Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[DrZoidberg]

Does this sound like anyone we know?

Yep, that is just classic. The classic response of a rat caught in the trap, faced with all the evidence: YOU’RE AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!!

And yes, we all know who is doing that here.

But there is a disconnect. Most people in Europe seems to have swallowed the pro- Hamas propaganda fully. So we might say retarded things when interviewing Israelis. Like this guy

 

[pood]

Does this sound like anyone we know?

Yep, that is just classic. The classic response of a rat caught in the trap, faced with all the evidence: YOU’RE AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!!

And yes, we all know who is doing that here.

But there is a disconnect. Most people in Europe seems to have swallowed the pro- Hamas propaganda fully. So we might say retarded things when interviewing Israelis. Like this guy

Except this guy is talking about actual evidence from reliable sources that point to Israeli war crimes. He isn’t accusing this guy of anything — he is doing to the job of a journalist, citing sources and asking pointed questions.

When the guy gets all fake huffy and smirks his odious smirk and calls the guy an anti-Semite, that is a shoot the messenger strategy, and is always the refuge of people who have no defense — in this case accuse everyone of being an anti-Semite. The strategy is always the same, only the accusation changes: oppose the Vietnam War? You’re a commie! Oppose the Iraq War? You’re anti-American and pro-terrorist! And so on.

You do here, what that guy does in the video.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Does this sound like anyone we know?

Yep, that is just classic. The classic response of a rat caught in the trap, faced with all the evidence: YOU’RE AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!!

And yes, we all know who is doing that here.

But there is a disconnect. Most people in Europe seems to have swallowed the pro- Hamas propaganda fully. So we might say retarded things when interviewing Israelis. Like this guy

Except this guy is talking about actual evidence from reliable sources that point to Israeli war crimes. He isn’t accusing this guy of anything — he is doing to the job of a journalist, citing sources and asking pointed questions.

When the guy gets all fake huffy and smirks his odious smirk and calls the guy an anti-Semite, that is a shoot the messenger strategy, and is always the refuge of people who have no defense — in this case accuse everyone of being an anti-Semite. The strategy is always the same, only the accusation changes: oppose the Vietnam War? You’re a commie! Oppose the Iraq War? You’re anti-American and pro-terrorist! And so on.

You do here, what that guy does in the video.

I agree with the guy being interviewed. I would probably have said the same thing to the journalist.

 

[pood]

Does this sound like anyone we know?

Yep, that is just classic. The classic response of a rat caught in the trap, faced with all the evidence: YOU’RE AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!!

And yes, we all know who is doing that here.

But there is a disconnect. Most people in Europe seems to have swallowed the pro- Hamas propaganda fully. So we might say retarded things when interviewing Israelis. Like this guy

Except this guy is talking about actual evidence from reliable sources that point to Israeli war crimes. He isn’t accusing this guy of anything — he is doing to the job of a journalist, citing sources and asking pointed questions.

When the guy gets all fake huffy and smirks his odious smirk and calls the guy an anti-Semite, that is a shoot the messenger strategy, and is always the refuge of people who have no defense — in this case accuse everyone of being an anti-Semite. The strategy is always the same, only the accusation changes: oppose the Vietnam War? You’re a commie! Oppose the Iraq War? You’re anti-American and pro-terrorist! And so on.

You do here, what that guy does in the video.

I agree with the guy being interviewed. I would probably have said the same thing to the journalist

Right, because you’re just like him, and you behave in the same odious way here.

Perhaps you’d like to explain who a journalist who is citing sources and asking a question is anti-Semitic. Of course you can’t because it’s bullshit and you know it. But you don’t care, because you enjoy slurring others while rooting for war from behind the safety of your keyboard.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I would think the smart thing to do is for Trump to have told Netanyahu, "Okay I'll bomb these facilities but then that's it. You have no more reason for strikes on Iran".

