Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[pood]

Does this sound like anyone we know?

Yep, that is just classic. The classic response of a rat caught in the trap, faced with all the evidence: YOU’RE AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!!

And yes, we all know who is doing that here.

 

[pood]

Just look at the smug smirk of pseudo-superiority that douchebag is presenting as he is being questioned — not even accused, but questioned. The same tactic of all con artists, autorcrats, dictators and various and sundry charlatans throughout history.

 

[pood]

 

[Gospel]

I don’t have anything else to say, y’all. Honestly, I don’t even feel like working today. I just want to go home, be with my family, and be grateful I still get to see them.

 

[pood]

The real issue is that the Putins, Trumps, Netanyahus, Iranian mullahs, groups like Hamas, and on and on, have always been pitted against common humanity, many of whom, unfortunately, have been manipulated and gulled by the likes of the above.

 

[TomC]

The real issue is that the Putins, Trumps, Netanyahus, Iranian mullahs, groups like Hamas, and on and on, have always been pitted against common humanity, many of whom, unfortunately, have been manipulated and gulled by the likes of the above.

I think that the real problem is that common humanity prefers being led. Prefers having an authority figure tell them what to do, think, say, or believe.
There's always a predatory authority figure out there who will validate their feelings, in exchange for loyalty and obedience.
Tom

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Any day now King Trump is going to negotiate a better deal with Iran for oil and they will give up their nukes and give us back all the Obama money. Then, he will make a nice vacation getaway resort in Gaza and the Muslims will enjoy waiting on us and getting our luggage for a tip. It's going to be so great, we should have another military parade now to celebrate preemptively.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Israel is luring the U.S. into a trap

An excellent analysis of what’s really going on here.

One thing that is extremely aggravating is the lack of discussion in the mainstream media about how Trump has no constitutional grounds to attack Iran without congressional approval.

In any case, the U.S. has to choose between MOOB — mind our own business — and the same word spelled backward: BOOM.

We’ve been BOOMING since the end of World War II, and with result? The world is as fucked up as ever, and perhaps more so than at any time since the end of World War II. Our repeated fuck ups have been highlighted by two humiliating retreats from Saigon and Kabul. The old idea that the U.S. never lost a war is long a relic of history. We’ll lose this one, too, if we get involved.

Without US intervention communism would likely have spread more in the developing world. What this would have done to the power balance of the world is anyone's guess. But probably not good for democracy. Nor for alleviating world poverty.

Yes, a risk with taking action is that we sometimes fail. Its still not bad. And even a failure can have some desired effect. I think USA's willingness to fight against communism (I didn’t write freedom, because that isn't true) led to some developing countries focus more on building the economy rather than populism. There's no chance in hell Taiwan or South Korea would have moved away from authoritarianism if it wasn't for US intervention.

Bottom line, without US interventions I think it would have been worse. But, yes, there’s also a lot of US fuck ups. Especially in Africa

 

[pood]

Welp, far from overthrowing their regime as Nutbag Netanyahu called for Iranians to do after he attacked their nation, the Iranians (and others across the middle east) are rallying round the flag instead! By golly, who could have predicted that??

 

[DrZoidberg]

Welp, far from overthrowing their regime as Nutbag Netanyahu called for Iranians to do after he attacked their nation, the Iranians (and others across the middle east) are rallying round the flag instead! By golly, who could have predicted that??

If you find this confusing you don't understand Iran. The only thing that keeps the Ayatollah in power is psychopathic brutality. At this point, everyone not in the regime hates the regime. Everyone with any connection to Iran knows this.

Once there's enough critical mass of revolts the army will switch side in an instant. Everyone knows this.

Iran has been on the precipice of falling apart for 15 years now. Revolts are increasing. The brutal responses are becoming increasingly brutal. Now, not even the regime believes in the regime. Its only a matter of time. Everyone knows it.

Its not likely to become democratic. It'll probably be some other dictator. That's the game being played now

FYI, Iranians don't have a problem with Israels strikes. Anything that fucks with the regime is welcome. That's how bad it is

 

[pood]

Welp, far from overthrowing their regime as Nutbag Netanyahu called for Iranians to do after he attacked their nation, the Iranians (and others across the middle east) are rallying round the flag instead! By golly, who could have predicted that??

