Well... it's Trump... again. #47, here we go.

[TSwizzle]

Newsom is a joke.

Rump is a joke. But not funny.

I don’t live in Texas.

Typical Republican. Only cares about himself.

I see is an authoritarian trying to rig elections.

You must be talking about Rump and the Repugnant party.
Newsom is trying to fight that.

what happens in any other state is not my concern. My concern is with what happens in California.

 

[TSwizzle]

I used to think that the impending Civil War wouldn't follow state lines. After all, there are more people in California who voted for Trump than in any of 47 states! But now I'm not so sure. Will there come a time when a state like California announces that fascist police forces will not be allowed to operate in that state, and enforces the order with deadly force?

Thankfully insufferable prick Newsom is going to save democracy by redrawing district lines to turn California into even more of a one party state.

It will be up to a vote of California residents. So how is that undemocratic?

We already voted to have an independent commission decide the districts. Are we to keep voting until we get it right.

If the people want to keep the independent commission they can vote to keep it. That is democracy in action.

The people didn’t ask for prop 50.

Sure, but they can vote on it. We don’t live in a full direct democracy where all decisions are made by vote. But this one is now. If the people want the old system they can vote to keep it. Democracy in action!

We already voted for an independent commission, we didn’t ask for prop50 to be on the ballot. I see you support fascists when they do stuff you like. No surprise there.

who said I like it? I prefer non-partisan borders. But I get to vote on it so how is it fascism?

You’re defending it.

 

[unapologetic]

and I'm that's why voting against this measure.

But the commission won't do their thing till after the census in 2030. We need the change before the 2028 midterms.
Please consider fighting back against the Undemocratic Party redistrecting of Texas.

 

[Politesse]

I used to think that the impending Civil War wouldn't follow state lines. After all, there are more people in California who voted for Trump than in any of 47 states! But now I'm not so sure. Will there come a time when a state like California announces that fascist police forces will not be allowed to operate in that state, and enforces the order with deadly force?

Thankfully insufferable prick Newsom is going to save democracy by redrawing district lines to turn California into even more of a one party state.

It will be up to a vote of California residents. So how is that undemocratic?

We already voted to have an independent commission decide the districts. Are we to keep voting until we get it right.

If the people want to keep the independent commission they can vote to keep it. That is democracy in action.

The people didn’t ask for prop 50.

Sure, but they can vote on it. We don’t live in a full direct democracy where all decisions are made by vote. But this one is now. If the people want the old system they can vote to keep it. Democracy in action!

We already voted for an independent commission, we didn’t ask for prop50 to be on the ballot. I see you support fascists when they do stuff you like. No surprise there.

Well, no, the ballot initiative in both cases followed the normal democratic procedure. You truly don't understand the difference between voting on proposed legislation, and a fascist administration using informal memos to illegally circumvent the entire legislative process? Because I do, and I care a great deal.

 

[TSwizzle]

I used to think that the impending Civil War wouldn't follow state lines. After all, there are more people in California who voted for Trump than in any of 47 states! But now I'm not so sure. Will there come a time when a state like California announces that fascist police forces will not be allowed to operate in that state, and enforces the order with deadly force?

Thankfully insufferable prick Newsom is going to save democracy by redrawing district lines to turn California into even more of a one party state.

It will be up to a vote of California residents. So how is that undemocratic?

We already voted to have an independent commission decide the districts. Are we to keep voting until we get it right.

If the people want to keep the independent commission they can vote to keep it. That is democracy in action.

The people didn’t ask for prop 50.

Sure, but they can vote on it. We don’t live in a full direct democracy where all decisions are made by vote. But this one is now. If the people want the old system they can vote to keep it. Democracy in action!

We already voted for an independent commission, we didn’t ask for prop50 to be on the ballot. I see you support fascists when they do stuff you like. No surprise there.

Well, no, the ballot initiative in both cases followed the normal democratic procedure. You truly don't understand the difference between voting on proposed legislation, and a fascist administration using informal memos to illegally circumvent the entire legislative process? Because I do, and I care a great deal.

California is effectively a one party state, of course it was all above board

 

[Politesse]

and I'm that's why voting against this measure.

But the commission won't do their thing till after the census in 2030. We need the change before the 2028 midterms.
Please consider fighting back against the Undemocratic Party redistrecting of Texas.