Well, Iran has struck Tel Aviv again after the attack on the nuke sites and announced “for us, the war has begun.” They have also announced all Americans everywhere are legitimate targets.

On a practical level, they better be really fucking careful. One thing that all authoritarians understand is brute force, so Iran should understand this. Whether one thinks the U.S. is good or bad, the current Iranian regime signs its own death warrant should they do what they're threatening to do. Trump is an authoritarian with unlimited powers to do what he wants. He wanted to hit Iran, so he did.

As for all this talk of "unconstitutional" well yeah, but so what? In his first term we found out just how flaccid the Constitution is when an entire party chooses to ignore it. There will be no consequences for Trump and no protests are going to make the slightest bit of difference. They're performative at best.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I would think the smart thing to do is for Trump to have told Netanyahu, "Okay I'll bomb these facilities but then that's it. You have no more reason for strikes on Iran".

Well, Iran has struck Tel Aviv again after the attack on the nuke sites and announced “for us, the war has begun.” They have also announced all Americans everywhere are legitimate targets.

On a practical level, they better be really fucking careful. One thing that all authoritarians understand is brute force, so Iran should understand this. Whether one thinks the U.S. is good or bad, the current Iranian regime signs its own death warrant should they do what they're threatening to do.

With respect, I don't think this is really how things work. I think there has already been a plan. The goal was control and subjugation of Iran, regime change as a contingency, and that contingency was probably decided weeks ago. The posturing and saber-rattling by either side is more about changing public perceptions and justifications internationally. So when Trump says this was just a one-off and if Iran comes to the table, we can have peace, he really means, "Look, everyone, Iran is unwilling to come to the table, so we are going to bomb them again and take out the leadership." I am basing this on an extrapolation of previous patterns, from back on ~11 June, Trump ordered non-essential people and military families out of the Middle East, like out of Kuwait and Iraq, which was preparation for the blowback.

Trump is an authoritarian with unlimited powers to do what he wants. He wanted to hit Iran, so he did.

True.

As for all this talk of "unconstitutional" well yeah, but so what? In his first term we found out just how flaccid the Constitution is when an entire party chooses to ignore it. There will be no consequences for Trump and no protests are going to make the slightest bit of difference. They're performative at best.

Possibly true about the protests, but also true about voting, which we will find out about after it is too late, i.e., he is fundamentally changing how voting works and the elections. For now, the Republican-led Congress will give him some emergency leeway that he will expand beyond their limits, both for "intervention" and for his domestic agenda against residents.

 

[ZiprHead]

There is a thread for the US/Iran activities here.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Does this sound like anyone we know?

Yep, that is just classic. The classic response of a rat caught in the trap, faced with all the evidence: YOU’RE AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!!

And yes, we all know who is doing that here.

But there is a disconnect. Most people in Europe seems to have swallowed the pro- Hamas propaganda fully. So we might say retarded things when interviewing Israelis. Like this guy

Except this guy is talking about actual evidence from reliable sources that point to Israeli war crimes. He isn’t accusing this guy of anything — he is doing to the job of a journalist, citing sources and asking pointed questions.

When the guy gets all fake huffy and smirks his odious smirk and calls the guy an anti-Semite, that is a shoot the messenger strategy, and is always the refuge of people who have no defense — in this case accuse everyone of being an anti-Semite. The strategy is always the same, only the accusation changes: oppose the Vietnam War? You’re a commie! Oppose the Iraq War? You’re anti-American and pro-terrorist! And so on.

You do here, what that guy does in the video.

I agree with the guy being interviewed. I would probably have said the same thing to the journalist

Right, because you’re just like him, and you behave in the same odious way here.

Perhaps you’d like to explain who a journalist who is citing sources and asking a question is anti-Semitic. Of course you can’t because it’s bullshit and you know it. But you don’t care, because you enjoy slurring others while rooting for war from behind the safety of your keyboard.

Calling it genocide is absurd. And hateful. To me its a question of morals and doing what is right.

