Gerrymandering... it just is now.

[Tigers!]

About 90 million did not vote which is more votes than either Trump or Harris achieved.

Guess which party opposes the kind of “mandatory voting” y’all have in your Country.
Go ahead, take a guess.

I will let you tell me.

 

[Tigers!]

Who says what is fair, the question is fundamental to democratic systems.

The intent was for regional representation. Ohio wise, having Youngstown, Ohio being included with sparsely populated SE Ohio makes little sense. Toledo is drowned out as well with rural areas.

We have computers that provide reasonable districting, that could help keep those representing the districts honest. The trouble is, many states have districts that prioritize the haul for a party than demographics or geography.

This (embolded) with your appalling voter turnout explains an awful lot.

For a person that knows so little about the US, you seem to talk too much about it.

The very many people who did not bother voting last Nov. is available on the internet. About 90 million did not vote which is more votes than either Trump or Harris achieved.
I talk about it because sadly what you yanks do affects Aust. in so many ways, not always benignly.

Sure, we crashed the entire global economy in 2008. We are exceptional!!!

Blaming the issue of governance on those that didn't vote, instead of the governing body is ignorant. The people who do vote, often aren't voting based on reasonable understanding of governance, history, economics, etc... You think responsible governance will pop out of the blue once the people who don't give a fuck start voting?

Trump didn't win because of "low" turnout. Trump won in '24 because of inflation from Covid.

I never said that Trump won because of low turnout. Rather you will have so many people who can't be fagged voting then complain about the government of the day.

 

[Elixir]

About 90 million did not vote which is more votes than either Trump or Harris achieved.

Guess which party opposes the kind of “mandatory voting” y’all have in your Country.
Go ahead, take a guess.

I will let you tell me.

SURPRISE, @Tigers!!

It’s the “conservative” party that used to be republican, and is now fascist. The party of TSwizzle and his ilk. It’s the right wing Murkin counterpart of your so-called “liberal” party, pushing “right wing values” (now revealed as an oxymoron).
They HATE the idea of mandatory voting because they would be booted from power, never to return in any form resembling the current rogues gallery.

 

[southernhybrid]

Plus, Hegeth keeps saying that women shouldn't have the right to vote. Hmmmm. I wonder how Marjorie Taylor Greene and Amy Comey Barrett feel about that. Of course, a sexist idiot like Hegeth doesn't want women to vote since more than half us vote for Democrats.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Who says what is fair, the question is fundamental to democratic systems.

The intent was for regional representation. Ohio wise, having Youngstown, Ohio being included with sparsely populated SE Ohio makes little sense. Toledo is drowned out as well with rural areas.

We have computers that provide reasonable districting, that could help keep those representing the districts honest. The trouble is, many states have districts that prioritize the haul for a party than demographics or geography.

This (embolded) with your appalling voter turnout explains an awful lot.

For a person that knows so little about the US, you seem to talk too much about it.

The very many people who did not bother voting last Nov. is available on the internet. About 90 million did not vote which is more votes than either Trump or Harris achieved.
I talk about it because sadly what you yanks do affects Aust. in so many ways, not always benignly.

Sure, we crashed the entire global economy in 2008. We are exceptional!!!

Blaming the issue of governance on those that didn't vote, instead of the governing body is ignorant. The people who do vote, often aren't voting based on reasonable understanding of governance, history, economics, etc... You think responsible governance will pop out of the blue once the people who don't give a fuck start voting?

Trump didn't win because of "low" turnout. Trump won in '24 because of inflation from Covid.

I never said that Trump won because of low turnout. Rather you will have so many people who can't be fagged voting then complain about the government of the day.

You hang around many of these Americans that don't vote but are politically active?

 

[Elixir]

you will have so many people who can't be fagged voting then complain about the government of the day.

Probably a minor point in your eyes, but most if not all of us who are complaining here, VOTED.