I considered my position for months before deciding what to do. But what the governor is asking for is morally and strategically wrong, and the long term reprecussions of making both parties dependent on retributive redistricting as a critical political strategy will be a disaster. Newsom is trying to portray this as a one-time, emergency measure. But once the commission is disbanded, I am certain it will stay that way. If both parties hold seats that they would immediately lose if a fair districting scheme were ever adopted, no fair districting process will ever again be adopted. Unfortunately, this measure seems very likely to pass with or without my vote.

We should fight back against redistricting in Texas. But that's not what this ballot measure will do. It is supposed to counter-balance Texas, which is not the same thing as opposing Texas. Any more thsn shooting a shooter is fighting gun crime. Texas isn't going to watch the news and be like "oh no California is doing it too, we'd better stop doing it right away so they are the ones with an unfair advantage and not us!" What is needed is a legal challenge to what they've done. And if the third most strongly Democratic state in the nation is doing the exact same thing, the odds of such a case ever seeing a judge diminish greatly.

 

[Politesse]

I used to think that the impending Civil War wouldn't follow state lines. After all, there are more people in California who voted for Trump than in any of 47 states! But now I'm not so sure. Will there come a time when a state like California announces that fascist police forces will not be allowed to operate in that state, and enforces the order with deadly force?

Thankfully insufferable prick Newsom is going to save democracy by redrawing district lines to turn California into even more of a one party state.

It will be up to a vote of California residents. So how is that undemocratic?

We already voted to have an independent commission decide the districts. Are we to keep voting until we get it right.

If the people want to keep the independent commission they can vote to keep it. That is democracy in action.

The people didn’t ask for prop 50.

Sure, but they can vote on it. We don’t live in a full direct democracy where all decisions are made by vote. But this one is now. If the people want the old system they can vote to keep it. Democracy in action!

We already voted for an independent commission, we didn’t ask for prop50 to be on the ballot. I see you support fascists when they do stuff you like. No surprise there.

Well, no, the ballot initiative in both cases followed the normal democratic procedure. You truly don't understand the difference between voting on proposed legislation, and a fascist administration using informal memos to illegally circumvent the entire legislative process? Because I do, and I care a great deal.

California is effectively a one party state, of course it was all above board

Show me any evidence that there was any misconduct, and I'll be much more inclined to hear you out. And no, a "roll eyes smiley" is not evidence. Reasonable evidence is a document, recording, or testimony.

 

[TSwizzle]

I used to think that the impending Civil War wouldn't follow state lines. After all, there are more people in California who voted for Trump than in any of 47 states! But now I'm not so sure. Will there come a time when a state like California announces that fascist police forces will not be allowed to operate in that state, and enforces the order with deadly force?

Thankfully insufferable prick Newsom is going to save democracy by redrawing district lines to turn California into even more of a one party state.

It will be up to a vote of California residents. So how is that undemocratic?

We already voted to have an independent commission decide the districts. Are we to keep voting until we get it right.

If the people want to keep the independent commission they can vote to keep it. That is democracy in action.

The people didn’t ask for prop 50.

Sure, but they can vote on it. We don’t live in a full direct democracy where all decisions are made by vote. But this one is now. If the people want the old system they can vote to keep it. Democracy in action!

We already voted for an independent commission, we didn’t ask for prop50 to be on the ballot. I see you support fascists when they do stuff you like. No surprise there.

Well, no, the ballot initiative in both cases followed the normal democratic procedure. You truly don't understand the difference between voting on proposed legislation, and a fascist administration using informal memos to illegally circumvent the entire legislative process? Because I do, and I care a great deal.

California is effectively a one party state, of course it was all above board

Show me any evidence that there was any misconduct, and I'll be much more inclined to hear you out. And no, a "roll eyes smiley" is not evidence. Reasonable evidence is a document, recording, or testimony.

Not misconduct per se but an abuse of power by Gavin Newsom and democrats in Sacramento.

 

[unapologetic]

what happens in any other state is not my concern. My concern is with what happens in California.

Seriously, Are you so self-centered that you can't see that we are all in this mud slide to dicktatership together?
Rump sent troups into LA just to show power. That should concern you more than me.
We all, even you, are loosing our democracy and freedoms anyway. So why shouldn't Newsom bend rules to get it back.
Or are you just a conerarian, saying shit just to piss us off.

 

[TSwizzle]

what happens in any other state is not my concern. My concern is with what happens in California.

Seriously, Are you so self-centered that you can't see that we are all in this mud slide to dicktatership together?
Rump sent troups into LA just to show power. That should concern you more than me.
We all, even you, are loosing our democracy and freedoms anyway. So why shouldn't Newsom bend rules to get it back.
Or are you just a conerarian, saying shit just to piss us off.