I don't enjoy slurring others. Antisemitism makes me upset. As does any hatred. Right now we have a sharp rise in Antisemitism and, I think, it's more important than ever that, we who has a functioning moral compas, speak up.

That's all.

I think those who defend Hamas and Iran are on the wrong side of history. I think they should be ashamed of themselves.

Pretending that Hamas can be defeated without bloodshed is so dumb, that I have a hard time believing those who say it, do it purely out of ignorance. Its just too bizarre. Its not like Hamas' tactics are a secret. Least secret conspiracy in history

Israel isn't perfect. There's plenty of problems with it. But it's not a malicious nation hellbent on destroying its neighbours. Like Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas

 

[NoHolyCows]

Calling it genocide is absurd. And hateful. To me its a question of morals and doing what is right.

I don't enjoy slurring others. Antisemitism makes me upset. As does any hatred. Right now we have a sharp rise in Antisemitism and, I think, it's more important than ever that, we who has a functioning moral compas, speak up.

That's all.

I think those who defend Hamas and Iran are on the wrong side of history. I think they should be ashamed of themselves.

Pretending that Hamas can be defeated without bloodshed is so dumb, that I have a hard time believing those who say it, do it purely out of ignorance. Its just too bizarre. Its not like Hamas' tactics are a secret. Least secret conspiracy in history

Israel isn't perfect. There's plenty of problems with it. But it's not a malicious nation hellbent on destroying its neighbours. Like Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas

What you’ve written isn’t a moral stance. It’s a moral shield—one used to deflect accountability behind the language of hurt feelings and tribal loyalty.

Calling what’s happening in Gaza genocide isn’t “absurd” or “hateful.” What’s absurd is pretending that the mass displacement, deliberate starvation, bombing of civilians, destruction of hospitals, and obstruction of humanitarian aid—openly documented by the UN, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, and even Israeli sources—is just war as usual. Genocide is not defined by how offended you are. It’s defined by intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group. That’s a legal threshold—not a vibe check.

You say antisemitism makes you upset. Good. It should. But invoking antisemitism to shut down criticism of a state’s war crimes is not protecting Jews—it’s weaponizing Jewish identity to shield state violence. That’s not solidarity. That’s complicity. If your moral compass only points north when it’s your side suffering, it’s not a compass. It’s a mirror.

No one here is defending Hamas or Iran. That’s the oldest bad-faith move in the book: equating criticism of Israeli policy with endorsement of its enemies. It’s lazy, it’s dishonest, and it’s meant to silence—not to clarify. Opposing Hamas does not require blind loyalty to everything Israel does. And if your definition of being on the “right side of history” requires ignoring war crimes so long as they’re wrapped in your flag, then you’re not on the right side of history—you’re on the side of selective outrage.

You say defeating Hamas can’t be done without bloodshed. Fine. No one is saying it can. But bloodshed is not a blank check. There are rules. There are laws. And there are limits. You don’t get to flatten cities, starve families, and erase entire neighborhoods and then cry foul when the world calls that what it is. War is not a justification for abandoning humanity. It’s the reason those laws were written in the first place.

You admit Israel isn’t perfect—but then you spend every word pretending it’s blameless. You talk about Hamas’s tactics, but refuse to address that Israel has killed over 30,000 people, most of them civilians, including aid workers, children, and doctors. You call Iran “malicious” for supporting proxy violence, but ignore that Israel receives billions in weapons annually and uses them to collectively punish an occupied people.

This isn’t about whether Israel has a right to defend itself. It’s about how far it goes—and how many corpses you’re willing to stack to call that defense.

You end by saying it’s a matter of morals. You’re right. And morality doesn’t stop at borders. It doesn’t stop at religion. And it doesn’t excuse the mass killing of civilians just because the flag is blue and white.

If you want to speak from moral high ground, then act like it.

Because morality without accountability isn’t morality.

It’s propaganda with better PR.