If you find this confusing you don't understand Iran. The only thing that keeps the Ayatollah in power is psychopathic brutality. At this point, everyone not in the regime hates the regime. Everyone with any connection to Iran knows this.

Once there's enough critical mass of revolts the army will switch side in an instant. Everyone knows this.

Iran has been on the precipice of falling apart for 15 years now. Revolts are increasing. The brutal responses are becoming increasingly brutal. Now, not even the regime believes in the regime. Its only a matter of time. Everyone knows it.

Its not likely to become democratic. It'll probably be some other dictator. That's the game being played now

FYI, Iranians don't have a problem with Israels strikes. Anything that fucks with the regime is welcome. That's how bad it is

You “know” so many things, don’t you? Yet we have seen throughout the history of human civilizations the same exact thing: When your nation is under attack from outside forces, the nation’s people rally round the flag no matter how reprehensible they find their government. That is exactly what is happening here.

If Trump is so stupid as to unconstitutionally get involved in this stupid war, it will blow up in his face and the whole thing will be another giant debacle like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Even in the unlikely event the mullahs were to be ousted, what comes after might even be worse than what we have now. The nation could descend into civil war, or, what is more likely, the Revolutionary Guard might take over and then really push for nuclear weapons.

 

[pood]

Wall Street Journal: killing or ousting Khamanei could lead to more radical, anti-Israel Iran.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Welp, far from overthrowing their regime as Nutbag Netanyahu called for Iranians to do after he attacked their nation, the Iranians (and others across the middle east) are rallying round the flag instead! By golly, who could have predicted that??

If you find this confusing you don't understand Iran. The only thing that keeps the Ayatollah in power is psychopathic brutality. At this point, everyone not in the regime hates the regime. Everyone with any connection to Iran knows this.

Once there's enough critical mass of revolts the army will switch side in an instant. Everyone knows this.

Iran has been on the precipice of falling apart for 15 years now. Revolts are increasing. The brutal responses are becoming increasingly brutal. Now, not even the regime believes in the regime. Its only a matter of time. Everyone knows it.

Its not likely to become democratic. It'll probably be some other dictator. That's the game being played now

FYI, Iranians don't have a problem with Israels strikes. Anything that fucks with the regime is welcome. That's how bad it is

You “know” so many things, don’t you? Yet we have seen throughout the history of human civilizations the same exact thing: When your nation is under attack from outside forces, the nation’s people rally round the flag no matter how reprehensible they find their government. That is exactly what is happening here.

If Trump is so stupid as to unconstitutionally get involved in this stupid war, it will blow up in his face and the whole thing will be another giant debacle like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Even in the unlikely event the mullahs were to be ousted, what comes after might even be worse than what we have now. The nation could descend into civil war, or, what is more likely, the Revolutionary Guard might take over and then really push for nuclear weapons.

I'm just friends with a lot of Iranians, and Israelis, Turks, Syrians and Palestinians. That's all

When has Trump ever done anything intelligent?

When Iran collapses the Kurds and Ballochs will likely try to become independent. It's likely going to be messy

 

[pood]

If the mullahs want to keep the U.S. out of the war, they should flatter Trump. This is a buffoon who thought Putin and North Korea’s leader were his BFFs.

They should say to Trump: “We recognize you as a wise, foresighted leader who has pledged to keep your country out of foreign wars.”

Then we’d have Trump giving a press conference:

“The mullahs are very, very fine people. They like me. I know the mullahs. I can deal with them. They’re strong people. They have to be strong because they run a shithole country. If they did’t rule bigly then the place would be totally out of control, like Haiti and Mexico and Puerto Rico. The people are rapists and murders and fentanyl smugglers. I assume there are a few good people there. So the mullahs have a tough job running the place. The mullahs like me. They’re very fine people.”

 

[pood]

Demented Don rambles on, after praise and flattery from Iran.

