An illustration of media bias

[Politesse]

How many targetted, how many innocents wounded? The ratio to me didn't seem bad at all. Am I mistaken?

And even more to the point.
Hezbollah has been attacking Israel for years. How surgical have their attacks been? Had Israel not done what they did with the pagers, how many innocent civilians would Hezbollah have slaughtered in the next five years?

So, in the final analysis, I'm confident that Israel saved a bunch of innocent civilians at a moderate cost.
Tom

You confess so much about how you see other human beings, without realizing that you are doing so.

 

[Tigers!]

That is one biased way to describe it, since some civilians were injured as well.

I know I am being biased when I remember how many civvies were killed on 7th Oct.

Me too. But apparently I'm an anti Semite because I'm also against genocide, collective punishment, war crimes and weaponising starvation.

I do not recall calling you an anti-semite (if that is what you are implying I have called you)

That's okay; I do recall you trying to excuse genocide because of what happened October 7th however. Because that is exactly what you are doing.

I, too, want the killing to end. Preferably without Hamas being rewarded for their efforts.

Perhaps if you could explain what you envision as “reward“ to Hamas that would make these results worthwhile to them, readers lacking your fertile imagination might make sense of your last sentence.

Hamas' attack on Oct 7th results in the creation of a Palestinian state and their having a role in said state.

 

[Tigers!]

The thing is, this whole situation could have been run entirely differently, from so many points in time.

The first thing that needs to happen is that aid groups need to get armed multinational support to deliver rebuilding efforts, to suppress Hamas interference with aid and housing efforts.

Good idea. How to do it?

Aid needs to be allowed and peacekeeping forces need to be there in higher populations than Hamas's organization can field, and acting together to take Hamas down with whatever good will they can win with the Palestinian people.

Are they peacekeepers or peace makers?

The problem here is that the US military is largely radicalized against all Islamic people.

There's just too much derision present in the Israeli and US militaries, and the UN's peacekeeping forces just seem so... Soft... That there just isn't anyone that can really rise to sorting the situation out.

Sadly very true.

I really don't see peace happening in the middle east until some kind of internet-embedded self-replicating intelligence has seized control of enough assets to force us meat bags to abandon such borders and claims.

That to me seems to be the likely long term solution.

 

[laughing dog]

That is one biased way to describe it, since some civilians were injured as well.

I know I am being biased when I remember how many civvies were killed on 7th Oct.

Me too. But apparently I'm an anti Semite because I'm also against genocide, collective punishment, war crimes and weaponising starvation.

I do not recall calling you an anti-semite (if that is what you are implying I have called you)

That's okay; I do recall you trying to excuse genocide because of what happened October 7th however. Because that is exactly what you are doing.

I, too, want the killing to end. Preferably without Hamas being rewarded for their efforts.

Perhaps if you could explain what you envision as “reward“ to Hamas that would make these results worthwhile to them, readers lacking your fertile imagination might make sense of your last sentence.

Hamas' attack on Oct 7th results in the creation of a Palestinian state and their having a role in said state.

Thank you for your explanation. Your imagination is much more fertile than mine. I’d like to read any science fiction you may have written.

 

[Patooka]

Hamas' attack on Oct 7th results in the creation of a Palestinian state and their having a role in said state.

Considering only 7% of Gazans have ever voted for Hamas in their life, and Israel has been deliberating and knowing blocked any chance of an election since John Howard was fucking Prime Minister, maybe you should focus some of that ire towards Netanyahu's regime.

 

[Tigers!]

Hamas' attack on Oct 7th results in the creation of a Palestinian state and their having a role in said state.

Considering only 7% of Gazans have ever voted for Hamas in their life, and Israel has been deliberating and knowing blocked any chance of an election since John Howard was fucking Prime Minister, maybe you should focus some of that ire towards Netanyahu's regime.