NHC

 

[pood]

Does this sound like anyone we know?

Yep, that is just classic. The classic response of a rat caught in the trap, faced with all the evidence: YOU’RE AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!!

And yes, we all know who is doing that here.

But there is a disconnect. Most people in Europe seems to have swallowed the pro- Hamas propaganda fully. So we might say retarded things when interviewing Israelis. Like this guy

Except this guy is talking about actual evidence from reliable sources that point to Israeli war crimes. He isn’t accusing this guy of anything — he is doing to the job of a journalist, citing sources and asking pointed questions.

When the guy gets all fake huffy and smirks his odious smirk and calls the guy an anti-Semite, that is a shoot the messenger strategy, and is always the refuge of people who have no defense — in this case accuse everyone of being an anti-Semite. The strategy is always the same, only the accusation changes: oppose the Vietnam War? You’re a commie! Oppose the Iraq War? You’re anti-American and pro-terrorist! And so on.

You do here, what that guy does in the video.

I agree with the guy being interviewed. I would probably have said the same thing to the journalist

Right, because you’re just like him, and you behave in the same odious way here.

Perhaps you’d like to explain who a journalist who is citing sources and asking a question is anti-Semitic. Of course you can’t because it’s bullshit and you know it. But you don’t care, because you enjoy slurring others while rooting for war from behind the safety of your keyboard.

Calling it genocide is absurd. And hateful. To me its a question of morals and doing what is right.

You didn’t answer the question, unsurprisingly.

I don't enjoy slurring others.

Sure you do.

Antisemitism makes me upset.

Me, too.

As does any hatred.

No, it doesn’t

Right now we have a sharp rise in Antisemitism and, I think, it's more important than ever that, we who has a functioning moral compas, speak up.

Yes, I am totally opposed to antisemitism. Criticizing Israel is not antisemitism.

That's all.

I don’t think so.

I think those who defend Hamas and Iran are on the wrong side of history. I think they should be ashamed of themselves.

Except no one here is defending Hamas or Iran. Stopping slurring people.

Pretending that Hamas can be defeated without bloodshed is so dumb, that I have a hard time believing those who say it, do it purely out of ignorance. Its just too bizarre. Its not like Hamas' tactics are a secret. Least secret conspiracy in history

Israel has been using violence against groups like Hamas and Palestinians in general since 1948 and here we still are.

Israel isn't perfect. There's plenty of problems with it. But it's not a malicious nation hellbent on destroying its neighbours. Like Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas

It is definitely hellbent on destroying Gaza.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Calling it genocide is absurd. And hateful. To me its a question of morals and doing what is right.

I don't enjoy slurring others. Antisemitism makes me upset. As does any hatred. Right now we have a sharp rise in Antisemitism and, I think, it's more important than ever that, we who has a functioning moral compas, speak up.

That's all.

I think those who defend Hamas and Iran are on the wrong side of history. I think they should be ashamed of themselves.

Pretending that Hamas can be defeated without bloodshed is so dumb, that I have a hard time believing those who say it, do it purely out of ignorance. Its just too bizarre. Its not like Hamas' tactics are a secret. Least secret conspiracy in history

Israel isn't perfect. There's plenty of problems with it. But it's not a malicious nation hellbent on destroying its neighbours. Like Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas

What you’ve written isn’t a moral stance. It’s a moral shield—one used to deflect accountability behind the language of hurt feelings and tribal loyalty.

Calling what’s happening in Gaza genocide isn’t “absurd” or “hateful.” What’s absurd is pretending that the mass displacement, deliberate starvation, bombing of civilians, destruction of hospitals, and obstruction of humanitarian aid—openly documented by the UN, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, and even Israeli sources—is just war as usual. Genocide is not defined by how offended you are. It’s defined by intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group. That’s a legal threshold—not a vibe check.

