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"Transgenders" are like "illegal immigrants" and "dangerous vaccines". A problem that is being concocted to distract some of the public.

Male bovine excrement. The problem transgenders cause women is not concocted.
It is the later 21st century "gay agenda".

Teen/college aged girls need to worry a million times more about drugs being slipped into their drink, being encouraged to get drunk, manipulated/pressured by straight males for sex than a transgender beating them in an athletic event or attacking them in a locker room. That doesn't mean the later isn't a risk, but rather it is a much smaller risk that people like you are being so easily triggered to go all foamy at the mouth over.
 
"Transgenders" are like "illegal immigrants" and "dangerous vaccines". A problem that is being concocted to distract some of the public.

Male bovine excrement. The problem transgenders cause women is not concocted.
It is the later 21st century "gay agenda".

Teen/college aged girls need to worry a million times more about drugs being slipped into their drink, being encouraged to get drunk, manipulated/pressured by straight males for sex than a transgender beating them in an athletic event or attacking them in a locker room. That doesn't mean the later isn't a risk, but rather it is a much smaller risk that people like you are being so easily triggered to go all foamy at the mouth over.

Teen/college girls also worry about their sports opportunities being forfeit to mediocre male athletes, their college scholarships given to males and a whole slew of other problems as life progresses. These are not concocted problems, they are real problems that you chose to ignore, handwave away or deflect. What is concocted by you is that anyone that dare say anything about it is triggered and foaming at the mouth. The people who actually do get triggered and get all foamy at the mouth are trans, trans activists and their useful idiots (like you) who run around screaming and threatening women that speak out about it.
 
"Transgenders" are like "illegal immigrants" and "dangerous vaccines". A problem that is being concocted to distract some of the public.

Male bovine excrement. The problem transgenders cause women is not concocted.
It is the later 21st century "gay agenda".

Teen/college aged girls need to worry a million times more about drugs being slipped into their drink, being encouraged to get drunk, manipulated/pressured by straight males for sex than a transgender beating them in an athletic event or attacking them in a locker room. That doesn't mean the later isn't a risk, but rather it is a much smaller risk that people like you are being so easily triggered to go all foamy at the mouth over.
Teen/college girls also worry about their sports opportunities being forfeit to mediocre male athletes, their college scholarships given to males and a whole slew of other problems as life progresses.
No, they don't. They almost exclusively have to worry about other female talents they compete against.
What is concocted by you is that anyone that dare say anything about it is triggered and foaming at the mouth.
I apologize that you were offended when I pointed out all the foam around your mouth over an issue that is so much smaller than all the large scale ones women deal with across their lives. It is also hard to take you seriously, when it comes to women's rights, as the people you typically support put forth the judges that gave us Dobbs which certainly has impacted women's lives more than transgender concerns.
 
"Transgenders" are like "illegal immigrants" and "dangerous vaccines". A problem that is being concocted to distract some of the public.

Male bovine excrement. The problem transgenders cause women is not concocted.
It is the later 21st century "gay agenda".

Teen/college aged girls need to worry a million times more about drugs being slipped into their drink, being encouraged to get drunk, manipulated/pressured by straight males for sex than a transgender beating them in an athletic event or attacking them in a locker room. That doesn't mean the later isn't a risk, but rather it is a much smaller risk that people like you are being so easily triggered to go all foamy at the mouth over.
Teen/college girls also worry about their sports opportunities being forfeit to mediocre male athletes, their college scholarships given to males and a whole slew of other problems as life progresses.
No, they don't. They almost exclusively have to worry about other female talents they compete against.

It's a problem and you don't get to wave it away.

I apologize that you were offended {snip}

No need to apologize, I wasn't offended.
 
"Transgenders" are like "illegal immigrants" and "dangerous vaccines". A problem that is being concocted to distract some of the public.

Male bovine excrement. The problem transgenders cause women is not concocted.
It is the later 21st century "gay agenda".