Amazing how you manage to shoehorn Howard in there. He has not been PM since 2007. Time to move on.
How has Israel blocked elections in either Gaza or West bank (I do not know if you mean either or both)? A link or cite would be nice.

And yes Netanyahu has being behaving abominably lately.

 

[Tigers!]

That is one biased way to describe it, since some civilians were injured as well.

I know I am being biased when I remember how many civvies were killed on 7th Oct.

Me too. But apparently I'm an anti Semite because I'm also against genocide, collective punishment, war crimes and weaponising starvation.

I do not recall calling you an anti-semite (if that is what you are implying I have called you)

That's okay; I do recall you trying to excuse genocide because of what happened October 7th however. Because that is exactly what you are doing.

I, too, want the killing to end. Preferably without Hamas being rewarded for their efforts.

Perhaps if you could explain what you envision as “reward“ to Hamas that would make these results worthwhile to them, readers lacking your fertile imagination might make sense of your last sentence.

Hamas' attack on Oct 7th results in the creation of a Palestinian state and their having a role in said state.

Thank you for your explanation. Your imagination is much more fertile than mine. I’d like to read any science fiction you may have written.

Thank you for the compliment. I will treasure it for ever.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How many targetted, how many innocents wounded? The ratio to me didn't seem bad at all. Am I mistaken?

And even more to the point.
Hezbollah has been attacking Israel for years. How surgical have their attacks been? Had Israel not done what they did with the pagers, how many innocent civilians would Hezbollah have slaughtered in the next five years?

No, not more to the point. That is an awful thing to say! Someone isn't given a free pass at immoral actions if someone commits immoral actions against them.

Mossad appeared to finesse this attack and managed, somehow, to perfectly distribute these things. Had they not, it would not have been a legitimate action by Mossad, it'd be crime against humanity. Mossad's attempt to keep this clean and well targeted provided them cover for what could have been a dreadful attack had they been careless.

 

[unapologetic]

The problem here is that the US military is largely radicalized against all Islamic people.

Is-Lame-Ick people are largely radicalized against all other religions. So fuck em.

Had Israel not done what they did with the pagers, how many innocent civilians would Hezbollah have slaughtered in the next five years?

How many? FEW will be protected.
Only 12 died. 3K survivers can carry on fighting and probably want revenge.
Is 'terrorism' only against civilians? Can not combataints also be terrorized?
I would put cellphone mines in the same class as mustard gas and landmines. Too indiscriminate.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's a sympathy piece. Sympathy for terrorists? How can you not see how biased this is?

It is NOT a sympathy piece for terrorists.

Are they not terrorists?

Is it not a sympathy piece?

What exactly are you disagreeing with?

 

[pood]

It's a sympathy piece. Sympathy for terrorists? How can you not see how biased this is?

It is NOT a sympathy piece for terrorists.

Are they not terrorists?

Is it not a sympathy piece?

What exactly are you disagreeing with?

The children are terrorists? Every person maimed was a terrorist? Is it that all brown Muslims are terrorists to you?

And no, it is NOT a sympathy piece. This what journalists are supposed to do, show the human side of war, the bloody consequences of conflict.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

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2) Even perfectly precise surgery usually involves some other damage. If surgeons didn't do other damage there would be no issue of healing after an operation.

That is utter nonsense. Excising an anatomical problem perfectly would still involve healing of some sort.

Stooping to such unnecessary pedantry makes your position seem more desperate and less rational.

I recently had a bit of surgery. Zero cutting, the only destructive force was a laser and it was aimed at a kidney stone, not at any part of my anatomy. Ok, yes, there was healing necessary at the site because the stone was expected to have done a bit of damage in being lodged there. But you have no sensation in the ureters, the healing there is inherently painless. So why did I have any after effects?? And why was it done under general anesthesia?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How many targetted, how many innocents wounded? The ratio to me didn't seem bad at all. Am I mistaken?

And even more to the point.
Hezbollah has been attacking Israel for years. How surgical have their attacks been? Had Israel not done what they did with the pagers, how many innocent civilians would Hezbollah have slaughtered in the next five years?