The mullahs are very fine people, You know, the Iranians are Arabs just like the Iraqis, and we know what a shithole Iraq is. In fact I think they’re the same country. Are they the same country? I don’t know, did Arnold Palmer ever visit the mullahs and show his wood to them? It’s really something that wood, even the late great Hannibal Lecter liked it. The mullahs like me. You know, China. They did an incredible ripping off this country, incredible. Putin. Very smart guy, really incredible. I’ve been talking about it a long time, frankly, a long time. So Biden was here for 47 years —eight years — and our highways are still in poor condition. The highways in Iran are good because of the mullahs. India. You know, Iran. They ayatollah wears a robe. It’s a very fine robe, Melania likes his robe. Melania. And they make rugs in Iran, very fine rugs, the best rugs. They’re called Parisian rugs. Paris. They eat brie in Paris. I’ve been to Paris. So now Bibi is bombing Iraq and frankly I think he should stop. STOP IT, BIBI!!! I don’t know what’s happened to Bibi. He’s really changed. The mullahs like me. Incredible, phenomenal job they’ve done in Iraq, or Iran or whatever … India.

 

[laughing dog]

Demented Don rambles on, after praise and flattery from Iran.

The mullahs are very fine people, You know, the Iranians are Arabs just like the Iraqis, and we know what a shithole Iraq is. In fact I think they’re the same country. Are they the same country? I don’t know, did Arnold Palmer ever visit the mullahs and show his wood to them? It’s really something that wood, even the late great Hannibal Lecter liked it. The mullahs like me. You know, China. They did an incredible ripping off this country, incredible. Putin. Very smart guy, really incredible. I’ve been talking about it a long time, frankly, a long time. So Biden was here for 47 years —eight years — and our highways are still in poor condition. The highways in Iran are good because of the mullahs. India. You know, Iran. They ayatollah wears a robe. It’s a very fine robe, Melania likes his robe. Melania. And they make rugs in Iran, very fine rugs, the best rugs. They’re called Parisian rugs. Paris. They eat brie in Paris. I’ve been to Paris. So now Bibi is bombing Iraq and frankly I think he should stop. STOP IT, BIBI!!! I don’t know what’s happened to Bibi. He’s really changed. They mullahs like me. Incredible, phenomenal job they’ve done in Iraq, or Iran or whatever … India.

The frightening thing about that satire is it is much more than a plausible ramble!

 

[ZiprHead]

Yes, a risk with taking action is that we sometimes fail. Its still not bad. And even a failure can have some desired effect. I think USA's willingness to fight against communism (I didn’t write freedom, because that isn't true) led to some developing countries focus more on building the economy rather than populism. There's no chance in hell Taiwan or South Korea would have moved away from authoritarianism if it wasn't for US intervention.

Who's this "we", Kemosabe?

 

[bilby]

Welp, far from overthrowing their regime as Nutbag Netanyahu called for Iranians to do after he attacked their nation, the Iranians (and others across the middle east) are rallying round the flag instead! By golly, who could have predicted that??

Nobody. It was completely impossible to predict.

Oh, wait:

Attacks directed at civillian populations have always made surrender less likely.

There's been a belief, amongst Generals and politicians, at least since the Great War, that the opposite is true, but it has never yet been demonstrated to be the case.

The Zeppelin raids of the Great War hardened British resolve; The Blitz did the same, as did the RAF and USAAF bombings of German cities to the resolve of the German people. In Vietnam, US targetting of the South Vietnamese civilian population to "root out" the VC just made more of the VC, and in Gaza right now, the most effective Hamas recruitment campaign is the actions of the IDF.

You can't bomb people into liking you.

The criminal 'strategic' bombing of Germany was caused partly by a desire for a way to strike back against an inaccessible enemy; And partly by a bizzare doctrine that held that bombing civillians lowered their will to continue the fight - a doctrine that was observably the exact opposite of the truth, and yet which remains a heartfelt belief to many even today.

As anyone who had toured the bombed out homes of Londoners could attest, you really cannot bomb people into submission. What you get from the survivors is defiance.

It's a well established fact that you cannot make people hate their leadership by bombing their country. Quite the reverse.

If you want citizen-driven regime change in another country, the second most counterproductive thing you can do is to bomb that country.

The only more counterproductive thing you could do is to invade.

Shit.

 

[pood]

 

[DrZoidberg]

Yes, a risk with taking action is that we sometimes fail. Its still not bad. And even a failure can have some desired effect. I think USA's willingness to fight against communism (I didn’t write freedom, because that isn't true) led to some developing countries focus more on building the economy rather than populism. There's no chance in hell Taiwan or South Korea would have moved away from authoritarianism if it wasn't for US intervention.

Who's this "we", Kemosabe?

Royal we. But good point. Europe had a free pass to suck immediately after ww2 because we were bombed to shit. But we don't have an excuse to suck now. But we still do