You say antisemitism makes you upset. Good. It should. But invoking antisemitism to shut down criticism of a state’s war crimes is not protecting Jews—it’s weaponizing Jewish identity to shield state violence. That’s not solidarity. That’s complicity. If your moral compass only points north when it’s your side suffering, it’s not a compass. It’s a mirror.

No one here is defending Hamas or Iran. That’s the oldest bad-faith move in the book: equating criticism of Israeli policy with endorsement of its enemies. It’s lazy, it’s dishonest, and it’s meant to silence—not to clarify. Opposing Hamas does not require blind loyalty to everything Israel does. And if your definition of being on the “right side of history” requires ignoring war crimes so long as they’re wrapped in your flag, then you’re not on the right side of history—you’re on the side of selective outrage.

You say defeating Hamas can’t be done without bloodshed. Fine. No one is saying it can. But bloodshed is not a blank check. There are rules. There are laws. And there are limits. You don’t get to flatten cities, starve families, and erase entire neighborhoods and then cry foul when the world calls that what it is. War is not a justification for abandoning humanity. It’s the reason those laws were written in the first place.

You admit Israel isn’t perfect—but then you spend every word pretending it’s blameless. You talk about Hamas’s tactics, but refuse to address that Israel has killed over 30,000 people, most of them civilians, including aid workers, children, and doctors. You call Iran “malicious” for supporting proxy violence, but ignore that Israel receives billions in weapons annually and uses them to collectively punish an occupied people.

This isn’t about whether Israel has a right to defend itself. It’s about how far it goes—and how many corpses you’re willing to stack to call that defense.

You end by saying it’s a matter of morals. You’re right. And morality doesn’t stop at borders. It doesn’t stop at religion. And it doesn’t excuse the mass killing of civilians just because the flag is blue and white.

If you want to speak from moral high ground, then act like it.

Because morality without accountability isn’t morality.

It’s propaganda with better PR.

NHC

Get off your high horse. Your moral stance would doom us all to be slaves under amoral authoritarian regimes. If the liberal regimes (ie pro democracy) aren't willing to fight for what we believe in we will lose it.

Hand wringing and clinging to impossibly high moral standards (which you are doing) would condemn us all to passivity and helplessness. Its not being a good person. Its being an enabler of evil

 

[DrZoidberg]

Does this sound like anyone we know?

Yep, that is just classic. The classic response of a rat caught in the trap, faced with all the evidence: YOU’RE AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!!

And yes, we all know who is doing that here.

But there is a disconnect. Most people in Europe seems to have swallowed the pro- Hamas propaganda fully. So we might say retarded things when interviewing Israelis. Like this guy

Except this guy is talking about actual evidence from reliable sources that point to Israeli war crimes. He isn’t accusing this guy of anything — he is doing to the job of a journalist, citing sources and asking pointed questions.

When the guy gets all fake huffy and smirks his odious smirk and calls the guy an anti-Semite, that is a shoot the messenger strategy, and is always the refuge of people who have no defense — in this case accuse everyone of being an anti-Semite. The strategy is always the same, only the accusation changes: oppose the Vietnam War? You’re a commie! Oppose the Iraq War? You’re anti-American and pro-terrorist! And so on.

You do here, what that guy does in the video.

I agree with the guy being interviewed. I would probably have said the same thing to the journalist

Right, because you’re just like him, and you behave in the same odious way here.

Perhaps you’d like to explain who a journalist who is citing sources and asking a question is anti-Semitic. Of course you can’t because it’s bullshit and you know it. But you don’t care, because you enjoy slurring others while rooting for war from behind the safety of your keyboard.

Calling it genocide is absurd. And hateful. To me its a question of morals and doing what is right.

You didn’t answer the question, unsurprisingly.

Isreal is trying to destroy Hamas. Not the Palestinian people. That makes it NOT genocide

I don't enjoy slurring others.

Sure you do.

Antisemitism makes me upset.

Me, too.

I have gotten another impression of you.

As does any hatred.