Teen/college aged girls need to worry a million times more about drugs being slipped into their drink, being encouraged to get drunk, manipulated/pressured by straight males for sex than a transgender beating them in an athletic event or attacking them in a locker room. That doesn't mean the later isn't a risk, but rather it is a much smaller risk that people like you are being so easily triggered to go all foamy at the mouth over.
Teen/college girls also worry about their sports opportunities being forfeit to mediocre male athletes, their college scholarships given to males and a whole slew of other problems as life progresses.
No, they don't. They almost exclusively have to worry about other female talents they compete against.

It's a problem and you don't get to wave it away.
It's a tiny problem in comparison to other risks women have to face.
Fewer than 10 transgender women participate in NCAA sports, out of over 500,000 student-athletes. This estimate was provided by NCAA President Charlie Baker during a congressional hearing in December. The NCAA has been grappling with the issue of transgender athletes' participation in women's sports, with some advocating for inclusion and others citing fairness and safety concerns.

 
"Transgenders" are like "illegal immigrants" and "dangerous vaccines". A problem that is being concocted to distract some of the public.

Male bovine excrement. The problem transgenders cause women is not concocted.
It is the later 21st century "gay agenda".

Teen/college aged girls need to worry a million times more about drugs being slipped into their drink, being encouraged to get drunk, manipulated/pressured by straight males for sex than a transgender beating them in an athletic event or attacking them in a locker room. That doesn't mean the later isn't a risk, but rather it is a much smaller risk that people like you are being so easily triggered to go all foamy at the mouth over.
Teen/college girls also worry about their sports opportunities being forfeit to mediocre male athletes, their college scholarships given to males and a whole slew of other problems as life progresses.
No, they don't. They almost exclusively have to worry about other female talents they compete against.
It's a problem and you don't get to wave it away.
I haven't waved it away. I have filed it under the appropriate folder of magnitude of issues that impact women. I've been clear how I feel on this subject in this thread. You don't read posts, so I get that you would have missed it.

You've mocked "rape culture", you've mocked women marching for their rights, but are on the front lines to protect women from transgenders. Some would consider your concern as fraudulent.
I apologize that you were offended {snip}
No need to apologize, I wasn't offended.
It's okay to admit you are easily triggered by media. Getting over the denial is the first step towards recovery and becoming rational regarding risk assessment.

Of course, you'd need to have non-fraudulent concerns about women's rights and privacy in the first place.
 
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"Transgenders" are like "illegal immigrants" and "dangerous vaccines". A problem that is being concocted to distract some of the public.

Male bovine excrement. The problem transgenders cause women is not concocted.
It is the later 21st century "gay agenda".

Teen/college aged girls need to worry a million times more about drugs being slipped into their drink, being encouraged to get drunk, manipulated/pressured by straight males for sex than a transgender beating them in an athletic event or attacking them in a locker room. That doesn't mean the later isn't a risk, but rather it is a much smaller risk that people like you are being so easily triggered to go all foamy at the mouth over.
Teen/college girls also worry about their sports opportunities being forfeit to mediocre male athletes, their college scholarships given to males and a whole slew of other problems as life progresses.
No, they don't. They almost exclusively have to worry about other female talents they compete against.
It's a problem and you don't get to wave it away.
I haven't waved it away.

You very much did by trying to deflect.

I apologize that you were offended {snip}
No need to apologize, I wasn't offended.
It's okay to admit you are easily triggered by media. {snip}

I am never triggered by media, silly goose.
 
It's a tiny problem in comparison to other risks women have to face.
So, if the NCAA requires competitors in the women's division to be cis-women it would negatively affect less than 10 people. But positively affect all their competitors who don't have the advantage of a male physique.
Sounds like a no brainer to me.
Why is it hard for so many people to grasp?
Tom
 
I haven't waved it away.
You very much did by trying to deflect.
Naw, you'd be the one deflecting things like rape. You are such an inspiration to women, their rights, and their privacy.
It's okay to admit you are easily triggered by media. {snip}
I am never triggered by media, silly goose.
Dude, you are so triggered, you are arguing with a person who doesn't support direct competition of transgender athletes with women or transgenders in women's private spaces.
 
