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Charlie Kirk shot at (shot?) in Utah


Except that blacks, women and other minorities have always been arbitrarily excluded. Biden changed that, to his credit. Again, let’s be honest: you know perfectly well that if Biden had not announced he was restricting his search to black women, you still would have complained that Harris, had he picked her, was a “DEI hire.”
We had already had a black president. The notion that blacks were being excluded doesn't hold water.

And the problem with Harris is that discrimination is wrong in either direction. No blacks need apply is of course wrong, but no whites need apply is equally wrong. And we are bashing Biden for pretending that a wrongful act was a good act.
Ot course racism and misogyny played a huge role in her loss.
Assumption without evidence. Look at the election results. She didn't lose because people refused to vote black or refused to vote female. She lost because too many people on the left failed to vote for her. It came down to turnout and the truly massive disinformation campaign that got the MAGA sheep to vote for the wolf.
 

Of course, you have not yet explained what makes her a poor pick. Any white man who had a track record as AG and senator, among other qualifications, would have been hailed as an exemplary pick.
Too far left. A lot of society has come to recognize DEI as de facto discrimination, the Democrats keep doubling down on trying to pull the country left. It doesn't work that way, people rejected her. And by being too far left she put herself in a position where minor issues could be used against her in a big way.
 

Of course, you have not yet explained what makes her a poor pick. Any white man who had a track record as AG and senator, among other qualifications, would have been hailed as an exemplary pick.
Too far left. A lot of society has come to recognize DEI as de facto discrimination, the Democrats keep doubling down on trying to pull the country left. It doesn't work that way, people rejected her. And by being too far left she put herself in a position where minor issues could be used against her in a big way.
Not to mention in her campaign, she was very evasive in giving direct answers to questions. It came across to me, and others, that she either was hiding something, or just didn't have any answers. It was maddening to the public, and even the press got on her case about it.
 

Except that blacks, women and other minorities have always been arbitrarily excluded. Biden changed that, to his credit. Again, let’s be honest: you know perfectly well that if Biden had not announced he was restricting his search to black women, you still would have complained that Harris, had he picked her, was a “DEI hire.”
We had already had a black president. The notion that blacks were being excluded doesn't hold water.
One half black President, racism solved!!
 

Of course, you have not yet explained what makes her a poor pick. Any white man who had a track record as AG and senator, among other qualifications, would have been hailed as an exemplary pick.
Too far left. A lot of society has come to recognize DEI as de facto discrimination, the Democrats keep doubling down on trying to pull the country left. It doesn't work that way, people rejected her. And by being too far left she put herself in a position where minor issues could be used against her in a big way.
Not to mention in her campaign, she was very evasive in giving direct answers to questions. It came across to me, and others, that she either was hiding something, or just didn't have any answers. It was maddening to the public, and even the press got on her case about it.

First, it’s worth noting that politicians are sometimes evasive for normal, understandable reasons that don’t imply dishonesty or incompetence. For example, when asked “How will you do X?” the answer often depends on future compromises, legislative priorities, and available funding. Those questions are less meaningful than questions about values and priorities, which reveal what a politician will actually fight for.

Contrast this with Donald Trump: he rarely avoided answering, but his answers were overwhelmingly false, exaggerated, or outright attacks. That style works in an attention-driven media ecosystem, but it’s not the kind of leadership rational voters should prefer.

Second, Harris’s loss was primarily tied to the economy. As vice president, she was seen as the de facto incumbent and bore responsibility for public dissatisfaction with inflation, interest rates, and economic uncertainty (Pew Research, 2024). Immigration was also a major issue, but much of today’s crisis stems from policies and structural issues dating back to Trump’s administration, broader economic push factors in sending countries, and Trump explicitly instructing his party not to participate in bipartisan immigration legislation during the Biden presidency.

The “culture war” talking points (DEI, “wokeness,” etc.) were secondary—amplified by pundits and influencer wannabes who already opposed liberal positions on those issues and are now using Harris’s loss as an excuse to push their own agendas.

