Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[ZiprHead]

I don't support the starving of children. But you know that

If support Israel's policies then you support exactly that.

 

[TomC]

I don't support the starving of children. But you know that

If support Israel's policies then you support exactly that.

Starving kids are the results of Gazans policies!
Pretending that it's due to Israelis defending themselves against Gazans is flat out "Supporting Hamas."
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Netanyahu's military polciies are leaving little of Gaza left to go home to. That is also an "ethnic cleansing" thing.

It's Hamas' military policies that are leaving little left of Gaza. Full stop.

How do you know when you need to stop reading the thread... when you know the exact sentence that'll lead someone's response.

If Israel ended Gaza tonight, and everyone was killed.... it was Hama's military policies that left Gaza massacred.

But wait... TomC didn't say that... at least not yet. So, the question is, to TomC what level of Israeli retaliation would supercede the moral authority created by Hamas' massacre on October 7?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Thank you Dr. Obvious. Do you have a point? Because the far right in Netanhyu's coalition is calling for the removal of Gazans. And the IDF is killling noncombatants on a daily basis. And until a short while ago. Israel blockaded food and medical supplies into Gaza in a vain attempt to get Hamas to agree to their ceasefire demands. All in all,. it looks more and more like ethnic cleansing.

Your hair-splitting semantic apologia only proves my point.

If it looks like ethnic cleansing to you then my conclusion is that you are antisemitic.

You already conceded that Netanyahu tried to displace the Gazans into Egypt. Mass relocation is one of the "ethnic cleansing" things. Don't need to wipe them out to be ethnic cleansing.

So either you are anti-Semitic, in conceding that happened, or you are using the word poorly.

FYI, if Israel didn’t go out of their way to protect Palestinian civilians, this war would have been over a long time ago. Its just sad you can't see that.

Netanyahu's military polciies are leaving little of Gaza left to go home to. That is also an "ethnic cleansing" thing.

If you want to convince me of anything, try harder. Now you are grasping at straws

Grasping at straws? Attempting mass population displacement and destroying a lot of Gaza to make it uninhabitable is "ethnic cleansing" or at least attempting it

You've conceded the prior, it is hard to contest the later. That isn't grasping at straws, it is summing up the conclusion.

Stop talking shit

No wonder you were involved in an art project, with such wit of mind and tongue.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't support the starving of children. But you know that

If support Israel's policies then you support exactly that.

Starving kids are the results of Gazans policies!

So kids are starving in Gaza. Got it.

 

[TomC]

I don't support the starving of children. But you know that

If support Israel's policies then you support exactly that.

Starving kids are the results of Gazans policies!

So kids are starving in Gaza. Got it.

I'm not entirely sure, although it seems overwhelmingly likely.
The reason is also overwhelmingly likely to be Gazan military policies. Ignoring that obvious fact is Hamas apologetics.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

I don't support the starving of children. But you know that

If support Israel's policies then you support exactly that.

Starving kids are the results of Gazans policies!
Pretending that it's due to Israelis defending themselves against Gazans is flat out "Supporting Hamas."
Tom

Blockading food and medicine is not defending oneself from attack. Hamas cannot hoard what is not there.

Oh, and by the way, israeli military officials say there is no proof that Hamas systematically stole aid (No Proof Hamas Routinely Stole U.N. Aid, Israeli Military Officials Say

But the Israeli military never found proof that the Palestinian militant group had systematically stolen aid from the United Nations, the biggest supplier of emergency assistance to Gaza for most of the war, according to two senior Israeli military officials and two other Israelis involved in the matter.

In fact, the Israeli military officials said, the U.N. aid delivery system, which Israel derided and undermined, was largely effective in providing food to Gaza’s desperate and hungry population.

I wonder if those Israeli military officials are "supporting Hamas" or antisemites?
i

 

[ZiprHead]

Netanyahu's military polciies are leaving little of Gaza left to go home to. That is also an "ethnic cleansing" thing.

It's Hamas' military policies that are leaving little left of Gaza. Full stop.

If the leadership of Gaza had a shred of interest in the well-being of the Gazans as a whole this wouldn't be happening.

Instead of investing in military fortresses underneath hospitals they'd have invested in food sufficiency, education, potable water supplies, power generation plants.

But what Gazans got was tunnels under apartment buildings, missile launchers atop schools and a few more generations of violent enmity with their Israeli neighbors.

I agree that it's a HUGE problem.

I think that the main problem is Islamic supremacists.
Tom

As opposed to the Jewish supremacists that created the open air prison that spawned Hamas?

 

[ZiprHead]

Israel is not obliged to help them in that goal.

Yes they are. Unless they want to help with the real goal of the Islamic supremacists.
Ethnic cleansing of Israel.
Tom

Oh good lord. You believe Hamas has anywhere near the capability of ethnically cleansing Israel of its Jewish population???