I haven't waved it away.
You very much did by trying to deflect.
Naw, you'd be the one deflecting things like rape. {snip}

I never said anything about rape, deflector-in-chief.

It's okay to admit you are easily triggered by media. {snip}
I am never triggered by media, silly goose.
Dude, you are so triggered, {snip}

I am correcting your repeated falsehood about me being triggered by the media, "dude".
 
I want to clarify: Do you see intersex individuals as disabled?

Do you see individuals with dwarfism as disabled?

A side bar: I think a major difference between people in this discussion is that some view the world as a set of dichotomies and some view the world as a continuum, not either or but maybe both or neither or something else altogether. Or another way of describing it is that some people view the world as black or white. Others see an entire rainbow. Just an observation.
I think you nailed it here.

And note that if you see the world as binary you're pretty much left with considering the other cases disabled.

I find the closer you look the more you find a continuum. From a distance things clump into a few points, but up close you find they're not all the same.
Yeah, she did. To elaborate, to me it's more like an *encoded* color:

Look at an RGB value; things don't have only one frequency, in that sometimes they emit different subsets of the spectrum in different combinations; something isn't just a single color temperature, it can be both "blue" and "red" without being "green" at all, and then it looks "purple".

Sure, you can express it with a spectrum position or ring position and a brightness, but even then you have two or three values (the zero mapping, the brightness, and the hue offset).

It's not really just one spectral dimension at all, not a scale between ends but a combination of related objects in different extents.

I would see it more as genitals having two or three sliders, one from penis to vagina, one from big to small, etc; then for the gonads another set of sliders, one from inny to outie, one from hangs-low to "bounce a quarter off it", one from T to E, one from sperms to eggs, and so on; in the brain, more sliders still.

Most "sliders" would have "snap points", but more that the transitions between large regions are "sudden", making it rare or unlikely to land on their critical regions.

The genital "sliders" usually end up all mostly to one side or the other, because there's strong pressure to do so; nothing else works, reproductively, physically, and it's just exceedingly unlikely (absent technological developments) for a new model to arise, so pressure keeps the model more or less coherent in most deployments, but that pressure only extends to the exact mechanisms of the genital tract, and only insofar as new *reproductive* models will not be generated easily... It says nothing about the sliders of the brain.

That's the big thing here, with regards to "men" and "women". Genitals aren't brains. They don't drive around your body or have the capability to provide nuanced communication; they have 3-4 messenger molecules that stay fairly constant for people who produce testosterone, and which vary in a cycle for people who ovulate.

One message says "I might be producing sperms; do things to deploy them", one pair says "I dun got an egg ready, do things to deploy it," depending on ratio, and that's about it.

We can shut off those messages, or change them. Other inferences on that basic information can be made, but that's the gist.

Everything downstream of those is owing to brain hardware and interaction with associated memes, not genital hardware.

And since it doesn't interfere with the strict "ability" to have kids, the brain systems are naturally going to be under a lot less pressure to only turn out one of two ways.

While the genitals have two plateaus of stability that are under selection pressure to match, the brain has far less pressure to be bimodal. While it helps when most members of such a species can reproduce, it's far less expensive in terms of risk for brains to have default non-reproductive behavioral mechanisms, and there is plenty of room for "third way" or even "fourth way" expressions there.

This would predict gay members at higher rates than intersex members, and trans members at slightly higher than intersex rates, and for retention of whatever recessive traits or matriarch traits that lead to those situations because the daughters and granddaughters and sons and grandsons of such women as produce LGBT children have more success in raising reproductive children, too; either in being more prolific for some reason, being more supported, or perhaps both.

The majority of non-brain differences between sexes are due to hormone levels during puberty and adulthood, from response to those 3-4 chemicals (DHT, testosterone, estrogen, progesterone), and controlling them means controlling all the behavioral and muscle and fat related issues broadly associated with "sex" to the opposing mean. "Physical supremacy" is a function of hormones, as is whether the brain produces hormone-related, and this gonad-related behavioral signals or cues.