No, it doesn’t

Right now we have a sharp rise in Antisemitism and, I think, it's more important than ever that, we who has a functioning moral compas, speak up.

Yes, I am totally opposed to antisemitism. Criticizing Israel is not antisemitism.

I agree

That's all.

I don’t think so.

I think those who defend Hamas and Iran are on the wrong side of history. I think they should be ashamed of themselves.

Except no one here is defending Hamas or Iran. Stopping slurring people.

If you criticise Israel for doing what is necessary to destroy Hamas, you are defending Hamas and in extension Iran.

The fact that Hamas has created a situation where Israel needs to go through Palestinian civilians to get to Hamas, I think, should make a person with a working moral compas to destroy Hamas more. Not less

Pretending that Hamas can be defeated without bloodshed is so dumb, that I have a hard time believing those who say it, do it purely out of ignorance. Its just too bizarre. Its not like Hamas' tactics are a secret. Least secret conspiracy in history

Israel has been using violence against groups like Hamas and Palestinians in general since 1948 and here we still are.

Israel has been in the past been incredibly tolerant. When up against Islamofascist regimes (ie, like any fascist regime) they won't play by the rules of engagement. They won't respect any convention or human rights.

Israel is the only player in the middle east making any effort to respect human rights, or any personal freedoms.

Palestinians living in Israel makes many times more money than Palestinians in Jordan or Gaza. Or Iran. Because it's to only middle Eastern country where Palestinians have any freedom.

Israel has been using violence against their extremist opponents because if they didn't they'd be wiped out. They've so far been impressively wise about how they use force, imho.

Israel isn't perfect. There's plenty of problems with it. But it's not a malicious nation hellbent on destroying its neighbours. Like Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas

It is definitely hellbent on destroying Gaza.

And you wonder why I think you might be Antisemitic?

 

[DrZoidberg]

I think people around the world are incredibly naive when it comes to Iran. We don't want people, who don't care about their own survival, or the survival of anyone, to get nuclear weapons.

US strikes on Iran trigger protests internationally

Demonstrators take to the streets in France, Pakistan, Greece and the Philippines to condemn the military action.

www.bbc.com

 

[DrZoidberg]

Palestinians who are Israeli citizens enjoy more rights than Jews (in Israel). They are not oppressed. Not marginalised. Not targeted.

Not only that, but Israeli Palestinians enjoy the most rights and freedoms than anywhere else in the Middle-East. They're a prosperous group. They are also very often Muslim extremists and allowed to express their opinions

Muslim is anywhere else in the Middle-East must say what the regime wants them to say or they face brutal reprisals from their governments.

If Israel was trying to exterminate Palestinians, why aren't they starting with the Palestinians at home.

I doubt any Palestinians in Israel think Israel is committing genocide? Why? They're also sick and tired of all the Islamist violence in Israel that also target them personally (by virtue of living in Israel)

 

[ZiprHead]

Palestinians who are Israeli citizens enjoy more rights than Jews (in Israel). They are not oppressed. Not marginalised. Not targeted.

See a doctor. You are clearly insane.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Palestinians who are Israeli citizens enjoy more rights than Jews (in Israel). They are not oppressed. Not marginalised. Not targeted.

See a doctor. You are clearly insane.

This is the problem. The amount of bullshit propaganda that gets cabled out over the Internet makes people believe crazy shit about Israel.

Good luck getting into the Dome of the Rock if you're a Jew. It's controlled by Israel. Guarded by IDF. Off limits to Jews. It's the most sacred site of Judaism. In spite of this, Israel allows Muslims to have this to themselves. That's a pretty powerful gesture of good faith. This gesture is not missed by Palestinians living in Israel. Also... Palestinians are not forced to do military service in the IDF. Jews are. Many Palestinians serve anyway. But they're not conscripted. They have the same rights and privileges. There's govornment funded university grants set aside for Palestinians.

