specific reasons provided.

B) The border wasn't put there to punish anyone, but to prevent the violent Gazans from blowing up innocent civilians.
Tom
Punishment, in its simplest form, is the imposition of an undesirable or unpleasant outcome upon an individual or group, typically as a consequence for a misdeed or violation of rules.
A rose by any other name... Again, collective punishment.

If the Gazans can't sort out the murderously violent Muslim terrorists, expecting Israel to do it isn't at all reasonable.
Why not? Israelis control all the means to do so. and have disallowed the Gazans the ability to do so. The jailers are always responsible for the conditions in their jails.
 
Israelis control all the means to do so. and have disallowed the Gazans the ability to do so.
What the fuck nonsense is that?
Why do you believe that Israel is preventing Gazans from punishing the Gazans Who Matter, when so many Gazans are in dire straights?
Tom
 
Really? So Gazans can just walk through unimpeded by the IDF? No.
Sure.
What is stopping Gazans from crossing the border with Egypt?
Egypt and Hamas and Iran, that's who. Not IDF.
Tom
Being a little tricky there with the context, I see.

I'll respond again when you decide to be honest and serious. Otherwise it's just a waste of time.
 
According to this recent article from the Times of Israel Israel claims it’s promoting Palestinian emigration from Gaza. So why are so few leaving?

Despite reports of increased movement through the Kerem Shalom crossing, according to a source familiar with the issue who talked to The Times of Israel, and public announcements by foreign countries and humanitarian organizations, only about 600 people have left the Gaza Strip in the past two months, since the collapse of the most recent ceasefire.....

Israel’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), the body under the Defense Ministry responsible for coordinating the movement of Gaza residents, has maintained that the only criteria for exiting Gaza — both before and throughout the war — are severe illness or injury, or foreign citizenship. In all cases, residents cannot apply directly to COGAT; an international organization must submit the request on their behalf.


It is notable that many countries accepting patients from Gaza during the war, including the UAE and various European states, have clarified that these are temporary stays for medical treatment and that the individuals are expected to return afterward......

According to a source familiar with the issue who spoke with The Times of Israel, 10 Gazans with foreign citizenship left the strip between August 2024 and February 2025 by crossing through Israel into Jordan....

In total, at least 284 people are confirmed to have left Gaza for foreign destinations. The exact number is unknown, but given the significant restrictions imposed by foreign governments and Israel, it is unlikely to be much higher.....

The World Health Organization estimated in early March that between 11,000 and 13,000 people in Gaza still required urgent evacuation for medical treatment — a figure released before the current round of hostilities resumed nearly two months ago.
 
Really? So Gazans can just walk through unimpeded by the IDF? No.
Sure.
What is stopping Gazans from crossing the border with Egypt?
Egypt and Hamas and Iran, that's who. Not IDF.
Tom
Being a little tricky there with the context, I see.

I'll respond again when you decide to be honest and serious. Otherwise it's just a waste of time.
In other words,
Gazans could leave if the Muslims would let them do it.
Muslims will not. Therefore Israeli defense is evil.
That's kinda tricky on your part, but I have been watching the pro-Hamas ideologists for a while. This is not new.
Tom
 
Really? So Gazans can just walk through unimpeded by the IDF? No.
Sure.
What is stopping Gazans from crossing the border with Egypt?
Egypt and Hamas and Iran, that's who. Not IDF.
Tom
Being a little tricky there with the context, I see.

I'll respond again when you decide to be honest and serious. Otherwise it's just a waste of time.
In other words,
Gazans could leave if the Muslims would let them do it.
Muslims will not. Therefore Israeli defense is evil.
That's kinda tricky on your part, but I have been watching the pro-Hamas ideologists for a while. This is not new.
Tom
What another country does or does not do does not absolve the Israelis of the things they do to the people living in Israel.
 
What another country does or does not do does not absolve the Israelis of the things they do to the people living in Israel.
The people in Israel are defending themselves against the violent Muslim terrorists, such as the ones who live in Gaza and Iran.
Tom
 
What another country does or does not do does not absolve the Israelis of the things they do to the people living in Israel.
The people in Israel are defending themselves against the violent Muslim terrorists, such as the ones who live in Gaza and Iran.
Tom
Again, it does not absolve them of their guilt for using collective punishment.
 
What another country does or does not do does not absolve the Israelis of the things they do to the people living in Israel.
The people in Israel are defending themselves against the violent Muslim terrorists, such as the ones who live in Gaza and Iran.
Tom
Again, it does not absolve them of their guilt for using collective punishment.
There's no collective punishment.
There are definitely Gazans suffering from the disaster caused by violent Muslim terrorists, but that is not the same thing by any stretch.
Tom
 
What another country does or does not do does not absolve the Israelis of the things they do to the people living in Israel.
The people in Israel are defending themselves against the violent Muslim terrorists, such as the ones who live in Gaza and Iran.
Tom
Again, it does not absolve them of their guilt for using collective punishment.
There's no collective punishment.
There are definitely Gazans suffering from the disaster caused by violent Muslim terrorists, but that is not the same thing by any stretch.
Tom
Subjecting someone to a punishment for an act done by someone else is by definition collective punishment.

Collective punishment is when a group of people are penalized for the actions of one or more individuals within that group, without regard for individual responsibility. This means that individuals who did not participate in the action are still subjected to negative consequences or sanctions, which is considered unfair and prohibited under international law.
 
The civilians who are injured or killed as collateral damage in that self-defence are being punished.

Any civilian who got sick from insufficient foid or medical supplies during self-defence blockade was punished.
 
Subjecting someone to a punishment for an act done by someone else is by definition collective punishment.
There's no punishment.
Protecting oneself is not punishing anyone.
Tom
Okay. How about incarceration? Imprisonment? Confinement? Detention? Retribution?

What color is the sky in your world?
 
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