It appears to the experienced human, generally, that the brain has particular reactions to the presence or absence of hormones. It may serve an important social/tribal/cultural end for there to be individuals who have the mind of one gender, but experience the hormones of an incompatible one; one of the most popular songs in the 80's and again recently was about the desire to understand this divide, "Deal with God", "Running Up The Hill", and it only makes sense that maybe the strangeness of biology does give us the means to answer it, if we can find the right people to ask.

Their answer is overwhelmingly "ugh, this shit sucks, get me on the other hormone ASAP; 'no hormones' are better than 'wrong hormones', JFC, I hate this so much." But also "oh, to know this deep longing desire to bear and carry and birth a child from my own body, which can never be fulfilled; this is truly a condition that I should accept as valid and authentic when expressed by others that does not only arise from the ownership of a womb, but by the ownership of a brain which makes me thus that not everyone may share, as some do and others do not."

Seriously, though, why would we think something with as many clear morphological "sliders" as the human body clearly has, would lack for "sliders" in the brain, or that important parts that vary would only vary in one dimension and all at the same time?

That's just silly, and would prevent mutations from surprising everyone.
 
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"Transgenders" are like "illegal immigrants" and "dangerous vaccines". A problem that is being concocted to distract some of the public.

Male bovine excrement. The problem transgenders cause women is not concocted.
The problem caused to women is real, but I don't think transgendered people are the cause. Self-centered entitled jerks are the cause. And an unprincipled and aggressive new religion is the cause of the cause. Gender dysphoria doesn't cause men to believe they have the newly concocted right to bring penises into penis-free spaces, or punch female boxers in the face, without regard to whether the impacted women consent to it. An ideology that lumps individuals into arbitrary categories, ranks those categories on a stack, and tells people what their rights to do to other people are, based not on any principle but on who is higher up on the stack, is what causes men to believe this and turns them into self-centered entitled jerks. I don't know how to measure the incidence of self-centered entitled jerks in the trans population, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that the majority of male transgendered people are decent human beings who understand that having a problem doesn't magically give you the right to make it someone else's problem -- decent human beings who respect women's boundaries and stay out of women's sports and women's bathrooms if they don't have women's consent.
 
I’m pretty certain laughing dog has nothing to learn from Emily about reproduction, which is the narrow use of the word sex as reproduction—when it suits her
Here's what he posted:
Since trees can male, female or both, the sex is not binary. Clearly you have been kicked in the head multiple times.
I'll bold the important part.
Sex is binary.
Tom
Your cult can believe whatever it wishes if it helps you deal with reality in a manner that is mostly constructive.
Why do you think it's cultish to observe that all anisogamous species have two distinct sexes, and that no third sex exists, nor does an in-between sex exist? That both sexes can occur within the same individual doesn't alter that observation.
Observation is different than insistence.

All integers are composed by adding or subtracting one. Calling them only even or odd doesn’t alter that observation.
Emily Lake said:
Let me step back a little bit: Why are you invested in the belief that sex is NOT binary in humans?
Facts are facts. But I’m not that invested either way. But the mantra that sex is binary is bring used to defend policy that will be hurtful.
You have this backwards. Policy was brought forward that overrode sex, and did so by falsely asserting that sex is a spectrum. Those policies - the ones that allowed male prisoners with intact genitals to be housed with female inmates, that allowed completely physically normal male teens to invade the female showers and locker rooms, that allowed phenotypical males to compete in female athletics and wreck female records - those policies did harm. Harm that has already occurred, and continues to occur.

What's happening now is that reality is reasserting itself. Sex remains binary, regardless of the wishes of some people.

