An Irony on Trump's Tariffs

[RVonse]

In the end, tariffs may boost investment and production in the US for some industries

And the amount of investment is not likely to be significant since there is huge uncertainty on what the tariff amounts are going to be in even a month or two, let alone in 3-5 years. Why invest in something that requires a tariff to remain profitable when that tariff may be gone or reduced during the operational life of that investment?

Some industries that have not completely outsourced will have an automatic competitive advantage. That competitive advantage will be noticed immediately. For example an auto plant in the US making the same model as a plant in Mexico will immediately increase production to the US. They will work the US at absolute maximum and hire overtime help to keep the line running even during lunch hour. Their Mexico plant will be idled. Those producers won't have any need for studies or wondering what Trump does next because they already have multiple plants making the same model. And those producers who do still have US plants will very quickly dominate the market with their products and huge profit margins at the expense of others who are just waiting at the sidelines to move back the US.

They won't be waiting long and we will hear a huge "sucking sound" back to the US.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In the end, tariffs may boost investment and production in the US for some industries

And the amount of investment is not likely to be significant since there is huge uncertainty on what the tariff amounts are going to be in even a month or two, let alone in 3-5 years. Why invest in something that requires a tariff to remain profitable when that tariff may be gone or reduced during the operational life of that investment?

Some industries that have not completely outsourced will have an automatic competitive advantage. That competitive advantage will be noticed immediately. For example an auto plant in the US making the same model as a plant in Mexico will immediately increase production to the US. They will work the US at absolute maximum and hire overtime help to keep the line running even during lunch hour.

You don't seem to understand how the NORTH AMERICAN auto industry is set up. Why am I not surprised?

 

[RVonse]

In the end, tariffs may boost investment and production in the US for some industries

And the amount of investment is not likely to be significant since there is huge uncertainty on what the tariff amounts are going to be in even a month or two, let alone in 3-5 years. Why invest in something that requires a tariff to remain profitable when that tariff may be gone or reduced during the operational life of that investment?

Some industries that have not completely outsourced will have an automatic competitive advantage. That competitive advantage will be noticed immediately. For example an auto plant in the US making the same model as a plant in Mexico will immediately increase production to the US. They will work the US at absolute maximum and hire overtime help to keep the line running even during lunch hour.

You don't seem to understand how the NORTH AMERICAN auto industry is set up. Why am I not surprised?

I understand it a lot better than you think since I am retired from a North American auto plant. And I have seen first hand how the Canada plant making the same product as ours was chosen over our plant because their health care was paid by the Canadians. Health care was a huge competitive advantage that made their plant more profitable even though our US plant was far newer and produced much better quality.

 

[robnisch]

In the end, tariffs may boost investment and production in the US for some industries

And the amount of investment is not likely to be significant since there is huge uncertainty on what the tariff amounts are going to be in even a month or two, let alone in 3-5 years. Why invest in something that requires a tariff to remain profitable when that tariff may be gone or reduced during the operational life of that investment?

Some industries that have not completely outsourced will have an automatic competitive advantage. That competitive advantage will be noticed immediately. For example an auto plant in the US making the same model as a plant in Mexico will immediately increase production to the US. They will work the US at absolute maximum and hire overtime help to keep the line running even during lunch hour.

You don't seem to understand how the NORTH AMERICAN auto industry is set up. Why am I not surprised?

I understand it a lot better than you think since I am retired from a North American auto plant. And I have seen first hand how the Canada plant making the same product as ours was chosen over our plant because their health care was paid by the Canadians. Health care was a huge competitive advantage that made their plant more profitable even though our US plant was far newer and produced much better quality.

Sounds like a reason to have UHC, right?

 

[RVonse]

In the end, tariffs may boost investment and production in the US for some industries

And the amount of investment is not likely to be significant since there is huge uncertainty on what the tariff amounts are going to be in even a month or two, let alone in 3-5 years. Why invest in something that requires a tariff to remain profitable when that tariff may be gone or reduced during the operational life of that investment?