The problem with believing the lies, is that it makes it much harder to fix the actual problems in Israel. And since people keep accusing Israel of loony bullshit, the accused Israelis might jump to the conclusion that the accuser is an antisemite... making it even harder... to solve the many actual problems in Israel.

 

[NoHolyCows]

Get off your high horse. Your moral stance would doom us all to be slaves under amoral authoritarian regimes. If the liberal regimes (ie pro democracy) aren't willing to fight for what we believe in we will lose it.

Hand wringing and clinging to impossibly high moral standards (which you are doing) would condemn us all to passivity and helplessness. Its not being a good person. Its being an enabler of evil

You talk like the U.S. during the War on Terror—saying we had to defend freedom, then torturing detainees, drone-striking weddings, and invading Iraq based on lies. That wasn’t strength. It was a moral collapse disguised as strategy.

Did we stop terrorism that way? No. We radicalized entire regions, destroyed our credibility, and made the world more dangerous. That’s the cost of “fighting evil” by abandoning principle.

Clinging to moral limits isn’t passivity—it’s what keeps democracies from becoming what they claim to fight. If you think we save civilization by bombing it into submission, you haven’t learned a thing from history.

NHC

 

[laughing dog]

Isreal is trying to destroy Hamas. Not the Palestinian people. That makes it NOT genocide

If the destruction of Hamas entails killing most of the Gazan population, then it is genocide of Gazans.

I don’t think Israel is engaging in genocide at this time.

Right now we have a sharp rise in Antisemitism and, I think, it's more important than ever that, we who has a functioning moral compas, speak up.

People with functioning moral compasses are speaking up and you call them antisemites or defenders of Hamas. Everyone has a functioning moral compass. Moral compasses differ, but none of the those whom you call antisemitic or Hamas apologists defend the killing of any civilian or creating famines. Unlike you and others who defend the killing of thousands of civilians and the blockading food and medical supplies to a desperate civilian population.

So, call me anti-semtic because I do not share your sociopathic moral compass.

If you criticise Israel for doing what is necessary to destroy Hamas, you are defending Hamas and in extension Iran.

Even granting the dubious premise of your claim, your conclusion does not logically follow from the premise.

Israel isn't perfect. There's plenty of problems with it. But it's not a malicious nation hellbent on destroying its neighbours. Like Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas

It is definitely hellbent on destroying Gaza.

And you wonder why I think you might be Antisemitic?

Israel has already made most of Gaza uninhabitable. That is an observable fact. Stating that fact does not make one Antisemitic, it makes one a realist.

But no one familiar with the contents of this thread wonders why you fling such predictable slurs

 

[pood]

Does this sound like anyone we know?

Yep, that is just classic. The classic response of a rat caught in the trap, faced with all the evidence: YOU’RE AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!!

And yes, we all know who is doing that here.

But there is a disconnect. Most people in Europe seems to have swallowed the pro- Hamas propaganda fully. So we might say retarded things when interviewing Israelis. Like this guy

Except this guy is talking about actual evidence from reliable sources that point to Israeli war crimes. He isn’t accusing this guy of anything — he is doing to the job of a journalist, citing sources and asking pointed questions.

When the guy gets all fake huffy and smirks his odious smirk and calls the guy an anti-Semite, that is a shoot the messenger strategy, and is always the refuge of people who have no defense — in this case accuse everyone of being an anti-Semite. The strategy is always the same, only the accusation changes: oppose the Vietnam War? You’re a commie! Oppose the Iraq War? You’re anti-American and pro-terrorist! And so on.

You do here, what that guy does in the video.

I agree with the guy being interviewed. I would probably have said the same thing to the journalist

Right, because you’re just like him, and you behave in the same odious way here.

Perhaps you’d like to explain who a journalist who is citing sources and asking a question is anti-Semitic. Of course you can’t because it’s bullshit and you know it. But you don’t care, because you enjoy slurring others while rooting for war from behind the safety of your keyboard.