What hurt do you think is going to occur by defining prisons, athletics, and intimate spaces to be separated on the basis of binary sex?
This is a complicated issue and reducing it to simple terms will not lead to a fair and reasonable outcome.
It's not that complicated. What outcome do you think is "fair and reasonable" and to whom is it fair? Do you think it's "fair and reasonable" for girls and women to allow phenotypical males to compete in sports that are designated for females? Do you think it's "fair and reasonable" for women to place fully intact male prisoners in shared cells with female inmates? Do you think it's "fair and reasonable" to girls when they're forced to use shared showering and changing facilities with a male student who has an entirely normal male body?
Why are you invested in the belief sex is binary?
I'm invested in the "belief" that sex is binary in the same way that I'm invested in the "belief" that gravity is an attractive force, that the earth is an oblate spheroid, and that photosynthesis turns light into energy.
 
Uh, plenty of people enjoy a good debate. Even a good argument from time to time. That is, like, and incredibly common thing to enjoy.
To be fair, I would rather argue over what the nature of consciousness is and the basic logic of free will, responsibility, and the derivation of moral rules than about whether or not I should be put to death for being a eunuch quite explicitly "to bring heaven to earth", despite the prophet of those very "believers" saying explicitly to leave me the fuck alone concerning my childlessness.
What the actual fuck does this have to do with this discussion at all? Has anyone on IIDB even vaguely suggested that you should be put to death for being a self-created eunuch?

So far as I can tell, the worst thing that has been expressed toward you on IIDB is some people (me for sure) saying that you removing your balls doesn't make you a woman, and should not entitle you to have carte blanche access to women's intimate spaces. Removing your balls doesn't make you any less of a male human being that you were before you lopped them off.
 
Any definition of "womanhood" based on something like chromosomes or body structures is fundamentally flawed. There will always be some exception that the people proposing such definitions will disagree with.
Any definition of "womanhood" based on subjective unverifiable feelings inside someone's head is far more flawed, because it lacks anything remotely resembling a cohesive meaning.
So subjective definitions are worthless then?
Furthermore, sex is a universal definition that applies to all species that reproduce via the merging of two different sized gametes (anisogamy).
We aren't talking aboput biological sex, or chromosomes, or sex cells.

We're talking about gender identity.
Every anisogamous species has developed two distinctly different reproductive systems. One of those systems evolved in tandem with large gametes, the other evolved in tandem with small gametes. Individuals within a species that have the system associated with large gametes are called females; those that have the other system are males.
And if I removed your brain and kept you alive as just a brain in a jar, would you still think of yourself as a woman? Or would you say, "I don't have a uterus anymore, therefore I have no gender identity."

And if I did a brain transplant and put you in a body with a penis, would you start claiming you were a man?
This is an absurdity. *IF* we were capable of transplanting brains, then the entire fucking topic of this discussion is moot.

That said, if you were to stick my brain inside a typical male body, with all of the male bits and pieces and skeleton and attachment points and capabilities, I would be a man. I might be a behaviorally unusual and very confused man, but I would observably be a man.
People can disagree with that. But they're wrong, and they're working from an ideological faith-based perspective. They're not working from a scientific perspective.
And you're trying to change the subject. Like I said, we are talking gender identity, not chromosomes, anatomy, sex cells, or anything else.
YOU might be talking about gender identity. I am talking about sex.

More specifically, I am taking a reasonable and objective position that a person's internal beliefs about their personality style doesn't alter their actual sex, nor should it override sex-based boundaries and separations.
 
I’m pretty certain laughing dog has nothing to learn from Emily about reproduction, which is the narrow use of the word sex as reproduction—when it suits her
Here's what he posted:
Since trees can male, female or both, the sex is not binary. Clearly you have been kicked in the head multiple times.
I'll bold the important part.
Sex is binary.
Tom
Your cult can believe whatever it wishes if it helps you deal with reality in a manner that is mostly constructive.
Why do you think it's cultish to observe that all anisogamous species have two distinct sexes, and that no third sex exists, nor does an in-between sex exist? That both sexes can occur within the same individual doesn't alter that observation.
Observation is different than insistence.