Some industries that have not completely outsourced will have an automatic competitive advantage. That competitive advantage will be noticed immediately. For example an auto plant in the US making the same model as a plant in Mexico will immediately increase production to the US. They will work the US at absolute maximum and hire overtime help to keep the line running even during lunch hour.

You don't seem to understand how the NORTH AMERICAN auto industry is set up. Why am I not surprised?

I understand it a lot better than you think since I am retired from a North American auto plant. And I have seen first hand how the Canada plant making the same product as ours was chosen over our plant because their health care was paid by the Canadians. Health care was a huge competitive advantage that made their plant more profitable even though our US plant was far newer and produced much better quality.

Sounds like a reason to have UHC, right?

Yes, I was hoping and expecting UHC from Obama (who I voted for) but it never came. I was "hoping" but his "change" never came to past.

 

[southernhybrid]

In the end, tariffs may boost investment and production in the US for some industries

And the amount of investment is not likely to be significant since there is huge uncertainty on what the tariff amounts are going to be in even a month or two, let alone in 3-5 years. Why invest in something that requires a tariff to remain profitable when that tariff may be gone or reduced during the operational life of that investment?

Some industries that have not completely outsourced will have an automatic competitive advantage. That competitive advantage will be noticed immediately. For example an auto plant in the US making the same model as a plant in Mexico will immediately increase production to the US. They will work the US at absolute maximum and hire overtime help to keep the line running even during lunch hour.

You don't seem to understand how the NORTH AMERICAN auto industry is set up. Why am I not surprised?

I understand it a lot better than you think since I am retired from a North American auto plant. And I have seen first hand how the Canada plant making the same product as ours was chosen over our plant because their health care was paid by the Canadians. Health care was a huge competitive advantage that made their plant more profitable even though our US plant was far newer and produced much better quality.

https://caredge.com/guides/cars-made-in-america-in-2025

So, I assume that you know that there aren't any cars that are totally manufactured in the US and it won't be easy to suddenly make all of the many parts that are imported from other countries. Right? And, I'm not so sure that American cars are better than foreign cars. My Hyundai gets about 40 mpg and it's not even a hybrid. My Ford Fusion hybrid's battery started to die when it had about 75K miles on it and Ford wound't honor the guarantee so they pretended there was nothing wrong with the battery, despite the mileage dropping to 32 mpg from about 42 mpg. They wanted over 8 grand to replace the hybrid battery. We were Ford people prior to Ford screwing us over. At our age, considering how little we drive, we probably won't need to buy another car.

Automotive supply chains are global, and final assembly is just one piece of the puzzle. While the models listed here are all assembled in the United States, many of their parts are sourced from around the world— how from our North American neighbors in Canada and Mexico. Some of these vehicles are even produced outside the U.S. for other markets, though we’ve focused only on those assembled for sale here at home.
It’s also important to note that the latest round of tariffs applies to imported car parts, not just fully assembled vehicles. That means even models built in American factories may see price increases if key components are subject to tariffs. So while U.S. final assembly offers some insulation from global trade headwinds, it doesn’t make a car completely immune.

The Complete List of Cars Made in America (U.S. Final Assembly)​

Below you will find all 117 cars, trucks, SUVs and EVs with final assembly in the United States of America in 2025. These vehicles are made in facilities around the country, however it’s worth reminding readers that each one of these cars could not be finished without global supply chains.
These are the cars and trucks made in America in 2025:
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Make	Model	Locations of U.S. Final Assembly
Acura	TLX	Marysville, Ohio, USA
Acura	Integra	Marysville, Ohio, USA
Acura	MDX	Marysville, Ohio, USA
Acura	RDX	Marysville, Ohio, USA
Acura	ZDX	Spring Hill, Tennessee, USA
BMW	X3	Spartanburg, South Carolina, USA
BMW	X4	Spartanburg, South Carolina, USA
BMW	X5	Spartanburg, South Carolina, USA
BMW	X6	Spartanburg, South Carolina, USA
BMW	X7	Spartanburg, South Carolina, USA
BMW	XM	Spartanburg, South Carolina, USA
Buick	Enclave	Lansing, Michigan, USA
Cadillac	Celestiq	Warren, Michigan, USA
Cadillac	CT4	Lansing, Michigan, USA
Cadillac	CT5	Lansing, Michigan, USA
Cadillac	Escalade	Arlington, Texas, USA
Cadillac	Escalade IQ	Detroit, Michigan, USA
Cadillac	Lyriq	Spring Hill, Tennessee, USA
Cadillac	Vistiq	Spring Hill, Tennessee, USA
Cadillac	XT5	Spring Hill, Tennessee, USA
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[RVonse]