Calling it genocide is absurd. And hateful. To me its a question of morals and doing what is right.

You didn’t answer the question, unsurprisingly.

Isreal is trying to destroy Hamas. Not the Palestinian people. That makes it NOT genocide

First, this still does not answer the question I asked.

Second, if destroying Hamas, which they have not done, entails displacing or killing vast numbers of Palestinians, those are war crimes, which is why there is a warrant out for Netanyahu’s arrest. Forced displacement alone, without starvation or killing, is a war crime.

I don't enjoy slurring others.

Sure you do.

Antisemitism makes me upset.

Me, too.

I have gotten another impression of you.

As does any hatred.

No, it doesn’t

Right now we have a sharp rise in Antisemitism and, I think, it's more important than ever that, we who has a functioning moral compas, speak up.

Yes, I am totally opposed to antisemitism. Criticizing Israel is not antisemitism.

I agree

That's all.

I don’t think so.

I think those who defend Hamas and Iran are on the wrong side of history. I think they should be ashamed of themselves.

Except no one here is defending Hamas or Iran. Stopping slurring people.

If you criticise Israel for doing what is necessary to destroy Hamas, you are defending Hamas and in extension Iran.

The fact that Hamas has created a situation where Israel needs to go through Palestinian civilians to get to Hamas, I think, should make a person with a working moral compas to destroy Hamas more. Not less

Pretending that Hamas can be defeated without bloodshed is so dumb, that I have a hard time believing those who say it, do it purely out of ignorance. Its just too bizarre. Its not like Hamas' tactics are a secret. Least secret conspiracy in history

Israel has been using violence against groups like Hamas and Palestinians in general since 1948 and here we still are.

Israel has been in the past been incredibly tolerant. When up against Islamofascist regimes (ie, like any fascist regime) they won't play by the rules of engagement. They won't respect any convention or human rights.

Israel is the only player in the middle east making any effort to respect human rights, or any personal freedoms.

Palestinians living in Israel makes many times more money than Palestinians in Jordan or Gaza. Or Iran. Because it's to only middle Eastern country where Palestinians have any freedom.

Israel has been using violence against their extremist opponents because if they didn't they'd be wiped out. They've so far been impressively wise about how they use force, imho.

Israel isn't perfect. There's plenty of problems with it. But it's not a malicious nation hellbent on destroying its neighbours. Like Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas

It is definitely hellbent on destroying Gaza.

And you wonder why I think you might be Antisemitic?

No, you don’t think I’m antisemitic. You must have read all the posts I and others have made condemning Hamas. You just enjoy slandering others as antisemitic, while rooting for war behind the safety of your keyboard.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Get off your high horse. Your moral stance would doom us all to be slaves under amoral authoritarian regimes. If the liberal regimes (ie pro democracy) aren't willing to fight for what we believe in we will lose it.

Hand wringing and clinging to impossibly high moral standards (which you are doing) would condemn us all to passivity and helplessness. Its not being a good person. Its being an enabler of evil

You talk like the U.S. during the War on Terror—saying we had to defend freedom, then torturing detainees, drone-striking weddings, and invading Iraq based on lies. That wasn’t strength. It was a moral collapse disguised as strategy.

Did we stop terrorism that way? No. We radicalized entire regions, destroyed our credibility, and made the world more dangerous. That’s the cost of “fighting evil” by abandoning principle.

Clinging to moral limits isn’t passivity—it’s what keeps democracies from becoming what they claim to fight. If you think we save civilization by bombing it into submission, you haven’t learned a thing from history.

NHC

Let's agree to disagree. I'd just prefer it if more in the west are willing to fight for our democratic freedoms.

Or as an Iranian friend said recently, right now Europe doesn't deserve its freedoms. We seem to prefer cruising on the work of our ancestors and whine pathetically about the state of the world.

Yes, some times interventions fail. That doesn't mean it wasn't worth it. Dictators need to fear the free world. Or we are fucked