On performance, Harris decisively outmatched Trump in the debates—fact-checkers consistently noted she was far more accurate and composed. But debates have never been Trump’s strength. His power lies in relentless propaganda, a media ecosystem that shields him, and a willingness to bulldoze institutions to his advantage. For many of his supporters, winning a debate doesn’t matter; they’re more captivated by his persona, grievance politics, and cult of personality—right down to the absurd imagery of Trump-as-superman posters.

If you want to analyze this election logically, you have to start with the basic facts: the economy was the decisive issue, Harris won the debates, and Trump’s style thrives not on truth or competence, but on performance and outrage. Simply put: if the standard is “answering questions,” Trump did far worse by any rational measure. Ignoring that reality says more about personal bias than about the candidates themselves.
 

I don't know about huge, but it for sure was a factor. But she lost because she didn't address what most people cared about: the economy.
Except she did. People just didn't pay attention.

I see exactly one thing in there that is actually about the economy: going after the price-fixing in the rental market. Everything else is bread and circuses, or stuff that won't actually help. (Price fixing on any item ends up restricting the supply of said item. Expensive food or bare shelves??)
 
Male/make. Typo. K and L keys are adjacent on my phone and make is a real word so it’s not flagged as a typo so I don’t always catch it. Similar to and and abd, although abd is flagged as a typo.
Adjacent key typos that won't be caught by spell check are a bane for everyone. Likewise, for touch typists inverted order typos that won't be caught by spell check--we are using different fingers so it's easy for one to get slightly ahead of the previous key. My fingers love to turn "in the" into "int he"--"int" doesn't stand out to me because I use it so often in coding. (For you guys who grew up with phones instead of real keyboards: the T, the H and the space are all struck by different fingers doing different motions. At 40 wpm you're hitting a key every 250ms, the propagation delay from brain to finger is around 50ms and your brain must lead everything by enough for the muscle movement.)
I’ve always been a terrible typist.
On a phone everyone is a terrible typist, it mostly comes down to proofreading. And things which are locally consistent are hard to spot.
 
I point this out because some people are inclined to ignore the differences in motivations for the crimes and of the shooters. Some people want to paint only persons of color as being violent while ignoring the fact that white males kill a lot of children.

If you want to focus on the great divide with respect to violent crime, you could point out that most violent crime is committed by males, period. I don’t think that would make you any happier.
Not only that, but violent crime is far more about socioeconomic conditions than skin color. There's more black murder because there are more blacks in the inner city than whites in the messes in the rural southeast.
 
The biggest shame of this whole shooting is if the shooter had just gone to the university and randomly killed half a dozen students it would not even have gotten the attention of most of these Republicans.

Why not just offer our thoughts and prayers to Charlie Kirk’s family and move along?
 
OMG. the horrors. And I thought Texans were supposed to tough. But they are fucking snowflakes.
How does "tough" enter the issue that this young woman committed a misdemeanor assault while police were watching her meltdown?
FFS, hat grabbing should not be assault. The police overreacted to her overreaction.
The attempt to grab a hat is both assault and battery. That being said, likely they were being selective about who they went after.
 
The biggest shame of this whole shooting is if the shooter had just gone to the university and randomly killed half a dozen students it would not even have gotten the attention of most of these Republicans.

Why not just offer our thoughts and prayers to Charlie Kirk’s family and move along?
Because Charlie Kirk wasn't just some random kid, he was a heroic Civil Rights leader on par with Martin Luther King Jr, Maya Angelou, and Vanna White.
 
Kirk wasn’t just another homicide victim, he was targeted and killed from 150 yards away because of his political views.
I don't know how you can be so sure of that.
Is being anti-gay, or anti-trans a political view? Is any view that is held predominantly by members of one party or the other a "political view"?
Seems to be verging into the territory of a personal beef.
Not that that makes it any more excusable to target and kill someone (even poor bigoted Charlie), but giving trumpers the advantage of presuming that the killer was is on the "other side" of a political divide without knowing for sure, is for sure a mistake.
 