So, I assume that you know that there aren't any cars that are totally manufactured in the US and it won't be easy to suddenly make all of the many parts that are imported from other countries. Right? And, I'm not so sure that American cars are better than foreign cars. My Hyundai gets about 40 mpg and it's not even a hybrid. My Ford Fusion hybrid's battery started to die when it had about 75K miles on it and Ford wound't honor the guarantee so they pretended there was nothing wrong with the battery, despite the mileage dropping to 32 mpg from about 42 mpg. They wanted over 8 grand to replace the hybrid battery. We were Ford people prior to Ford screwing us over. At our age, considering how little we drive, we probably won't need to buy another car.

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The plant I worked at was located in Fenton, Missouri and when it closed in 2008 there were literally hundreds of locale businesses (some of them still there) around this plant supplying everything from car seats to rubber trim. They obviously did not make everything we needed but in the days when our plant was running strong, Fenton actually closed a local airport simply to free up more land for these nearby suppliers. That was back when Fenton was making a lot of cars. So a lot of local community effort can and will be spent supplying an auto plant if that is where the money is. It can not happen right away but for those few US plants still in operation, they and their local suppliers will be the ones with the tremendous cost advantage that others will be looking at with great envy.

There is nothing wrong with American car manufacturing that our government has not caused in the first place. You can blame the unions or the management. But no one can put out a quality car if our government does not make sure the playing field is equal.

BTW, Trumps tariffs are all going to be less than the other countries are already screwing the US already.

 

[southernhybrid]

In the end, tariffs may boost investment and production in the US for some industries

And the amount of investment is not likely to be significant since there is huge uncertainty on what the tariff amounts are going to be in even a month or two, let alone in 3-5 years. Why invest in something that requires a tariff to remain profitable when that tariff may be gone or reduced during the operational life of that investment?

Some industries that have not completely outsourced will have an automatic competitive advantage. That competitive advantage will be noticed immediately. For example an auto plant in the US making the same model as a plant in Mexico will immediately increase production to the US. They will work the US at absolute maximum and hire overtime help to keep the line running even during lunch hour.

You don't seem to understand how the NORTH AMERICAN auto industry is set up. Why am I not surprised?

I understand it a lot better than you think since I am retired from a North American auto plant. And I have seen first hand how the Canada plant making the same product as ours was chosen over our plant because their health care was paid by the Canadians. Health care was a huge competitive advantage that made their plant more profitable even though our US plant was far newer and produced much better quality.

Sounds like a reason to have UHC, right?

Yes, I was hoping and expecting UHC from Obama (who I voted for) but it never came. I was "hoping" but his "change" never came to past.

Obama did his best to give us UHC, but the best that could be passed was the ACA, which is a type of UHC. Too many red states refused to include the expanded part of the Medicaid part of the ACA, which simply fucked over those who weren't poor enough for standard M'caid but too poor to afford the ACA.

My husband had an ACA plan for a couple of years prior to being old enough for Medicare, after the company he worked for shut down, and it was far cheaper than other insurance. In fact we couldn't even get insurance that covered any pre existing conditions. Medicare isn't free and based on what I've read about some countries that do give free medical care, I think they need to start charging premiums if they want to avoid failing. Medical care is far more complicated and expensive compared to what is was when these programs started. If premiums were based on income, that might work.