All integers are composed by adding or subtracting one. Calling them only even or odd doesn’t alter that observation.
Emily Lake said:
Let me step back a little bit: Why are you invested in the belief that sex is NOT binary in humans?
Facts are facts. But I’m not that invested either way. But the mantra that sex is binary is bring used to defend policy that will be hurtful.
You have this backwards.
Nope. Any policy that prevents a trans who has undergone a complete transformation is hurtful. Female only spaces literally may place such individuals in harms way, and make females who take young boys into female only spaces for safety concerns law breakers.

Emily Lake said:
This is a complicated issue and reducing it to simple terms will not lead to a fair and reasonable outcome.
It's not that complicated….
Not to black and white thinkers who lump every situation into a single policy. Prison situations are radically different than sports participation which is different than dressing and hygiene facility use. IMO, they may require different approaches.

Emily Lake said:
Why are you invested in the belief sex is binary?
I'm invested in the "belief" that sex is binary in the same way that I'm invested in the "belief" that gravity is an attractive force, that the earth is an oblate spheroid, and that photosynthesis turns light into energy.
Your cult members would be proud.
 
Yeah, she seems to have an inability to look past highschool biology to see that most times, only SOME of that stuff has to align for reproduction, and it is not even adaptive for it to line up for reproduction in every individual, and that behavior comes from a different system than reproductive capability anyway.
Don't be daft. Gametes and reproductive systems are required to align in order for reproduction to occur. You can't gestate a baby inside of a prostate, you can't force two sperm to merge and begin mitosis.

I agree that most behavior is not a result of reproductive capability - and I have never suggested otherwise.
In the past when pressed on this, Emily has claimed it is "social" loading, all up in her head from her upbringing and considerations through life;
This is a falsehood that you have asserted as if it were fact. You're wrong, and this is untrue.
she thinks being trans is acquired as a "meme" infection, rather than as a developmental condition.
This is also untrue... and it would be nice if you would stop making shit up about me.

"Being trans" doesn't have any specific and inherent meaning. There's no actual way to discern whether someone is trans. It relies on the errant belief that nobody is ever mistaken, nor is anyone capable of falsehood.

But let's be more specific. There are host of things that currently fall under the enormous umbrella of "trans". Depending on who you talk to, this might be limited exclusively to clinically diagnosed gender dysphoria and severe distress about one's sexed body. In the past we would have called that transsexualism. It might also include anyone who rejects the social stereotypes of their actual sex, and who wishes to adopt the social stereotypes of the opposite sex, or to adopt something androgynous or mixed. It also can include cross-dressers and transvestites and drag performers. Quite often it seems to include males who have made no physical alterations to their bodies, take no testosterone suppressants at all, and who get off on intimidating and threatening women who perceive them as the men they are.

Some extremely small portion of the people under that continent-sized umbrella *might* have an actual neurological condition that has distorted their bodily self-perception in a way similar to that observed and documented in people with anorexia. Some small portion of people actually do have a disconnect between what their brain expects to actually see in the mirror and what they actually see. Whether that's congenital or acquired is a completely different question, as well as whether or not it can be addressed via cognitive therapy.

A larger portion of predominantly male people don't have any developmental or neurological conditions at all, but rather have a paraphilia associated with the performance of the opposite sex, which usually includes cross-dressing.

And for a different portion of predominantly young people, it is an acquired belief. This is particularly the case with 1) autistic youth, 2) youth who experienced sexual trauma and abuse as children, and 3) social contagion.

Autistic youth frequently have delayed or suppressed development of bonding behaviors. This shows up as difficulty making friends, and forming strong friendship bonds as juveniles. It also shows up as a difficulty making and maintaining romantic bonds as adults. It's fairly common for autistic youth to be very uncertain and confused about their sexual orientation, or to be almost entirely asexual, until quite a bit later in life than neurotypical youth. This results in young autistic teens having loose friendship bonds and not really "fitting in" with their same-sex peers, and also not "clicking" with opposite-sex potential partners. Autistic youth frequently feel that they fit in better with the opposite sex for friendship groups, because they're not pressured to conform to typical sex-based pubescent behaviors. This is particularly true for autistic boys, who often have friend groups that are predominantly female - the boy doesn't have to compete with other boys to exhibit masculine tendencies and behaviors, and because of their muted relationship-bonding girls tend to not compete with other girls for their attention. Autistic youth are also prone to fixation and perseveration. When you pair these two things together, you end up with the perfect scenario for the concept of trans to take root. It becomes a facile explanation for why they're "not like other boys/girls" instead of the more complex reality of autism. When it's combined with the love-bombing and constant affirmation, celebration, and attention that comes with the current transgender movement, it's extremely easy for autistic kids to become fixated on the idea that they're trans (which is a good thing that they get positive attention for) and lets them elide autism as the explanation.