 

[Elixir]

You know, we used to have courts, we used to have legislative bodies, and executive bodies that were elected somewhat fairly.

Seems so quaint to reminisce like that. Look at the Great parts. Like, back then we didn’t have gangs of armed, masked thugs disappearing people off the streets without process of any sort. We all feel so much safer. We want more anonymous armed thugs abducting more people! The people have spoken.
The people are God Damned idiots.

 

[gmbteach]

I am once again wondering why US workers still haven't risen up in bloody revolution against their uniquely harsh and unbalanced employment conditions.

Anglophones led the way toward modern workers' rights! The British Labour Party was founded in 1900; the Australian Labor Party (federal caucus) was founded in 1901. But the United States, beginning with help from President Teddy Roosevelt, also had a strong labor movement during parts of the 20th century.

The labor movement in the U.S. had to fight severe violence, often directed by their own government. That glorious movement can be felt in some music at YouTube:


The most famous minstrels of the U.S. labor movement were Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger:


The 1921 Battle of Blair Mountain was the largest armed uprising in the U.S. since the Civil War. Seeger was too young to support those striking coal miners, but he did sing about the 1930's long-lasting Harlan County War. (Those scabs and murderers were led by J.H. Blair, no known relation to the eponym of Blair Mountain.)

His 92 year-old voice almost useless, here's Pete Seeger still singing about labor unions.

I hope I'll be forgiven for posting four YouTube songs to reminisce about America's happier days.

Speaking of videos, does anyone have a link to the 2:45 video "God Made Trump"? It is the most delectable satire about this oaf, but Trump didn't seem to get the joke and reposted it himself on his social media. I can find some brief excerpts, but not the full 2:45. Perhaps someone on Trump's team came to their senses and forced it to be taken down.

I have the video myself, uploaded to my own website but I can't link to that here. The website uses my Real Name, and I try to keep that "firewall" intact.

The Labor Party in Australia was also instrumental in introducing such things as the 8 hour working day (8 for work, 8 for play, 8 for sleep),

Just a correction.
The 8 hour day was introduced in Victoria in 21/04/1856. The Labour Party was formed 08/05/1901.
The Labour party had nothing to do with the 8 hour day.

as well as Long Service Leave, which employees are entitled to after 10 years of service in the same company. It allows for 6 weeks (or 12, not sure) of extra vacation leave over and above your 4 week allocation. It was introduced because so many of our residents have family in Europe and it takes so long to get there, especially prior to the innovation of jet travel. Even now, it takes a minimum of 28 hours of travel time (from arrival at airport to departure at destination) for us to get to the UK.

We were the second country to introduce votes for women (NZ was first), however, South Australia as a colony granted women the vote on the 18th December 1894.

A fine achievement

We also achieved our ‘independence’ from the UK without a single shot being fired! We did it peacefully and democratically.

Aussies are an amazing bunch!

My apologies if I was incorrect. I suppose something good had to come out of Victoria…..

 

[gmbteach]

About 90 million did not vote which is more votes than either Trump or Harris achieved.

Guess which party opposes the kind of “mandatory voting” y’all have in your Country.
Go ahead, take a guess.

I will let you tell me.

SURPRISE, @Tigers!!

It’s the “conservative” party that used to be republican, and is now fascist. The party of TSwizzle and his ilk. It’s the right wing Murkin counterpart of your so-called “liberal” party, pushing “right wing values” (now revealed as an oxymoron).
They HATE the idea of mandatory voting because they would be booted from power, never to return in any form resembling the current rogues gallery.

I did say it was the Australian Liberal party that want to abolish compulsory voting. But then I strongly believe that the Liberals would adore a return to the feudal system of the overbearing ruler of the land controlling the lives of the serfs…..where you earned pennies a day and can barely afford to feed and cloth yourselves….. women would have no rights…

Oh wait! Isn’t that happening in the US at the moment? Or at least heading there?