 

[southernhybrid]

So, I assume that you know that there aren't any cars that are totally manufactured in the US and it won't be easy to suddenly make all of the many parts that are imported from other countries. Right? And, I'm not so sure that American cars are better than foreign cars. My Hyundai gets about 40 mpg and it's not even a hybrid. My Ford Fusion hybrid's battery started to die when it had about 75K miles on it and Ford wound't honor the guarantee so they pretended there was nothing wrong with the battery, despite the mileage dropping to 32 mpg from about 42 mpg. They wanted over 8 grand to replace the hybrid battery. We were Ford people prior to Ford screwing us over. At our age, considering how little we drive, we probably won't need to buy another car.

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The plant I worked at was located in Fenton, Missouri and when it closed in 2008 there were literally hundreds of locale businesses (some of them still there) around this plant supplying everything from car seats to rubber trim. They obviously did not make everything we needed but in the days when our plant was running strong, Fenton actually closed a local airport simply to free up more land for these nearby suppliers. That was back when Fenton was making a lot of cars. So a lot of local community effort can and will be spent supplying an auto plant if that is where the money is. It can not happen right away but for those few US plants still in operation, they and their local suppliers will be the ones with the tremendous cost advantage that others will be looking at with great envy.

There is nothing wrong with American car manufacturing that our government has not caused in the first place. You can blame the unions or the management. But no one can put out a quality car if our government does not make sure the playing field is equal.

BTW, Trumps tariffs are all going to be less than the other countries are already screwing the US already.

I'm not so sure about that. The Trump tariffs on some countries are extremely high. I've read the list. They are far higher than what any country charged us, although most of them are now retaliating. Can you blame them? This trade war won't end well, unless it ends soon.

Why did the plant where you worked close down in 2008? I think that's the year I bought a Toyota Avalon that never gave me a single problem for close to 200k miles. Then the push button starter started being unreliable, so I bought the Fusion, mostly because it was a hybrid. I hate those damn push button starters, but they are on every car now. so we no longer have an alternative.

 

[Elixir]

Can you blame them? This trade war won't end well, unless it ends soon.

I don't know which RW propaganda outlet told Vonse that other countries were screwing the US with bigger tariffs than Cheato's, but its a fucking lie. Shit-for-brains wasn't counting on anyone standing up to him.
Presudunce Dumfuk thought they'd all come crawling to kiss his ass, promising sweet trade deals if only...

Nope. They're telling him to go fuck himself, as they should.

 

[RVonse]

I'm not so sure about that. The Trump tariffs on some countries are extremely high. I've read the list. They are far higher than what any country charged us, although most of them are now retaliating. Can you blame them? This trade war won't end well, unless it ends soon.

The other countries have enacted not only tariffs but other trade barriers for so long you think it is normal. It is normal in most European and Asian countries to only see products made from their own countries. But in the US, you have to look hard to find a GM or Ford dealer before all the Toyota, KIA, etc down the street. The US let this go on because they wanted to be globalists neocons. To produce more debt and consume instead of produce. But our debt is too much now and our ability to defend ourselves is even in question. It is irrelevant how big our military has grown if we do not have the ability to manufacture tanks and ships after they are destroyed. China can make ships many times faster than the US now.

The trade war has been going for 50 years it is just until now the US has done nothing but look the other way. The pandemic taught us we can no longer do that any longer.

 

[Politesse]

I'm not so sure about that. The Trump tariffs on some countries are extremely high. I've read the list. They are far higher than what any country charged us, although most of them are now retaliating. Can you blame them? This trade war won't end well, unless it ends soon.

The other countries have enacted not only tariffs but other trade barriers for so long you think it is normal. It is normal in most European and Asian countries to only see products made from their own countries. But in the US, you have to look hard to find a GM or Ford dealer before all the Toyota, KIA, etc down the street. The US let this go on because they wanted to be globalists neocons. To produce more debt and consume instead of produce. But our debt is too much now and our ability to defend ourselves is even in question. It is irrelevant how big our military has grown if we do not have the ability to manufacture tanks and ships after they are destroyed. China can make ships many times faster than the US now.