Well murdering federal agents and agitating during BLM protests didn’t get them their boogaloo. Maybe this will get them the bump they want.
"Boogaloo" was another made up bullshit that allowed people to pretend that every white #BLM rioter was a false flag rightie, despite the fact that #BLM and Antifa have many white supporters.
There were people using the protests as cover for criminal activity. The BLM crowd was very unhappy with being blamed for the acts of those who followed in their wake. I don't believe it was so much false flag as opportunistic.
 
OMG. the horrors. And I thought Texans were supposed to tough. But they are fucking snowflakes.
How does "tough" enter the issue that this young woman committed a misdemeanor assault while police were watching her meltdown?
FFS, hat grabbing should not be assault. The police overreacted to her overreaction.
The attempt to grab a hat is both assault and battery. That being said, likely they were being selective about who they went after.
It should be neither assault nor battery.
 
You need remedial reading lessons or something... What is meant by that is
WE (AMERICA) WILL BE IN THIS WORSENING SITUATION OF VIOLENCE AND OPPRESSION UNTIL TRUMP IS GONE AND PROBABLY LONG AFTER, but there is absolutely no chance of anything getting better in this Country as long as The Pedophile leads a ruling cult.
He is a Russian puppet and every outcome he ensures, does the will of his master.
Show me wrong.

The tragedy is that you, Emily, will probably be able to evidence your online history to land you a bigtime job in 2029 if The Felon is still alive, while mile will earn me a death sentence. But you're young, I'm not, and I hope you enjoy the spoils.

The tragedy, Elixir, is that you seem unwilling to make the effort to reduce hostility among citizens and avoid increasing the likelihood of a civil war.

As evidenced by the rather assholish content of your post.
The thing is there's basically no difference between reduce hostility against the right and appeasement.
 
The biggest shame of this whole shooting is if the shooter had just gone to the university and randomly killed half a dozen students it would not even have gotten the attention of most of these Republicans.

Why not just offer our thoughts and prayers to Charlie Kirk’s family and move along?
I was kind of wondering if the shooter was using a semi-automatic rifle and also killed, say 10 students who shared Kirk's views, would those loonies who cheered Kirk's death react with even more glee now that there were 10 more of his kind dead?
 
The biggest shame of this whole shooting is if the shooter had just gone to the university and randomly killed half a dozen students it would not even have gotten the attention of most of these Republicans.

Why not just offer our thoughts and prayers to Charlie Kirk’s family and move along?
I was kind of wondering if the shooter was using a semi-automatic rifle and also killed, say 10 students who shared Kirk's views, would those loonies who cheered Kirk's death react with even more glee now that there were 10 more of his kind dead?
Anyone can create a Reddit account. So yes.
 
It should be neither assault nor battery.
Take it up with Texas legislature, not with the cops who witnessed it or the guy whose hat she tried to knock off.
Texas Penal Code said:
PENAL CODE
TITLE 5. OFFENSES AGAINST THE PERSON
CHAPTER 22. ASSAULTIVE OFFENSES

Sec. 22.01. ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:

(1) intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse;
(2) intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person's spouse; or
(3) intentionally or knowingly causes physical contact with another when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.
From here. Her conduct seems to fit (3).
 
Sure, but those are details. The point is that the overall resume is impressive, and no one would suppose her unqualified if she were a he.
Nobody is supposing that she was unqualified. Just that she has a bad judgment, and was unpopular. That would not have changed if she was a he.

I have said before that she looked very good on paper. But she failed in the 2020 presidential race, folding her campaign in December 2019, even though she had a lot of early advantages.
In 2024 she was practically forced down our throats because Biden prevaricated too long, and primaries were not feasible at that late stage. Then she failed again.

So, impressive on paper, much less impressive on tarmac.
 
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