 

[Elixir]

Oh wait! Isn’t that happening in the US at the moment? Or at least heading there?

Oh yeah, leading the way, USA!!

 

[gmbteach]

Oh wait! Isn’t that happening in the US at the moment? Or at least heading there?

Oh yeah, leading the way, USA!!

And not in a good way!

 

[Tigers!]

you will have so many people who can't be fagged voting then complain about the government of the day.

Probably a minor point in your eyes, but most if not all of us who are complaining here, VOTED.

I was not referring to you but rather the ''person on the street' who is questioned and complains about something happening or not as the case may be. I am certain that so mnay of them did not vote and now just whinge. Like the Poms who did not vote during Brexit and now whinge about that.
Wasted their opportunity they did.

 

[Tigers!]

Who says what is fair, the question is fundamental to democratic systems.

The intent was for regional representation. Ohio wise, having Youngstown, Ohio being included with sparsely populated SE Ohio makes little sense. Toledo is drowned out as well with rural areas.

We have computers that provide reasonable districting, that could help keep those representing the districts honest. The trouble is, many states have districts that prioritize the haul for a party than demographics or geography.

This (embolded) with your appalling voter turnout explains an awful lot.

For a person that knows so little about the US, you seem to talk too much about it.

The very many people who did not bother voting last Nov. is available on the internet. About 90 million did not vote which is more votes than either Trump or Harris achieved.
I talk about it because sadly what you yanks do affects Aust. in so many ways, not always benignly.

Sure, we crashed the entire global economy in 2008. We are exceptional!!!

Blaming the issue of governance on those that didn't vote, instead of the governing body is ignorant. The people who do vote, often aren't voting based on reasonable understanding of governance, history, economics, etc... You think responsible governance will pop out of the blue once the people who don't give a fuck start voting?

Trump didn't win because of "low" turnout. Trump won in '24 because of inflation from Covid.

I never said that Trump won because of low turnout. Rather you will have so many people who can't be fagged voting then complain about the government of the day.

You hang around many of these Americans that don't vote but are politically active?

No, just note the whingers we see interviewed on TV

 

[Tigers!]

About 90 million did not vote which is more votes than either Trump or Harris achieved.

Guess which party opposes the kind of “mandatory voting” y’all have in your Country.
Go ahead, take a guess.

I will let you tell me.

SURPRISE, @Tigers!!

It’s the “conservative” party that used to be republican, and is now fascist. The party of TSwizzle and his ilk. It’s the right wing Murkin counterpart of your so-called “liberal” party, pushing “right wing values” (now revealed as an oxymoron).
They HATE the idea of mandatory voting because they would be booted from power, never to return in any form resembling the current rogues gallery.

I thought you you were asking which party in Aust. opposes mandatory marking of the ballot (not voting itself).
My apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

[Tigers!]

My apologies if I was incorrect. I suppose something good had to come out of Victoria…..

AFL! AFL!

 

[ZiprHead]

Go AHNOLD!

 

[Elixir]

I was not referring to you but rather the ''person on the street'

I think there is little dispute that the man on the American street is a self entitled semi-sentient twat.

I thought you you were asking which party in Aust. opposes mandatory marking of the ballot (not voting itself).
My apologies for the misunderstanding.

Put the usual apathetic American apolitical stay-at-homer into a voting booth and suddenly they will harbor strong opinions as a political savant (in their own mind), and cast a most informed vote. Well, cast a vote anyhow. Next time, knowing they’re gonna have to show up, maybe they WILL inform themselves a little.

 

[ZiprHead]

The Texas Republicans tried to cut off Beto from financing the Democrats that left Texas stop keep the legislature from getting a quorum.

He beat them.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Go AHNOLD!

Isn't he the guy that was able to take advantage of a corporate coup (fake energy crisis) against a Governor and get himself elected Governor?

 

[ZiprHead]

I don't know. I don't follow California politics that closely. Especially that long ago.