The trade war has been going for 50 years it is just until now the US has done nothing but look the other way. The pandemic taught us we can no longer do that any longer.

You're deliberately shanking your closest military allies to improve your defensive capabilities?

 

[bilby]

It is normal in most European and Asian countries to only see products made from their own countries. But in the US, you have to look hard to find a GM or Ford dealer before all the Toyota, KIA, etc down the street.

That's horseshit. GM and Ford are huge players in the European and Asian car markets, and would be even bigger if they built more vehicles suited to European and Asian conditions.

 

[KCFlyer]

The plant I worked at was located in Fenton, Missouri and when it closed in 2008 there were literally hundreds of locale businesses (some of them still there) around this plant supplying everything from car seats to rubber trim

But the 'big ticket items' (Engines or transmissions) are often made in Mexico or Canada. The Ford F150 is aluminum. Guess where we get that from. Speaking of aluminum...most Boeing jets are made of aluminum. I wonder if Airbus might be licking their chops at future orders

 

[Axulus]

Foreign businesses would have to be insane to purchase anything from American companies if there are reasonably good non-American substitutes, like Airbus vs. Boeing. Also, what reason do foreign countries have to honor US patents and copyright? Since the trade deal was broken unilaterally, all other countries should immediately revoke recognition of American intellectual property, as part of reparations for this act of war.

China couldn't be happier with this turn of events as it opens up great opportunities for countires to come crawling to them for support and new trade deals. In fact their stock market was only down .25% on the news, barely a blip.



Make America Poor Again
Make China Wealthy Again

The true intentions of this traitor president

And then you have to wonder if these other countries will start to dump US treasuries. If Jay Powell is fired and a political hack is put in place, you will see a massive run on US treasuries and the US dollar. We will become Zimbabwe, which I think is the end goal here.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I saw that it appears Trump enacted 10% tariffs on all nations the US has a trade surplus with.

Trump seems to think that if we buy more from a nation then that nation buys from us that it's a bad thing. He's an idiot. It's just that they have things we want more then we have things they want.

And it doesn't count non-things. A lot of US companies export tech services. That's not going to get counted as an export. Nor is a licensing fee to produce something.

 

[ZiprHead]

It is normal in most European and Asian countries to only see products made from their own countries. But in the US, you have to look hard to find a GM or Ford dealer before all the Toyota, KIA, etc down the street.

That's horseshit. GM and Ford are huge players in the European and Asian car markets, and would be even bigger if they built more vehicles suited to European and Asian conditions.

Vauxhall, Opel. Both owned by GM and sold to the same company that now owns Chrysler. The Opel GT is still fondly remembered and collected here in the US. Ford has a huge market in Europe. It's Transit vans are highly popular. Sometimes Ford has brought it's European cars here. The Mercury Capri was the Ford Capri in Britain. It was considered the British Mustang. The Merkur XR4Ti was the Ford Sierra in Britain.

Ford Of Europe

Just recently some idiot Fox Barbie was wondering why US pickup trucks aren't sold in Europe. They don't fit on European roads.

 

[Axulus]

So while the bodies of 4 American soldiers were returned from Lithuania due to a training accident, and the stock market was crashing, where was Donald Trump?

He was out golfing (or cheating at golf) with the Saudis at his Doral golf club, participating in a LIV golf event. LIV is a wholely Saudi owned golf organization that competes with the PGA Tour, largely an American owned organization. So while Trump was saying "Buy American" for everyone else with his economic sanctions, he goes out and hosts events for foreign companies on his own turf. Fucking traitorous scum.

 

[Tigers!]

Australia Post suspends parcels to USA
This will affect my wife's business. She has had a gratifying high numbers of deliveries to the US in the last couple of years. Both shops and personal sales. Now halted.

Thanks Trump.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

EU as well. The Trump Admin wants tariffs on all parcels. That'll slow things up and cost everyone more money. But we are going to get rich! By paying ourselves more money.