No, not more to the point. That is an awful thing to say! Someone isn't given a free pass at immoral actions if someone commits immoral actions against them.

Mossad appeared to finesse this attack and managed, somehow, to perfectly distribute these things. Had they not, it would not have been a legitimate action by Mossad, it'd be crime against humanity. Mossad's attempt to keep this clean and well targeted provided them cover for what could have been a dreadful attack had they been careless.

So? They were careful. That's their normal state.

And that has nothing to do with why AP ran a sympathy piece about it.

 

[TomC]

The children are terrorists? Every person maimed was a terrorist? Is it that all brown Muslims are terrorists to you?

No. But they are all victims of terrorists.

Muslim supremacists to be precise. In this case, Hezbollah. Israel attacked Hezbollah because Hezbollah has been attacking Israel for years. A small number of innocent people were casualties, but that was a result of violent Muslim terrorists attacking other innocent people and Israel punching back.

Not because Israel targeted innocent civilians the way Muslim supremacists regularly do.
Tom

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The problem here is that the US military is largely radicalized against all Islamic people.

Is-Lame-Ick people are largely radicalized against all other religions. So fuck em.

Had Israel not done what they did with the pagers, how many innocent civilians would Hezbollah have slaughtered in the next five years?

How many? FEW will be protected.
Only 12 died. 3K survivers can carry on fighting and probably want revenge.
Is 'terrorism' only against civilians? Can not combataints also be terrorized?
I would put cellphone mines in the same class as mustard gas and landmines. Too indiscriminate.

Once again, it's not about revenge. It's about the money that funds the terror.

And terrorism is by definition against civilians. Scaring enemy combatants is completely acceptable military practice, actually lauded at times.

And look at the result--this was very discriminate. Every one hit someone associated with Hezbollah, unfortunately in a few cases that was family members of the intended targets rather than the targets themselves.

 

[unapologetic]

Every one hit someone associated with Hezbollah, unfortunately in a few cases that was family members of the intended targets rather than the targets themselves.

The same can be said about landmines.

 

[TomC]

Every one hit someone associated with Hezbollah, unfortunately in a few cases that was family members of the intended targets rather than the targets themselves.

The same can be said about landmines.

That's ridiculous.
The same cannot possibly be said of landmines.

Israel targeted a violent Muslim terrorists group. They succeeded in trashing a bunch of the violent terrorist group. A tiny handful of the terrorist's civilian compadres got trashed as well. Tragic, but predictable, results of consorting with violent Muslim supremacists. Or any violent people, like Hamas or Iran or Hezbollah or whatever.

It's nothing like landmines.
Tom

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Every one hit someone associated with Hezbollah, unfortunately in a few cases that was family members of the intended targets rather than the targets themselves.

The same can be said about landmines.

No. The problem with landmines is they get left behind and blow up civilians later.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Every one hit someone associated with Hezbollah, unfortunately in a few cases that was family members of the intended targets rather than the targets themselves.

The same can be said about landmines.

Landmines strike random civilans. The Hezbollah attack devices went to all the right targets. It was remarkably precise. There was collateral damage but nothing like landmines.

 

[laughing dog]

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2) Even perfectly precise surgery usually involves some other damage. If surgeons didn't do other damage there would be no issue of healing after an operation.

That is utter nonsense. Excising an anatomical problem perfectly would still involve healing of some sort.

Stooping to such unnecessary pedantry makes your position seem more desperate and less rational.

I recently had a bit of surgery. Zero cutting, the only destructive force was a laser and it was aimed at a kidney stone, not at any part of my anatomy. Ok, yes, there was healing necessary at the site because the stone was expected to have done a bit of damage in being lodged there. But you have no sensation in the ureters, the healing there is inherently painless. So why did I have any after effects?? And why was it done under general anesthesia?

Thank you for confirming my point that your claim of no issue of healing after an operation was false.