Some odd spelling in this but I can just about make it out.

Erm, no we are not in a mud slide to “dicktatership” (is this spelling intentional? “Dick-tatorship”?)

We need more troups/troops in Los Angeles because the Marxist mayor won’t hold up the law.

What freedoms have I lost exactly? The only time I lost any freedoms was when authoritarian control freaks went power mad in 2020/2021.

 

[unapologetic]

the long term reprecussions of making both parties dependent on retributive redistricting as a critical political strategy will be a disaster.

It is already happening. Several other Repug states are talking it over.
The fight is on. Please don't sit on the sidelines. Remember Rump won in 2016 because too many of us didn't think he could ever win.

 

[TSwizzle]

Remember Rump won in 2016 because too many of us didn't think he could ever win.

Yeah, and he won again in 2024 and the Dems are still looking dumbfounded about why.

 

[unapologetic]

mayor won’t hold up the law.

What law? That is a bible tatic. A Trump tatic. Making assertions without backing them up.

The only time I lost any freedoms was when authoritarian control freaks went power mad in 2020/2021

Again, Jan? What freedoms did you loose?

 

[TSwizzle]

Marxist mayor won’t hold up the law.

What law?

Marxist mayor Bass sides with criminals.

The only time I lost any freedoms was when authoritarian control freaks went power mad in 2020/2021

Again, Jan? What freedoms did you loose?

Near enough all of them.

 

[unapologetic]

Marxist mayor Bass sides with criminals.

By criminals you mean immagrents working Calafornia farms, right?
Rump does not have jurisdiction over that.

Near enough all of them.

Do tell? We'd all love to hear your story.

 

[Politesse]

the long term reprecussions of making both parties dependent on retributive redistricting as a critical political strategy will be a disaster.

It is already happening. Several other Repug states are talking it over.
The fight is on. Please don't sit on the sidelines. Remember Rump won in 2016 because too many of us didn't think he could ever win.

What sidelines? I am standing up for what, in January of this year, was still a core principle of the Democratic party. Just because they recently reversed their position 100% and got some clicks for it on Reddit doesn't make me a traitor if I don't consent follow suit and erase my own previous vote. A state ballot initiative is exactly the time for voters to communicate with their party on what sacrifices we are willing to make, and which we aren't. I am not willing to give up democracy to defend democracy, that's just stupid. Sacrificing too much to gain too little.

 

[TSwizzle]

Marxist mayor Bass sides with criminals.

By criminals you mean immagrents working Calafornia farms, right?
Rump does not have jurisdiction over that.

Marxist Bass is mayor of Los Angeles, a metropolitan city, not many farms in Los Angeles, silly goose.

Near enough all of them.

Do tell? We'd all love to hear your story.

Oh I think you already know.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I used to think that the impending Civil War wouldn't follow state lines. After all, there are more people in California who voted for Trump than in any of 47 states! But now I'm not so sure. Will there come a time when a state like California announces that fascist police forces will not be allowed to operate in that state, and enforces the order with deadly force?

Thankfully insufferable prick Newsom is going to save democracy by redrawing district lines to turn California into even more of a one party state.

It will be up to a vote of California residents. So how is that undemocratic?

We already voted to have an independent commission decide the districts. Are we to keep voting until we get it right.

If the people want to keep the independent commission they can vote to keep it. That is democracy in action.

The people didn’t ask for prop 50.

Sure, but they can vote on it. We don’t live in a full direct democracy where all decisions are made by vote. But this one is now. If the people want the old system they can vote to keep it. Democracy in action!

We already voted for an independent commission, we didn’t ask for prop50 to be on the ballot. I see you support fascists when they do stuff you like. No surprise there.

who said I like it? I prefer non-partisan borders. But I get to vote on it so how is it fascism?

You’re defending it.

That’s the most important part about democracy. I have to defend annd respect the outcomes even if I don’t like it. It’s people like you who seems to only like democracy when it’s in your favor. All I am saying is that unless Newsom broke some law by introducing the proposition then it is part of our democratic process and then we get to vote on it like we should in a democracy. What’s not to get about that??

 

[ZiprHead]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
If Afghanistan doesn't give Bagram Airbase back to those that built it, the United States of America, BAD THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN!!!

 

[Shadowy Man]

We need more troups/troops in Los Angeles because the Marxist mayor won’t hold up the law.

So, even if it is illegal to send troops into LA you are for it because you don’t like the mayor’s actions?