Childhood sexual trauma is a bit less lengthy of an explanation, although it's certainly more complicated to address. For a lot of people who were sexually abused as kids, that trauma is very strongly associated with their sexed body. It was their body that is to blame for their abuse, and denying that body allows them to dismiss the trauma - "that didn't happen to the real me, that happened to the wrong me, now I'm the true right me, and the true right me is a different sex than the me whose sexed body was harmed". This cohort of youth is essentially fleeing from their sexed bodies - especially at the onset of puberty when those sexual characteristics begin to develop in visible and obvious ways. This happens for children of both sexes, although it's a bit more prevalent in girls than in boys. Thus, the rather large number of teenage girls in a hurry to have double mastectomies and erase the most visible evidence of the sexed body that is to blame for their trauma.

Social contagion is far more common among girls than among boys - this isn't a new phenomenon. Anorexia, cutting, and a host of self-harming behaviors have all been documented and observed as social contagions, and are all far more likely to occur in girls than in boys. Why this happens is a subject of discussion and debate. The hypothesis that I'm most partial to is an evolutionary one. During puberty in particular, our bodies, our minds, and our behaviors are all in flux. From the perspective of evolution, it's largely in the interests of pubescent males to stand out from other males, to differentiate themselves in some fashion. There's still pressure to conform to one's peer group, but there's a competing pressure to be distinct from others of that in-group. For girls, there's more of a pressure to minimize distinction from others in one's peer group. You'll see a higher tendency for girls to copy fashions and hair styles and behaviors of other girls, to *not* be different. Things that gain one girl attention are quickly picked up and mimicked by other girls - especially if that thing garners sympathy and protectiveness in response.

The short of it is that what falls under the modern description of "transgender" is massive, and a lot of it bears no close resemblance to others. The causes of those various expressions are also varied.
 
And you ignore the reasonable expectation of females to have female only spaces in some situations.

The issue is not simply one of safety, there’s also privacy, dignity, and fairness.
Yet you don't offer safety, privacy, dignity, or fairness to your victims, most of whom are innocent children. Why should anyone care about yours?
What "victims"? You can fuck right off with that malicious, cruel, and malign rhetoric.

And at what fucking point did grown men become "innocent children" who need the safety and fairness of women's spaces and sports?
 
How do we tell when they’re both?

Because they produce both male and female gametes.

Two sexes.

A binary.
But what sex is the tree? Not the gametes.
The tree is a true hermaphrodite. It has both fully developed male and fully developed female reproductive systems at the same thing. AND IT EVOLVED THAT WAY.
Clearly you can't differentiate all living things into male and female.
1) Nobody claimed that all living things can be differentiated into male or female - not all living things are anisogamous. Fungi, for example, aren't anisogamous and can't be categorized as male or female because it doesn't apply to that kingdom at all.

2) You're saying "and" but you are arguing "or". Your argument would be more accurately represented as "Clearly you can't differentiate all anisogamous species into male OR female". Had you worded your statement that way, it would be true... but only because some anisogamous species are simultaneous hermaphrodites.

Which brings me to...

3) Humans are neither fungi nor trees. Mammals, as an entire class, are gonochoric and anisogamous. That means that all mammals are either male or female, and cannot be both.

So... given all of that, what exactly do you think hermaphroditic trees have to do with single-sex spaces and services for humans?
 
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