Please. Put the pipe down.

 

[TomC]

If Israel ended Gaza tonight, and everyone was killed.... it was Hama's military policies that left Gaza massacred.

If Gazans stopped their assault on Israel this could all be over by the end of the week.

But Gazans won't.

And so it will be a continuation of the intergenerational conflict between Zionists and their Abrahamic neighbors.
Tom

 

[TomC]

As opposed to the Jewish supremacists that created the open air prison that spawned Hamas?

It was Islamic supremacists that created the Gazan wall. They kept sending violent suicide bombers until Israel spent a shit ton to wall them out.

It's too bad that Muslim supremacists couldn't stand the idea that Jewish refugees had moved in next door. They used violence to get rid of them. And here we are.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If Israel ended Gaza tonight, and everyone was killed.... it was Hama's military policies that left Gaza massacred.

If Gazans stopped their assault on Israel this could all be over by the end of the week.

But Gazans won't.

And so it will be a continuation of the intergenerational conflict between Zionists and their Abrahamic neighbors.
Tom

That didn't answer my question regarding the limits (if any) of reciprocity.

 

[pood]

If Israel ended Gaza tonight, and everyone was killed.... it was Hama's military policies that left Gaza massacred.

If Gazans stopped their assault on Israel this could all be over by the end of the week.

But Gazans won't.

And so it will be a continuation of the intergenerational conflict between Zionists and their Abrahamic neighbors.
Tom

Gazans are not assaulting Israel. Israel is assaulting Gazans.

You seem to be living in Bizarro world.

 

[TomC]

If Israel ended Gaza tonight, and everyone was killed.... it was Hama's military policies that left Gaza massacred.

If Gazans stopped their assault on Israel this could all be over by the end of the week.

But Gazans won't.

And so it will be a continuation of the intergenerational conflict between Zionists and their Abrahamic neighbors.
Tom

That didn't answer my question regarding the limits (if any) of reciprocity.

There are no questions in the post.

But as for your vaguely implied question. How about these?
Gazans stop attacking Israel.
Gazans stop starving their kids.
Gazans stop lying to the international media.
Gazans stop supporting Muslim supremacists and terrorists.
Tom

 

[ZiprHead]

As opposed to the Jewish supremacists that created the open air prison that spawned Hamas?

It was Islamic supremacists that created the Gazan wall. They kept sending violent suicide bombers until Israel spent a shit ton to wall them out.

It's too bad that Muslim supremacists couldn't stand the idea that Jewish refugees had moved in next door. They used violence to get rid of them. And here we are.
Tom

Collective punishment... again.

 

[TomC]

As opposed to the Jewish supremacists that created the open air prison that spawned Hamas?

It was Islamic supremacists that created the Gazan wall. They kept sending violent suicide bombers until Israel spent a shit ton to wall them out.

It's too bad that Muslim supremacists couldn't stand the idea that Jewish refugees had moved in next door. They used violence to get rid of them. And here we are.
Tom

Collective punishment... again.

The collective punishment is Gazans punishing other Gazans.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

If Israel ended Gaza tonight, and everyone was killed.... it was Hama's military policies that left Gaza massacred.

If Gazans stopped their assault on Israel this could all be over by the end of the week.

But Gazans won't.

And so it will be a continuation of the intergenerational conflict between Zionists and their Abrahamic neighbors.
Tom

That didn't answer my question regarding the limits (if any) of reciprocity.

There are no questions in the post.

But as for your vaguely implied question. How about these?
Gazans stop attacking Israel.
Gazans stop starving their kids.
Gazans stop lying to the international media.
Gazans stop supporting Muslim supremacists and terrorists.
Tom

It is not possible for Gazans to stop doing something they are not doing: Gazans are not starving anyone's children.

Hamas - as opposed to Gazans - should stop attacking anyone. But they won't
Everyone should stop lying - that includes Hamas and Israel.
Everyone should stop supporting terrorists of any stripe - that includes Gazans and Israelis.

But, none of that is going to happen.

 

[TomC]

Hamas - as opposed to Gazans - should stop attacking anyone. But they won't

Hamas are Gazans. Hamas has been the Gazan leadership for almost twenty years.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Hamas - as opposed to Gazans - should stop attacking anyone. But they won't

Hamas are Gazans. Hamas has been the Gazan leadership for almost twenty years.
Tom

Hamas are Gazans, but Gazans are not necessarily members of Hamas.

Hamas won the last election in 2006. Gazans have had no opportunity to vote since then.

 

[TomC]

Hamas are Gazans, but Gazans are not necessarily members of Hamas.

Gazan leadership has been Hamas for almost twenty years.
What makes you think that the other Gazans have a problem with their leadership?

Hamas are the representatives of the Islamic supremacists in Gaza. What makes you think that the other Gazans have any problems with violent Muslim terrorists?
Tom